Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

[duetta]

Following this thread has wanting to start drinking much earlier in the evening.

[suicidedeuce]

Can there be one season, even one off-season where we can avoid being the laughing stock of the league? If only our owner didn't view the Knicks as just a cool toy to play with..

No, not so long as the Knick fan base are willing participants to run around like chickens with their heads cut-off based on tweets from reports based on what "sources" think the Knicks will do.

[sinjz]

JR took less money in order to stay and be payed next year; Why? Because he wanted to play here more than anywhere else... Lin looks just the opposite recently!!

And he barely gets any recognition for this loyal and selfless act. SMH

He didn't take less money for loyalty. He took less to get his early bird right next year and a chance to up his market value. At least be honest about this stuff!

[NBA Fan 1234]

Following this thread has wanting to start drinking much earlier in the evening.

Could make a drinking game out of it?

[god shammgod]

true but honestly everybody was calling it that way. the felton trade threw everybody for a loop.

I had said this whole could always go sideways as long as Dolan is calling the shots. And there were a lot of people like that and that's what make this whole thing comical. Was that those people got ridiculed and guess what?

Just like when we were convinced we were getting Lebron and when we were going to trade Chandler and Curry for Melo.

The takeaway is we should not be so convinced that things are going to go our way - reality is always more nuanced.

can't argue with that

[NYMNYKFN10]

@ESPNCindyB

Linsanity in Houston. #Knicks sources tell @stephenasmith the team will NOT match #Rockets offer to Jeremy Lin.

[Greenie]

I love when people bring up Lin's 7 game win streak playing against teams like the Nets, Wizards, Jazz, Minn, Kings, Raps and oh one good team LAL. Sense Lin started playing heavy minutes we only won 6 meaningful games vs teams over 500: LAL, Phi, IND (2), Atl, and Dal, but on that same note we lost 7 games vs teams above 500: Dal, Chi, Mia, SAS, Mil, Phi, and Bos in-which teams like MIa exposed his inability to go left.

Now dont get me wrong I like Lin and I would like him back, but not at that price. He avg. 14.6 ppg, 6.2 apg, 3.2 TO, and 1.6 St. Raymond Felton avgs: 13.4 ppg, 6.7 Apg, 2.6 TO, and 1.4 St. I'll Take Felton any day at the price we're getting him and I;m sorry niether of these are Allstar numbers! Felton found ways to make Stat play to the best of his ability and made both Galo and W. Chandler look good. Lin only made Chandler and Novac look good.

Thank you for bring in stats to prove your statement, first post i can read in a while that has a meaning to it

Ain't it refreshing?

I like Lin I think he will be a decent player in the future how good? I don't Know. However his contract for basketball reasons is stupid. Lin needs to play more for me to be convinced. I swear if he had a nice playoff run I MIGHT change my tune on him. He did not play well against good teams. I need to see more.

[Smoke24]

What is with Knicks fans and hating on players who try and get the most money they possibly can? Why do you have this mentality that, "if they don't take a paycut, then they truly don't care about the Knicks at all"?

Melo didn't take a paycut. Amar'e didn't take a paycut. Tyson didn't take less to play for the Knicks, and both Kidd and Camby, two players who'll be over 40 by year 3 (and because of luxury tax, will cost Dolan $24M combined), would not have come here if all we offered was the vet min. We had to use up exceptions/give up assets to get them here. In fact, Stoudemire and Melo's contracts actually limited our cap room last year, whereas if they had taken a few million less like LeBron, Wade, and Bosh had, we would've had room for another max last summer.

On the other hand, Lin's contract has ZERO impact on our future maneuverability. It's just luxury tax money out of Dolan's pockets. Which is why I don't get why screaming Stephen A. Smith and his legions of lemming followers even give a sh*t. Dolan paid upwards of $120-130M on lottery teams, and yet he doesn't want to match Jeremy Lin? Lin will generate enough revenue to offset the tax hit on his own. Getting fatass Felton is a downgrade, no matter how you try to sugar up his short stint as a Knick.

Nobody has explained how letting Lin go improves our W/L. It's all moralizing about how 'certain players just shouldn't make that much money god dangit.'

Yeah, we're way past that point. even though we'll have a better winning percentage next year. Its all Melo vs Lin...Shame Shame...

[Orange Mamba]

well...... at least we still have Shump

[Never Wrong]

Actually I don't think Lin ever confirmed it. I think he reaction was 'Wow, really, I didn't know that.' D'antoni outright denied it.

Appearing with Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton Thursday morning on WFAN, Lin said he has a good relationship with Anthony and can’t understand the concern about the two of them playing together in the Knick lineup.

“I am confused by that, because the guy vouched for me in the first place,” said Lin, who went on to confirm reports that he got his shot in the Knicks lineup because Anthony, apparently frustrated with having to run the offense, asked Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni to give Lin a chance.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02 ... cks-lineup

This was not Lin's first reaction. In the first interview he was asked straight up if he knew about it and he said no. Him referring to Melo "vouching" for him is more in reference to what he's heard. He has never confirmed whether or not it was true because he doesn't know. He doesn't have firsthand knowledge of it.

[Mr_Perfect]

who said he was "begging" for more money. He has every right to get every dime he wants...Lin is not a dummy he knew what he was doing...good for him getting his, he obviously didn't care about location.

Stupid for me to think he actually liked playing here and happy he got the opportunity to play on this stage with other good players rather then go to sucky Houston.

It's stupid for you to assume it's his fault for getting a contract from Houston when the Knicks never made him an offer of their own. What was he supposed to do? Not sign with anyone accept the minimum from the Knicks?

[ORANGEandBLUE]

no but he is not a dummy to know how his contract would effect the luxary tax....or do u think he was oblivious to that

But it doesn't.... otherwise we would have let Novak walk. I mean... how can you dispute this? If the team is concerned about money, then obviously they'd take the $4m they have to Novak and use it to match Houston's higher offer (which I believe was only $4m higher than the earlier offer that we did plan to match).

[21shumpst]

Tony ‏@TonyNYsays
@206Child @KnicksFanBlog @KnicksJournal "Go test the market for yourself...just don't sign the best deal you can get." Please.
Retweeted by Azaz

This pretty much sums it up. So much fail in this situation, not even funny.

[mpharris36]

Actually I don't think Lin ever confirmed it. I think he reaction was 'Wow, really, I didn't know that.' D'antoni outright denied it.

Appearing with Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton Thursday morning on WFAN, Lin said he has a good relationship with Anthony and can’t understand the concern about the two of them playing together in the Knick lineup.

“I am confused by that, because the guy vouched for me in the first place,” said Lin, who went on to confirm reports that he got his shot in the Knicks lineup because Anthony, apparently frustrated with having to run the offense, asked Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni to give Lin a chance.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02 ... cks-lineup

boom there goes the dynamite....facts

[sinjz]

Actually I don't think Lin ever confirmed it. I think he reaction was 'Wow, really, I didn't know that.' D'antoni outright denied it.

Appearing with Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton Thursday morning on WFAN, Lin said he has a good relationship with Anthony and can’t understand the concern about the two of them playing together in the Knick lineup.

“I am confused by that, because the guy vouched for me in the first place,” said Lin, who went on to confirm reports that he got his shot in the Knicks lineup because Anthony, apparently frustrated with having to run the offense, asked Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni to give Lin a chance.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02 ... cks-lineup

Actual interviews are unacceptable, shame on you.

I swear I saw something, maybe on TMZ, where they brought it up to him and he was surprised. Anybody know what I'm talking about??? I swear I'm not crazy?!?!?!

[Oscirus]

JR took less money in order to stay and be payed next year; Why? Because he wanted to play here more than anywhere else... Lin looks just the opposite recently!!

And he barely gets any recognition for this loyal and selfless act. SMH

He didn't take less money for loyalty. He took less to get his early bird right next year and a chance to up his market value. At least be honest about this stuff!

really? Beacause he couldn't get his bird rights by playing for more money on any other team in the NBA?

[johnnywishbone]

Please God let Ray Felton come into camp in shape and find Jason Kidd a designated driver.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Tony ‏@TonyNYsays
@206Child @KnicksFanBlog @KnicksJournal "Go test the market for yourself...just don't sign the best deal you can get." Please.
Retweeted by Azaz

This pretty much sums it up. So much fail in this situation, not even funny.

Grunwald should be fired yesterday.

[ITALIA17]

who said he was "begging" for more money. He has every right to get every dime he wants...Lin is not a dummy he knew what he was doing...good for him getting his, he obviously didn't care about location.

Stupid for me to think he actually liked playing here and happy he got the opportunity to play on this stage with other good players rather then go to sucky Houston.

It's stupid for you to assume it's his fault for getting a contract from Houston when the Knicks never made him an offer of their own. What was he supposed to do? Not sign with anyone accept the minimum from the Knicks?

Yet everyone else said the Knicks would be morons for even offering anything to LIN since they would be bidding against themselves.

He knew hte knicks wanted him and would pay him. He just screwed himself but getting TOO MUCH money that the knicks wouldnt match. Screwed himself in the sense that if he wanted to stay a knick, he messed up

[21shumpst]

really? Beacause he couldn't get his bird rights by playing for more money on any other team in the NBA?

Yeah, he couldn't. Early Bird Rights are conveyed when you play for same team for two consecutive seasons.