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Knicks80_20 wrote:boomann21 wrote:Linsanity vs Utah
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0C9kF_CRsA&feature=plcp[/youtube]
Hey look, something for me to do while I wait on this s***.
Edit* Forget it, the entire commentary's in Chinese. English version please?
Grinditout wrote:DE FENSE wrote:echelonNYK wrote:So it's official?
That this board has gone full rtard? Yes.
knickfan212 wrote:Mac1Money wrote:Havent seen DocZaius in a while...did he finally get that suspension?
Doubt it, dude is like herpes, just when you think it's gone, it somehow comes back.
by IllmaticHandler
I just got off the Phone with NAS. He said if you listen closely to the intro he not saying **** Jayz. He knew one day a cat name Joey would play himself on realgm. Ether was meant to be used in the future.
KOA wrote:Under the new CBA, do we have the option of a S&T with the Rockets? Perhaps we can threaten to match and try to get some value in return (i.e. Courtney Lee and a first rounder?)
juxtaposition wrote:Knicks80_20 wrote:boomann21 wrote:Linsanity vs Utah
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0C9kF_CRsA&feature=plcp[/youtube]
Hey look, something for me to do while I wait on this s***.
Edit* Forget it, the entire commentary's in Chinese. English version please?
** cough cough yarrr cough**
youtube.com/watch?v=u-xEs2-zd2E
KOA wrote:Under the new CBA, do we have the option of a S&T with the Rockets? Perhaps we can threaten to match and try to get some value in return (i.e. Courtney Lee and a first rounder?)
Lightning25 wrote:
by the way this is relevant because he was in a Knicks game when he said it.
Knicks80_20 wrote:kakaman wrote:I dunno why you guys are trippin, he's an average marginal player
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSquLYvCxGM[/youtube]
Get that bull**** out of here. We all know that sh** was just luck. Marion was just playing when he let Lin blow past him on every drive. This guy still has a ton to prove. They have no bearing on his potential at all. He's probably a scrub with no quickness, court vision, or shooting ability for all we know.
taj2133 wrote:marc spears just said on nba tv that lin is gone says on marketing stand point its bad for lin to go to houston but from basketball point it better for him to go to houston it will be his team in ny it melo , amare, felton, and kidds team.
Synciere wrote:RHODEY wrote:i'll repeat my sentiments again...I don't understand why, after a contract to be matched has been signed between the Rockets and Lin, they can - at the 11th hour, no less - replace that contract with a new one that is more impervious to being matched by the Knicks. Seems underhanded to me on the part of both the Rockets and Lin. Given that Lin is a Harvard graduate, I'm sure that he is smart enough to understand the disloyal, misleading, calculated aspects of his maneuvering in collaboration with the Rockets.
Do we really want to outlay that much money for a player who apparently doesn't want to be a NYK and who apparently behaved deceptively during the negotiations?
In any sport, if I'm a coach, manager or GM, I'd want players who have enthusiasm for playing for the team I coach or manage in some capacity. I also think that Lin has already undermined his camaraderie with his fellow Knicks. The Knicks are now an older team for the most part, but they have players who want to be Knicks.
I see no reason why Lin who agreed to the original Houston offer and was fully aware that it was in the best interest of the Knicks didn't insist on that original offer being honored. He had cash in hand either way. The original offer *for sure* kept him in NY.
For a guy from Harvard did he really think that the new contract that totally hoses the Knicks payroll going forward would somehow be way better than the love and respect he earned in NY? Did he think he wouldn't make up that money in the first few months of a NY contract?
Lin, no matter what the numbers say, was in NO danger of not making huge endorsement money that render the contract numbers quaint.
Larry Coon in one of his chats addressed how contracts can be changed or reneged on before the actual start of free agency. A poster asked whether the Raptors would pull their offer for Fields after Nash went to LA. There is nothing official before the start of free agency. Anything reported are just agreements, but nothing legal is signed. If both Lin and the Rockets wanted to rework the contract, that is entirely between them.
Where it gets tricky is in future relationships with the agents and front offices of rival teams. The Rockets did nothing illegal by changing the terms of the deal because no contract had been officially signed. The Knicks now definitely have some beef with Lin's agent though it is not his job to make sure the Knicks get the best deal. As long as both parties on the contract agree to rework the deal, it's okay, which is clearly what happened here. The Rockets wanted to make sure it was harder for the Knicks to match, and Lin wanted more money.
We even have seen similar cases with Derek Fisher and the Utah Jazz after his daughter got sick. He needed to move to a market which had the care his daughter needed, so he and the Jazz basically agreed to revoke a signed contract midway through. Usually on party or the other doesn't allow this, but if both parties agree.......
GettinitDone wrote:Knicks80_20 wrote:kakaman wrote:I dunno why you guys are trippin, he's an average marginal player
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSquLYvCxGM[/youtube]
Get that bull**** out of here. We all know that sh** was just luck. Marion was just playing when he let Lin blow past him on every drive. This guy still has a ton to prove. They have no bearing on his potential at all. He's probably a scrub with no quickness, court vision, or shooting ability for all we know.
I agree, Felton is so much better. This is a no brainer for us Knicks fans, Felton also helps Dolan save his money, which is a BIGGG deal for us. Lin averaged 18 and 7 as a starter rookie but because he played in only 25 games, that is not good enough to resign him. Rooks averaging 18 and 7?? Not good enough! We Knick fans expect our rookies to be better than 18 and 7, we have high standard!
Felton pleaseeeeee this guy will make our team so much better
Synciere wrote:stevieg987 wrote:Synciere wrote:
Lin's contract would be in the top 80% if it's signed by the Rockets. If it's signed by the Knicks, that 15 million in one year totally degrades the value of that contract. Sure, it'd be an expiring, but we'd still have to take back 15 million in salary, so the tax hit would be the same.
Jeremy has no ELITE skills. He's not an elite playmaker, passer, defender, shooter, or finisher. He is a good basketball player, but the majority of your comparisons are totally arbitrary. Perkins is an ELITE post defender. Wilson Chandler is a better scorer and defender than Lin, and his contract won't cause his owner to have to pay any additional amount in the dozens of millions. Millsap, Conley, Thorton, Gortat, Varejao and Afflalo are all better basketball players at this stage. You stated they do not have Conley and Millsap do not have Lin's upside. Whaaaa? I say Conley for sure has just as high an upside as Lin. He is better in almost all departments except for hype. And again, his contract contains no poison pill.
You can say that keeping Lin makes us better. You can say the Knicks' organization and Cablevision will be more valuable with Lin on board. Hell, you can even say Lin is better than Felton or Kidd or Priogini (sp?). What you can't say is that bringing Lin backs guarantees the Knicks advance in the playoffs. You can't say Lin guarantees us 10 more wins next year. And if not matching him allows us to still sign and trade or gives us additional flexibility, you can't say yet if that is in the best interest of the Knicks. Again I have to ask: Does bringing Lin back SUBSTANTIALLY improve this team as currently constructed? That means you have to include alternate solutions at his position, fit with current personnel, and ability to improve.
I think the answer to that question is clearly that he doesn't improve us much at all now. He may down the line, but by then will Dolan be paying out his a**. If the tax had no impact, why is Fields not a Knickerbocker any longer?
Once again, you're creating a separate argument. I posted the list in reference to posters/players/experts who claim Lin is undeserving of the money (which any way you slice it is 25 over three years).
You say they're all better basketball players at this stage-- I'd disagree (it's uncertain). Lin over the course of 25 games played at an All-Star level, a level none of the players referenced have reached (Millsap, maybe). We don't know what we're getting with Lin. That's why we're having this debate. And, even then, the entire debate is premature because we're arguing about something so inexact and unquantifiable: Lin's ability. All of those players are what they are: solid to good NBA players. None of them will ever be a top option on a contender, none of them will ever be perennial All-Stars. Jeremy's a mystery. We don't know if he's a fluke or not. But we know he "could" be the real deal.
Because one thing is for sure: Lin showed he had the ability to, as the focus of the opposing teams entire defense, create his own shot and score at an efficient clip. Any perimeter player that can do that, especially during their first run of games, has the potential to be dynamic and game-changing talent (you need those talents to win a title). That's the trait every star backcourt player has. That's what seperates the good from the great. The role players from the stars. A playoff win from a playoff loss (you can get away with it in the regular season). And you simply can't let that go. Especially a team as top heavy talent starved and cap restrained as the Knicks.
Bottom line: Bringing back Lin may not guarantee we "advance" in the playoffs, but we all know, if we don't, we're guaranteed not to.
I disagree it's a separate argument. The amount paid to the player is the same, sure. The amount paid by the team can vary, and vary drastically; that is the point of restricted free agency: to structure a deal in such a way that it hurts the original team. Either way Hibbert is signing a max deal, but Portland front loaded the deal in such a way that he would have received a large signing bonus in that first year. That was specifically designed to hurt Indiana.
There have been THOUSANDS of players who played like All Stars over 25 games. Lowry had All Star numbers and buzz last year, in a tougher conference for guards. Lin's ability is in fact quantifiable. Look at his numbers during that streak. 18/7 with 4 turnovers a games. Look at his numbers once Melo and Amare were full strength. A player's ability is quantifiable. You can use circumstances to decide if said player is better than the numbers, but the numbers can't be ignored, especially considering the circumstances in which he excelled are not likely to return. We certainly have to hope both Amare and Melo don't go down over an extended period of time.
Lin showed the ability to score and create at an efficient clip is a loaded statement on your part. Look at his minutes per game during that stretch. Look at his turnovers. Look at the competition. That last statement is key. Against the one team we will HAVE to beat, Lin looked his worst. Look, I like Lin, and hope we get him back, because I don't think he'd make us worse. I think he'd make us better, but I can understand why our owner would say, he doesn't make us better enough to justify what I'm going to have to pay to keep him in 2015 as opposed to letting him go now. If we don't have Lin, that does NOT mean we are not guaranteed to advance in the playoffs. You may believe that, but it is in no way true, or as you would put it, quantifiable. I hope if we match that you are right, that he has dynamic and game-changing potential. I also hope he dribbles past Mario Chalmers without bouncing the ball off his foot. As a guard, in order to have that dynamic you were referring to, you have to be able to play off of other great players, and you have to have elite handle.He doesn't yet.
AllanHoustonFan wrote:I'm not believing any of this until incarcerated bob confirms it.
by IllmaticHandler
I just got off the Phone with NAS. He said if you listen closely to the intro he not saying **** Jayz. He knew one day a cat name Joey would play himself on realgm. Ether was meant to be used in the future.
Jstarks3 wrote:i think we'll match, but i cannot believe steven a. is legit saying, its a done deal, its over. thats really kinda wavering me.
