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Post#801 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:58 am

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the Knicks organization (aka Dolan) has engaged in a “low-life, low-rent” campaign designed to portray Lin as a greedy ingrate who didn’t appreciate the opportunity the organization gave him.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z21941TY98


The article doesn't actually contribute any new information. It is merely putting together what some of the media is realizing to be the reality of what happened. What the article does infer without naming names (other than an indirect reference to SAS) is the assertion that some of the media is in bed with the Knicks.

One thing is for sure. While some media hacks will go about their business of running down Lin's character, Lin will continue to turn the other cheek. It is interesting how the jackals don't seem to note how Lin doesn't take their bait. One of the worst things for trolls is people who don't play their game and Lin isn't biting.
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Post#802 » by CLIN » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:27 am

You guys went from making every single fan from another team a little envious of you, to most likely just another 2nd grade iso-motion team. Atleast you got to root for lin when he was crazy good. Maybe he'll never be that good again, but shame it went from maybe to 0% forget about him.

I'll say it for you, *uck whoever made that decision. I refuse to believe dolan is so stupid as to make that choice alone. There must be some underlying reason but who knows. You all really shouldn't beat yourselves up over the reasons tho. Cuz it happened, and anybody who pretends like they know why is talking out of their ass. Take it in stride, you guys should be better than anyone at this by now. Other than maybe warriors fans.

we should all really pity warriors fans.
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Post#803 » by Ginger Bean » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:36 am

The smear campaign is the most disgusting part. They don't want to answer for their decision so they make it Lin's fault. The 85% stuff is despicable.

Dolan is either a lowlife -- or a total mark, like you said.

I hate to be an Isiah conspiracist, but it still smells like him at MSG.
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CLIN wrote:You guys went from making every single fan from another team a little envious of you, to most likely just another 2nd grade iso-motion team. Atleast you got to root for lin when he was crazy good. Maybe he'll never be that good again, but shame it went from maybe to 0% forget about him.

I'll say it for you, *uck whoever made that decision. I refuse to believe dolan is so stupid as to make that choice alone. There must be some underlying reason but who knows. You all really shouldn't beat yourselves up over the reasons tho. Cuz it happened, and anybody who pretends like they know why is talking out of their ass. Take it in stride, you guys should be better than anyone at this by now. Other than maybe warriors fans.

we should all really pity warriors fans.


Listen to some of the more intelligent posters here. Dolan is stupid. But there are degrees of stupidity and then there are reasons other than basketball which is what people who drank the kool-aid for years thinking this is about basketball are waking up to now. So if many now have come to grips with the fact Dolan's priorities is not really basketball quality, then they can decide what kind of stupidity it is. From the point of view of a reptilian businessman he may be considered smart for making money while crapping on the fan's heads.
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Post#805 » by Mr_Perfect » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:07 am

A former employer of Dolan's in a deposition from 2002 (taken from an article on Dolan from New York Magazine in 2005):

From the statements in the deposition—if true, and given Jim’s subsequent recovery—it is possible to view the search order as the act of a concerned father. But Astarita’s deposition also paints a grim picture of life as a Jim Dolan subordinate. “He can treat people like ****,” Astarita testified, under questioning from a Cablevision attorney. “All of us, every single one of us, and he gets away with it. And why he gets away with it is because he paid us all a lot of money and we all made a great deal of money at Cablevision . . . All I can think of is him yelling and screaming all the time, all the time not listening to people’s opinions, not letting the facts get in the way of his opinions.”


This is probably exactly how he is. People just take his **** because he pays them a lot of money. I bet he verbally abuses Grunwald in meetings too.
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Post#806 » by Retired_Doc » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:20 am

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Ginger Bean wrote:That 6-part story on Lin makes Dolan seem crazier than a bag of hammers.


What does it say in a nutshell? I'm already media saturated.


I read the entire thing.

Essentially, it indicates that the Knicks really didn't want Lin. It sure tends to implicate both Melo and JR as contributing culprits also. So if you add up Dolan, Melo/JR. serious lux tax, and maybe even Isiah(?), then you have the recipe for letting Lin walk. Also, a hint of racism was mentioned, though not stressed. But certainly mentioned.

I thought it was a very well-written and very informative article. And of course very depressing, because it reminds me again how we gave up a hugely valuable asset for nothing!
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Post#807 » by Mr_Perfect » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:27 am

Five part article on Dolan (who was already being dissed in 2005):

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/11545/

It's sad that he actually got even worse in the subsequent years. The man in a complete tool. He's only 56. We still have another 20 years of him at the least.
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Post#808 » by Rasho Brezec » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:52 am

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Less consistent Steve Novak who can drive to the basket occasionally. I really don't see how he's an NBA player.
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Post#809 » by AVolumeScorer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:16 am

Mr_Perfect wrote:Five part article on Dolan (who was already being dissed in 2005):

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/11545/

It's sad that he actually got even worse in the subsequent years. The man in a complete tool. He's only 56. We still have another 20 years of him at the least.

"This isn't a big deal, stop bitching!#TeamStat #TeamMelo #TeamSwish #Knickstape I bleed Orange and Blue!"

There's a difference between love and blind love, and some people can't see the line. You can probably find an article saying that James Dolan molested Jeremy Lin, and people would still find a way to support this idiot.
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Post#810 » by Mr_Perfect » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:21 am

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Mr_Perfect wrote:Five part article on Dolan (who was already being dissed in 2005):

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/11545/

It's sad that he actually got even worse in the subsequent years. The man in a complete tool. He's only 56. We still have another 20 years of him at the least.

"This isn't a big deal, stop bitching!#TeamStat #TeamMelo #TeamSwish #Knickstape I bleed Orange and Blue!"

There's a difference between love and blind love, and some people can't see the line. You can probably find an article saying that James Dolan molested Jeremy Lin, and people would still find a way to support this idiot.


It's sad at this point. Many new school fans (I'm talking teenagers) have not experienced Dolan's reign of terror for too long or are ignorant on who he is and what he's done.
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Post#811 » by AVolumeScorer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:27 am

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Mr_Perfect wrote:Five part article on Dolan (who was already being dissed in 2005):

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/11545/

It's sad that he actually got even worse in the subsequent years. The man in a complete tool. He's only 56. We still have another 20 years of him at the least.

"This isn't a big deal, stop bitching!#TeamStat #TeamMelo #TeamSwish #Knickstape I bleed Orange and Blue!"

There's a difference between love and blind love, and some people can't see the line. You can probably find an article saying that James Dolan molested Jeremy Lin, and people would still find a way to support this idiot.


It's sad at this point. Many new school fans (I'm talking teenagers) have not experienced Dolan's reign of terror for too long or are ignorant on who he is and what he's done.

I brought up earlier how I'm 16, and I've been at least around for Dolan's reign of terror. One of my biggest regrets is that I wasn't born in at least 1994 to see that run to the finals, it's pathetic how the stereotype is that only old men hate Dolan. How many times do I have to post this article before people get in their heads that this wasn't about money?

http://dimemag.com/2012/07/all-25-playe ... emy-lin/2/

All, obviously, under the Dolan ownership. As you brought up earlier, this franchise has lost the most games in the NBA since he took over as an owner. Excluding the year right after he took over, we've won 3 playoff games and never advanced past the first round. We've given out idiotic contracts over and over again, and yet now with a young star with tons of potential, upside, marketing value, and already showing talent, it's just not good enough for him. But of course, it was for "basketball reasons" why he didn't get resigned
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Post#812 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:30 am

Mr_Perfect wrote:A former employer of Dolan's in a deposition from 2002 (taken from an article on Dolan from New York Magazine in 2005):

From the statements in the deposition—if true, and given Jim’s subsequent recovery—it is possible to view the search order as the act of a concerned father. But Astarita’s deposition also paints a grim picture of life as a Jim Dolan subordinate. “He can treat people like ****,” Astarita testified, under questioning from a Cablevision attorney. “All of us, every single one of us, and he gets away with it. And why he gets away with it is because he paid us all a lot of money and we all made a great deal of money at Cablevision . . . All I can think of is him yelling and screaming all the time, all the time not listening to people’s opinions, not letting the facts get in the way of his opinions.”


This is probably exactly how he is. People just take his **** because he pays them a lot of money. I bet he verbally abuses Grunwald in meetings too.


Well, the Knicks may now have wanted Lin and just as possible is Lin didn't want the Knicks after all is said and done, though I believe he was able to deal with the media attention and willing to come back where the fans gave him such a good coming out party. But when the free agency process unfolded, Lin not only saw the writing on the wall, but likely had the normal human response after deducing the Knicks were blowing smoke up his ass and didn't want him.

In my Realism thread I discussed how Lin didn't really have the leverage to dictate to Houston what their offer would be in terms of its ability to deter a Knick's match, but by the time the contract was offered there is plenty of reason to deduce Lin at that point may have been perfectly satisfied with going to Houston instead and seeing them make it a poison pill the Knicks wouldn't match.

Why I'm saying this in response to this portrait of Dolan is it really is hitting me more and more how much Dolan is an infantile control freak and how at root his ego maybe couldn't handle Lin's fame. Linsanity as a cultural phenomenom was bigger than the Knicks as an institution and overshadowed the organization. Dolan in his dirty little heart probably feared an inability to manipulate a player whose popularity was truly unique in the history of the sport.

That is ironic in light of the value that popularity would continue to bring to the Knicks, but we've all seen that Dolan is not a rational man and he is deeply threatened by anything he can't make his bitch. Lin is really a different breed of person than many ballplayers and not really wired to be a Dolan puppet.

And if Melo really was threatened by Lin's popularity, it just adds more ego dysfunction and jealousy mitigating against Lin's return.

Dolan is a thoroughly distasteful human being. Lin's basic decency really has no place in his world.
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Post#813 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:35 am

AVolumeScorer wrote:I brought up earlier how I'm 16, and I've been at least around for Dolan's reign of terror. One of my biggest regrets is that I wasn't born in at least 1994 to see that run to the finals, it's pathetic how the stereotype is that only old men hate Dolan. How many times do I have to post this article before people get in their heads that this wasn't about money?

http://dimemag.com/2012/07/all-25-playe ... emy-lin/2/

All, obviously, under the Dolan ownership. As you brought up earlier, this franchise has lost the most games in the NBA since he took over as an owner. Excluding the year right after he took over, we've won 3 playoff games and never advanced past the first round. We've given out idiotic contracts over and over again, and yet now with a young star with tons of potential, upside, marketing value, and already showing talent, it's just not good enough for him. But of course, it was for "basketball reasons" why he didn't get resigned


I didn't think you were 16. You're a smart kid. Definitely more with it than most teens who would be posting here.
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Post#814 » by AVolumeScorer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:40 am

I really don't believe that Carmelo ever felt threatened by Lin.

Could he have been mad when it became "Can Carmelo play with Lin" and not "Can Lin play with Carmelo"?Sure, I would've been too.

But there's a very good chance that Carmelo will always be a better player than Lin, he's signed to one of the biggest shoe brands in the country, he's usually a consensus top 10-12 player in the league, and if he really believed that Jeremy Lin would take that all away from him than he's an idiot. I doubt Carmelo ever thought "Boy, that Lin guy is going to take over this team and become the face of the franchise. I don't want to have to try to fight with him, I better talk to Woody, Dolan, and JR about this". I doubt they'll ever be a point in time besides maybe in 8-10 years or so when Lin put's up a better season than Carmelo. There's also no way that in a huddle with 10 seconds left in the game and the Knick's are down by one, Woodson would've ever said "alright Jeremy I'm gonna run an Iso for you" unless Carmelo was injured. He was always going to be the best player on this team, he was always going to be the leader on this team[although it's questionable now between him and Chandler], and I doubt anyone in the locker room would disagree with that.

Sure, Lin was more popular and more covered for a period of time, but as soon as Carmelo returned the pressure was all on him again to be the #1 option and carry this team. I just can't see Carmelo ever feeling jealous of Lin. Not to mention, Carmelo is practically every NBA Stars buddy[him and LeBron look like bff]. Knowing his background and how/where he grew up, he doesn't strike me as that kind of person.
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Post#815 » by Ginger Bean » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:42 am

Clyde_Style wrote:That is ironic in light of the value that popularity would continue to bring to the Knicks, but we've all seen that Dolan is not a rational man and he is deeply threatened by anything he can't make his bitch. Lin is really a different breed of person than many ballplayers and not really wired to be a Dolan puppet.


Dolan never has to pay for any of his mistakes -- people still buy tickets, even when the price keeps increasing!

He knows it doesn't matter what he does, or whether this team ever wins anything at all.
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Post#816 » by AVolumeScorer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:46 am

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AVolumeScorer wrote:I brought up earlier how I'm 16, and I've been at least around for Dolan's reign of terror. One of my biggest regrets is that I wasn't born in at least 1994 to see that run to the finals, it's pathetic how the stereotype is that only old men hate Dolan. How many times do I have to post this article before people get in their heads that this wasn't about money?

http://dimemag.com/2012/07/all-25-playe ... emy-lin/2/

All, obviously, under the Dolan ownership. As you brought up earlier, this franchise has lost the most games in the NBA since he took over as an owner. Excluding the year right after he took over, we've won 3 playoff games and never advanced past the first round. We've given out idiotic contracts over and over again, and yet now with a young star with tons of potential, upside, marketing value, and already showing talent, it's just not good enough for him. But of course, it was for "basketball reasons" why he didn't get resigned


I didn't think you were 16. You're a smart kid. Definitely more with it than most teens who would be posting here.

I don't understand how people can't just see logic, 16 or 60. For example, in your Lin FA thread, it was shocking how people tried to argue facts. It's like talking to a brick wall, I don't know what it will take until everyone realizes how bad this franchise is run.

People seem to think that people are only upset with the Lin decision, not true at all.
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Post#817 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:00 am

AVolumeScorer wrote:I really don't believe that Carmelo ever felt threatened by Lin.

Could he have been mad when it became "Can Carmelo play with Lin" and not "Can Lin play with Carmelo"?Sure, I would've been too.

But there's a very good chance that Carmelo will always be a better player than Lin, he's signed to one of the biggest shoe brands in the country, he's usually a consensus top 10-12 player in the league, and if he really believed that Jeremy Lin would take that all away from him than he's an idiot. I doubt Carmelo ever thought "Boy, that Lin guy is going to take over this team and become the face of the franchise. I don't want to have to try to fight with him, I better talk to Woody, Dolan, and JR about this". I doubt they'll ever be a point in time besides maybe in 8-10 years or so when Lin put's up a better season than Carmelo. There's also no way that in a huddle with 10 seconds left in the game and the Knick's are down by one, Woodson would've ever said "alright Jeremy I'm gonna run an Iso for you" unless Carmelo was injured. He was always going to be the best player on this team, he was always going to be the leader on this team[although it's questionable now between him and Chandler], and I doubt anyone in the locker room would disagree with that.

Sure, Lin was more popular and more covered for a period of time, but as soon as Carmelo returned the pressure was all on him again to be the #1 option and carry this team. I just can't see Carmelo ever feeling jealous of Lin. Not to mention, Carmelo is practically every NBA Stars buddy[him and LeBron look like bff]. Knowing his background and how/where he grew up, he doesn't strike me as that kind of person.


That's why I only said "IF" because I can't invest energy in asserting Melo is jealous of Lin. I think Melo is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but it goes against reason to think he doesn't want the best possible PG on his team. And another reason I wouldn't get too sold on Melo wanting Lin gone is Lin himself.

Despite the hoopla that went on around him, Lin didn't act all uppity and presumptuous about his place in the world. All I saw was a guy committed to winning, a good teammate and someone who handled his rise to fame very graciously. Because of that, if Melo actually did bear a grudge out of jealousy then he would truly be a very small person.

I'd prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt and not push an angle that can only be said to be gossip. We may learn more one day, but until then I won't be pushing any such sentiment. Dolan is whom I hold accountable for clear and documented reasons.
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Post#818 » by Ginger Bean » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:06 am

I don't think he was jealous of Lin as a player. But he must have been irritated when people were saying, "Can Melo fit in with Lin?" and then when they started losing after he came back, people blamed him.

I mean, the dude has a giant painting of his face in his own living room.
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Post#819 » by AVolumeScorer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:11 am

Just like you said, him not wanting the best possible PG on this team is another reason why I don't believe it unless somehow he thinks that Felton can do better for this team/produce better.

I don't know if you saw the USA vs GB exhibition game yesterday, but when Carmelo was on the floor with Chris Paul, he was getting so many open looks and draining shot's left in right. He was moving very well without the ball, getting open, and imo the best PG in the league always found him open. Do I think Lin is Chris Paul?No I don't, but I think he sees the floor and is a better floor general than Felton is.

The only other reason I can see why Dolan let Lin go is if somehow in his mind, he think's he'll have enough cap room or assets to get Chris Paul in 2013, and we all know that dream is long gone.
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Post#820 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:13 am

Ginger Bean wrote:I don't think he was jealous of Lin as a player. But he must have been irritated when people were saying, "Can Melo fit in with Lin?" and then when they started losing after he came back, people blamed him.

I mean, the dude has a giant painting of his face in his own living room.


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