Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 4)

Knicks80_20 · Post #201 » by **Knicks80_20** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

Never Wrong wrote:
taj2133 wrote:in year 3 lin is going to make more money then these players in 2014-2015 AL Horford, rondo, garnett, noah, gallo, hibbert, george hill, deandre jordan, steve knash, mike conely, kevin love, eric gordon, tyson chandler, thadus young, goran dragic, lamarcus aldrige, marcus thornton, tony parker, tim duncan, andrea bargani, nene, and john wall do you guys think he should make more money then these guys in 2014-2015 that is to much for an unproven player.

Who cares how much he makes in any one year? You take the whole contract into account. This isn't the first time a player has signed a deal that's backloaded or frontloaded. How about you tell us how many players earn more than him in the first two years of his contract?

That craps' irrelevant. All I know is that he's getting Tyson money, so f*** him.

Grinditout · Post #202 » by **Grinditout** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

echelonNYK wrote:What's the word?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184[/youtube]

Absolutely nothing.

CoolKids · Post #203 » by **CoolKids** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

[GR] wrote:If the Knicks match, and Lin doesn't play well, who gets the blame:

Woodson
Melo
Dolan
Karma
JR
His best friend is gone

Melo and Dolan mostly. Event hough it should be Dolan and Grunwald.

red32 · Post #204 » by **red32** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

Didn't Lin play against Fatty this year?

GettinitDone wrote:Great article comparing Lin and Felton based on their 11-12 stats

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... s-lin-sane

ISOLATION

Isolation plays are where Lin excels. He scored the third most points per play of the 91 players with at least 75 isolation plays last season, trailing only Chris Paul and James Harden. Felton ranked 68th.

Felton turned the ball over on isolation plays more than twice as often as Lin, who committed just six turnovers on his 93 isolation plays. And only Andrea Bargnani, Chris Bosh and Harden got to the free throw line more often than Lin on isolation plays.

PICK-AND-ROLL

Among the 41 players who were the ball-handler on at least 200 pick-and-roll plays last season, Felton scored the fourth-fewest points per play. Only John Wall, Rajon Rondo and Jamal Crawford were worse. Lin, who ranked 26th, got to the free throw line nearly three times as often as Felton on those plays.

JUMPERS OFF THE DRIBBLE

Despite shooting just 33 percent on catch-and-shoot jumpers last season, Lin shot 48 percent on jumpers off the dribble.

Of the 102 players who attempted at least 90 jumpers off the dribble, only Stephen Curry and Steve Nash shot a higher field goal percentage than Lin. Felton ranked 85th of those 102 players, shooting just 33 percent.

DEFENSE

So if Lin seems to be the better offensive player, for the Knicks to justify this move, they must think Felton is the better defender, right? That may not be the case.

Lin held opponents to fewer points per play and a lower field goal percentage (37.8) last season than Felton (41.6). Of the 235 players to defend at least 300 plays, Lin ranked 78th in fewest points per play, while Felton ranked 133rd.

Why is Lin better off with the Knicks than the Rockets?

Isolation plays are Lin’s bread and butter. He’s among the best in the league. No team had more isolation plays last season than the Knicks. Isolation plays accounted for 17 percent of the Knicks' offense, the highest such percentage in the league.

Synciere · Post #205 » by **Synciere** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

GONYK wrote:
[GR] wrote:If the Knicks match, and Lin doesn't play well, who gets the blame:

Woodson
Melo
Dolan
Karma
JR
His best friend is gone

Isiah

This.

cgmw · Post #206 » by **cgmw** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

Knicks80_20 wrote:
boomann21 wrote:Linsanity vs Utah

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0C9kF_CRsA&feature=plcp[/youtube]

Hey look, something for me to do while I wait on this s***.

Edit* Forget it, the entire commentary's in Chinese. English version please?

I clicked a random spot in the first q, the 5 on the floor were:

1. Lin (gone)
2. Fields (gone)
3. Bill Walker (gone)
4. Jared (gone)
5. Jordan (gone)
Coach: D'antoni (gone)

Never Wrong · Post #207 » by **Never Wrong** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

ITALIA17 wrote:Why cant the Knicks just match the offer and them and LIN rework the deal to fix it up.

What?

Knicks80_20 · Post #208 » by **Knicks80_20** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

GONYK wrote:
[GR] wrote:If the Knicks match, and Lin doesn't play well, who gets the blame:

Woodson
Melo
Dolan
Karma
JR
His best friend is gone

Isiah

Melo

SonOfMars · Post #209 » by **SonOfMars** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:33 am

21shumpst · Post #210 » by **21shumpst** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:33 am

taj2133 wrote:he shouldn't make more money then rondo or al horford in 2014-2015 that lot for a guy who hasn't been in league for long time.

It'll be his 5th year in the NBA.

kakaman · Post #211 » by **kakaman** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:33 am

I dunno why you guys are trippin, he's an average marginal player

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSquLYvCxGM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTkbn9Sprs[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wygjY59TrA[/youtube]

Swammy · Post #212 » by **Swammy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:34 am

BrOnXKing1 wrote:
Swammy wrote:If Lin walks I would hope they workout a sign and trade. Houston has a lot of picks and if we had to give up two 2nds for Camby i think we should get at least 1 first rounder for Lin. Letting him leave is a mistake but letting him leave for nothing is a travesty.

Lin signed already, there is no sign and trade...U can only do that before a player signs.

Ok. Thanks. If that is the case then we should match and trade him down the line. He brings so much in terms of dollars for the team that acquires him. He is an asset and we should not just let him leave. I honestly can't believe they are willing to just let him walk after he showed what he is capable of. If he goes to Houston and really produces we will all be sick. Bottom line in my opinion he is superior to Kidd and Felton.

Kampuchea · Post #213 » by **Kampuchea** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:34 am

Lins contract is worse than Amares, glad he is gone

21shumpst · Post #214 » by **21shumpst** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:35 am

[GR] wrote:If the Knicks match, and Lin doesn't play well, who gets the blame:

Woodson
Melo
Dolan
Karma
JR
His best friend is gone

Lin.

Daaaarryyl · Post #215 » by **Daaaarryyl** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:35 am

GetItDone wrote::lol: @ ESPN Bottomline.

"The Knicks have decided not to match Lin's offer sheet from HOU according to Stephen A. Smith. The Knicks have not made any decision yet."

EchelonNYK · Post #216 » by **EchelonNYK** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:35 am

So it's official?

CoolKids · Post #217 » by **CoolKids** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:35 am

anyone who uses highlight reels to defend a player should be smacked. You can make any player look good. And yes Lin is good but just choosing footage from his best performances doesnt prove that.

SonOfMars · Post #218 » by **SonOfMars** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:35 am

Havent seen DocZaius in a while...did he finally get that suspension?

red32 · Post #219 » by **red32** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:36 am

cgmw wrote:
Knicks80_20 wrote:
boomann21 wrote:Linsanity vs Utah

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0C9kF_CRsA&feature=plcp[/youtube]

Hey look, something for me to do while I wait on this s***.

Edit* Forget it, the entire commentary's in Chinese. English version please?

I clicked a random spot in the first q, the 5 on the floor were:

1. Lin (gone)
2. Fields (gone)
3. Bill Walker (gone)
4. Jared (gone)
5. Jordan (gone)
Coach: D'antoni (gone)

It's a conspiracy!

knickfan212 · Post #220 » by **knickfan212** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:36 am

Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT
Person briefed on Knicks' plans says it's "more likely than not" that they will let Lin go. But “it’s not definitive." http://nyti.ms/MwV3Vs