Trade Rumors Thread - Brewers Open for Business (30)

[xTitan]

was watching MLB channel of and on for two hours, Corey's name was never mentioned once...think this was made up.

[MetroDrugUnit]

was watching MLB channel of and on for two hours, Corey's name was never mentioned once...think this was made up.

I've been following Twitter all afternoon and nothing mentioned at all for the Brewers by anyone

[Kerb Hohl]

Yeah, I'd want something in the Bauer/Skaggs category if this was a real rumor. Guys like Collmenter/Corbin are future #4s at best. And I realize that that isn't very realistic on the other end, either.

[DH34Phan]

Casey McGehee to the Yankees. It would be neat to see him do some damage for them and maybe get a ring.

[coolhandluke121]

Kind of wish they would have traded A-Ram when they probably had the chance. That contract could be looking ugly as he ages, and the Brewers have so many right-handed power hitters as it is. His trade value will only go down as he continues to age and his salary escalates, but I think he would have had real value to a contender.

[El Duderino]

Depending on how the offseason goes on having to completely redo the pitching staff, i could see Ramirez being being traded before the season starts.

A lot of what happens in the offseason could ride on what exactly Attanasio wants done. Is he willing to go into the season next year with a much younger and cheaper roster, or is he going to want and have Melvin try and build a team with another 90-100 million dollar payroll which he feels gives the Brewers a better chance to both compete next year and keep the ballpark full to mostly full?

[skones]

Depending on how the offseason goes on having to completely redo the pitching staff, i could see Ramirez being being traded before the season starts.

A lot of what happens in the offseason could ride on what exactly Attanasio wants done. Is he willing to go into the season next year with a much younger and cheaper roster, or is he going to want and have Melvin try and build a team with another 90-100 million dollar payroll which he feels gives the Brewers a better chance to both compete next year and keep the ballpark full to mostly full?

With a solid bullpen, this team isn't very far off. I'd rather hang onto Ramirez and take a crack at it next season.

[mlloyd10]

Depending on how the offseason goes on having to completely redo the pitching staff, i could see Ramirez being being traded before the season starts.

A lot of what happens in the offseason could ride on what exactly Attanasio wants done. Is he willing to go into the season next year with a much younger and cheaper roster, or is he going to want and have Melvin try and build a team with another 90-100 million dollar payroll which he feels gives the Brewers a better chance to both compete next year and keep the ballpark full to mostly full?

Next Year Team Salary

Position Players Under Contract Next Year
Aoki - 1.25
Braun - 9.61
Hart - 10.33
LuCroy - .85
Ramirez - 10.0
Weeks - 11.0

Pitchers
Gallardo - 8.0

Arbitration Eligible
Axford
Estrada
Gomez
Loe
Morgan
Narveson
Parra
Veras

2013 guarantee Contracts - $51.04

You have to think that they will bring back Axford, Estrada, Gomez and Narveson - Estimate 7.0 total

So we got around $58 mil invested in 11 guys...Dont think we are going cheap next year

[El Duderino]

It's not just the bullpen on the pitching staff which needs an overhaul.

Assuming Marcum isn't back, Gallardo and Fiers are the only locks for the rotation. Estrada has become a much better pitcher than pretty much anyone could have expected from a veteran waiver wire pickup, but he hasn't thrown more than 139 innings in his professional career. Narveson needed rotator cuff surgery, that can severely damage or end a pitchers career and he already was just a 5th starter type.

It's usually quite a bit easier for a GM to patch together a solid bullpen during an offseason via a variety of different avenues than it is to fill 2-3 rotation spots with guys who can pitch well enough and stay healthy enough to keep a team in legit playoff contention. We literally could have 8 new pitchers on the staff next season compared to who is currently on the staff.

[mlloyd10]

It's not just the bullpen on the pitching staff which needs an overhaul.

Assuming Marcum isn't back, Gallardo and Fiers are the only locks for the rotation. Estrada has become a much better pitcher than pretty much anyone could have expected from a veteran waiver wire pickup, but he hasn't thrown more than 139 innings in his professional career. Narveson needed rotator cuff surgery, that can severely damage or end a pitchers career and he already was just a 5th starter type.

It's usually quite a bit easier for a GM to patch together a solid bullpen during an offseason via a variety of different avenues than it is to fill 2-3 rotation spots with guys who can pitch well enough and stay healthy enough to keep a team in legit playoff contention. We literally could have 8 new pitchers on the staff next season compared to who is currently on the staff.

If we go young in the starting rotation - Save Money - Invest in Bullpen
Yo, Fiers, Estrada, Thornburg, Rogers

If we go after a vet or two - Go after Brandon McCarthy and/or Marcum - 7-8 Mil per
Yo, Marcum, McCarthy, Estrada, Thornburg/Rogers

Then Batch together the bullpen

[El Duderino]

Depending on how the offseason goes on having to completely redo the pitching staff, i could see Ramirez being being traded before the season starts.

A lot of what happens in the offseason could ride on what exactly Attanasio wants done. Is he willing to go into the season next year with a much younger and cheaper roster, or is he going to want and have Melvin try and build a team with another 90-100 million dollar payroll which he feels gives the Brewers a better chance to both compete next year and keep the ballpark full to mostly full?

So we got around $58 mil invested in 11 guys...Dont think we are going cheap next year

While that dollar amount could lessen through a trade or two, what i said was younger and cheaper next year, not really cheap. There is a difference between having say a 70 million dollar payroll and 100 million again.

That said, in watching how Attanasio runs the team over the years, especially the last 3-4 years, i certainly would put the odds on the side of him being for Melvin making moves that end up keeping the payroll in that 90-100 range.

Either way, i'm curious to see how it ends up shaking out because we could see half of the current roster not returning, not just a few tweaks. That should make it a very interesting offseason with so much roster turnover.

[El Duderino]

It's not just the bullpen on the pitching staff which needs an overhaul.

Assuming Marcum isn't back, Gallardo and Fiers are the only locks for the rotation. Estrada has become a much better pitcher than pretty much anyone could have expected from a veteran waiver wire pickup, but he hasn't thrown more than 139 innings in his professional career. Narveson needed rotator cuff surgery, that can severely damage or end a pitchers career and he already was just a 5th starter type.

It's usually quite a bit easier for a GM to patch together a solid bullpen during an offseason via a variety of different avenues than it is to fill 2-3 rotation spots with guys who can pitch well enough and stay healthy enough to keep a team in legit playoff contention. We literally could have 8 new pitchers on the staff next season compared to who is currently on the staff.

If we go young in the starting rotation - Save Money - Invest in Bullpen
Yo, Fiers, Estrada, Thornburg, Rogers

If we go after a vet or two - Go after Brandon McCarthy and/or Marcum - 7-8 Mil per
Yo, Marcum, McCarthy, Estrada, Thornburg/Rogers

Then Batch together the bullpen

I like the idea of youth in the rotation, but Estrada has never thrown more than a 139 innings.

Thornburg not only doesn't look quite ready yet to be really productive in a major league rotation, he also hasn't broken 140 innings yet.

Rogers injury past is vast and 116 innings is his career high. Plus, he still walks way to many batters.

If there is a young pitcher that could be a surprise and big help next year in the rotation, to me it would be Peralta. No question his overall stats this year have been a disappointment, but he does have pretty good stuff and the frame to likely throw a good amount of innings. He clearly needs to cut down on the walk numbers though to survive as a starter in the bigs.

As for Marcum, no way i'd give him more than a one year deal, but another team might offer 2-3 depending on how his health shakes out.

[Kerb Hohl]

No thanks on Brandon McCarthy. He's going to suck in a stadium other than Oakland. He has a 4.00 ERA outside of Oakland, not to mention that Beane had focused on defense the past few years leading up to this one.

He's not an awful pitcher, but he's not going to be anything special in any sort of hitter's park.

He's going to get overpaid.

[skones]

No thanks on Brandon McCarthy. He's going to suck in a stadium other than Oakland. He has a 4.00 ERA outside of Oakland, not to mention that Beane had focused on defense the past few years leading up to this one.

He's not an awful pitcher, but he's not going to be anything special in any sort of hitter's park.

He's going to get overpaid.

To get a guy that keeps the ball in the park that'll post an era somewhere between 3.50 and 4.20 would do a lot of good for our rotation.

[LUKE23]

I hope we completely ignore FA for pitching. Unless it's a guy like Greinke, it's not worth it, and our past shows that.

Young pitching will need to get it done next year.

[Kerb Hohl]

No thanks on Brandon McCarthy. He's going to suck in a stadium other than Oakland. He has a 4.00 ERA outside of Oakland, not to mention that Beane had focused on defense the past few years leading up to this one.

He's not an awful pitcher, but he's not going to be anything special in any sort of hitter's park.

He's going to get overpaid.

To get a guy that keeps the ball in the park that'll post an era somewhere between 3.50 and 4.20 would do a lot of good for our rotation.

Not for the price he'll get because of his Oakland-inflated numbers.

That said, he did alright in Texas at home -- but he also can't stay healthy.

Pass.

[Bernman]

I hope we completely ignore FA for pitching. Unless it's a guy like Greinke, it's not worth it, and our past shows that.

Young pitching will need to get it done next year.

In our past we weren't in as good of a position to land quality free agents period. In our past, we wouldn't have landed Aramis Ramirez either.

[coolhandluke121]

Depending on how the offseason goes on having to completely redo the pitching staff, i could see Ramirez being being traded before the season starts.

I can't really see him being traded. If they had any intention of trading him, they would have done so this season. Because of his escalating contract, current age, and excellent production this season, his trade value to a contender is far greater now than it will be even 3 months from now. But his value to the Brewers this season is zero, so this would have been the time to trade him. At least I would hope they see it that way.

I wish they had seriously shopped him. Now I think the only way they will trade him is if they think they have a chance to sign Greinke or Hamilton with the money they save.

Weeks, on the other hand, could be traded if he plays better. I don't think they'll trade low on him, but if he picks it up for the remainder of the season then he could be gone. Heck, he could even end up in a waiver deal if he continues his recent production and some contender is desperate.

[skones]

I hope we completely ignore FA for pitching. Unless it's a guy like Greinke, it's not worth it, and our past shows that.

Young pitching will need to get it done next year.

I'd venture to say Wolf was a pretty solid signing for us given the solid production he gave in the first two seasons of his deal. It's pretty moronic to have that type of approach when comparing FA pitching to Looper and Suppan.

[Relentless88]

No thanks on Brandon McCarthy. He's going to suck in a stadium other than Oakland. He has a 4.00 ERA outside of Oakland, not to mention that Beane had focused on defense the past few years leading up to this one.

He's not an awful pitcher, but he's not going to be anything special in any sort of hitter's park.

He's going to get overpaid.

To get a guy that keeps the ball in the park that'll post an era somewhere between 3.50 and 4.20 would do a lot of good for our rotation.

Not for the price he'll get because of his Oakland-inflated numbers.

That said, he did alright in Texas at home -- but he also can't stay healthy.

Pass.

You underrate McCarthy. He's a very good pitcher with good peripherals.