All Lin talk here

[mrchuckles]

Did the Knicks' doctors ever clear him to play? I don't recall that.

[malik959]

What Lin did during the playoffs was smart in a business sense and I'm pretty sure he was listening to his agent. You have a major surgery on your knee, do you risk further injury by coming back early at 85% and risk a good free agency signing? or do you try to make it to the second round in the playoffs in-which we all know was really a stretch? If he would have re-injured then resigning would have definitely been out of the question for many teams. Now I'm not a Huge Lin fan but I did like what he brought to the team, my issue with him was his exit and did he really want to be a Knick. To me he obviously didn't soooooooooo move on next chapter. I have always liked Raymond and feel that he actually fits better with Amare and Melo and would control the flow better. Lin is all about run run run and that's why D'A liked him. Felton is a pace control pg and has a better assist/turnover ratio. Lin was not worth that ridiculous contract and the Knicks could not afford him, sooooooo some body had to go. Best wishes to him and I hope his has a nice healthy career. Linsanity is over in N.Y, time to move on...........GO N.Y beat Houston

Now...... I've been watching these Knick, I mean Linsanity games on NBATV and like studying tapes you get to see where he helped and where killed us. Lin needs to learn when to slow down. Running the fast break he's great, half court he dribbles tooo much and drives into lane at big men expecting them to move or dribbles high in traffic. When teams keep him out the lane he uses too much clock trying to find holes.

[ibraheim718]

Did the Knicks' doctors ever clear him to play? I don't recall that.

The 23-year-old scrimmaged for the first time last week but complained of soreness in his knee the next day.

He worked out Monday and Tuesday with the hope of returning to the floor for Game 5, but he was not cleared to play by team doctors.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... led-game-5

[knicksnyk]

What Lin did during the playoffs was smart in a business sense and I'm pretty sure he was listening to his agent. You have a major surgery on your knee, do you risk further injury by coming back early at 85% and risk a good free agency signing? or do you try to make it to the second round in the playoffs in-which we all know was really a stretch? If he would have re-injured then resigning would have definitely been out of the question for many teams. Now I'm not a Huge Lin fan but I did like what he brought to the team, my issue with him was his exit and did he really want to be a Knick. To me he obviously didn't soooooooooo move on next chapter. I have always liked Raymond and feel that he actually fits better with Amare and Melo and would control the flow better. Lin is all about run run run and that's why D'A liked him. Felton is a pace control pg and has a better assist/turnover ratio. Lin was not worth that ridiculous contract and the Knicks could not afford him, sooooooo some body had to go. Best wishes to him and I hope his has a nice healthy career. Linsanity is over in N.Y, time to move on...........GO N.Y beat Houston

Now...... I've been watching these Knick, I mean Linsanity games on NBATV and like studying tapes you get to see where he helped and where killed us. Lin needs to learn when to slow down. Running the fast break he's great, half court he dribbles tooo much and drives into lane at big men expecting them to move or dribbles high in traffic. When teams keep him out the lane he uses too much clock trying to find holes.

i disagree that he didn't want to be here i think he did I just think the knicks screwed up as usual. I disagree that felton is the better fit as well. lin is the better pg and I want the best on my team. the only reason why i tolerated the knicks not matching was because after jr's comments and melo's comments I knew the media drama would be way to annoying. and after picking up felton I didn't want no pg controversy so someone had to go and it made sense for Lin to leave since the media was just going way to overboard with linsanity. also I hope you know that he played his best basketball after linsanity. i liked the post linsanity version of lin the best. the linsanity version was exciting and fun but was not sustainable. just like april melo. saying you watched the linsanity games and saw how he hurt us and helped us is foolish cause he played a lot better as he got more experience.

[malik959]

What Lin did during the playoffs was smart in a business sense and I'm pretty sure he was listening to his agent. You have a major surgery on your knee, do you risk further injury by coming back early at 85% and risk a good free agency signing? or do you try to make it to the second round in the playoffs in-which we all know was really a stretch? If he would have re-injured then resigning would have definitely been out of the question for many teams. Now I'm not a Huge Lin fan but I did like what he brought to the team, my issue with him was his exit and did he really want to be a Knick. To me he obviously didn't soooooooooo move on next chapter. I have always liked Raymond and feel that he actually fits better with Amare and Melo and would control the flow better. Lin is all about run run run and that's why D'A liked him. Felton is a pace control pg and has a better assist/turnover ratio. Lin was not worth that ridiculous contract and the Knicks could not afford him, sooooooo some body had to go. Best wishes to him and I hope his has a nice healthy career. Linsanity is over in N.Y, time to move on...........GO N.Y beat Houston

Now...... I've been watching these Knick, I mean Linsanity games on NBATV and like studying tapes you get to see where he helped and where killed us. Lin needs to learn when to slow down. Running the fast break he's great, half court he dribbles tooo much and drives into lane at big men expecting them to move or dribbles high in traffic. When teams keep him out the lane he uses too much clock trying to find holes.

i disagree that he didn't want to be here i think he did I just think the knicks screwed up as usual. I disagree that felton is the better fit as well. lin is the better pg and I want the best on my team. the only reason why i tolerated the knicks not matching was because after jr's comments and melo's comments I knew the media drama would be way to annoying. and after picking up felton I didn't want no pg controversy so someone had to go and it made sense for Lin to leave since the media was just going way to overboard with linsanity. also I hope you know that he played his best basketball after linsanity. i liked the post linsanity version of lin the best. the linsanity version was exciting and fun but was not sustainable. just like april melo. saying you watched the linsanity games and saw how he hurt us and helped us is foolish cause he played a lot better as he got more experience.

In March alone he had 76 assist and 49 turn overs, Jason Kid had 78 assist 24 TOs, Felton had 101 assist and 38 to's. I'll take Felton and Kid thank you.

[junot111]

i don't really care but i'm pretty sure that it was ultimately his decision whether to play or not. they didn't hold him out.

Obviously it was his decision to play or not. And he made the most obvious decision that 99% of players would make.

Which player has played through an injury in the playoffs in a CONTRACT YEAR ? When they've earned 1 million in salary in their whole career, was sleeping on teammate's couch earlier in the year, and has the potential to get TENFOLD the money in the offseason? Not to mention they were playing against the eventual champs Miami Heat in the first round. If it was the FINALS then maybe you could blame him even a LITTLE BIT for not playing. But in the first round? Come on.

I know you said you don't care but your saying ultimate it was his decision implies that he somehow wronged the Knicks, like some of these posters are claiming

[knicksnyk]

What Lin did during the playoffs was smart in a business sense and I'm pretty sure he was listening to his agent. You have a major surgery on your knee, do you risk further injury by coming back early at 85% and risk a good free agency signing? or do you try to make it to the second round in the playoffs in-which we all know was really a stretch? If he would have re-injured then resigning would have definitely been out of the question for many teams. Now I'm not a Huge Lin fan but I did like what he brought to the team, my issue with him was his exit and did he really want to be a Knick. To me he obviously didn't soooooooooo move on next chapter. I have always liked Raymond and feel that he actually fits better with Amare and Melo and would control the flow better. Lin is all about run run run and that's why D'A liked him. Felton is a pace control pg and has a better assist/turnover ratio. Lin was not worth that ridiculous contract and the Knicks could not afford him, sooooooo some body had to go. Best wishes to him and I hope his has a nice healthy career. Linsanity is over in N.Y, time to move on...........GO N.Y beat Houston

Now...... I've been watching these Knick, I mean Linsanity games on NBATV and like studying tapes you get to see where he helped and where killed us. Lin needs to learn when to slow down. Running the fast break he's great, half court he dribbles tooo much and drives into lane at big men expecting them to move or dribbles high in traffic. When teams keep him out the lane he uses too much clock trying to find holes.

i disagree that he didn't want to be here i think he did I just think the knicks screwed up as usual. I disagree that felton is the better fit as well. lin is the better pg and I want the best on my team. the only reason why i tolerated the knicks not matching was because after jr's comments and melo's comments I knew the media drama would be way to annoying. and after picking up felton I didn't want no pg controversy so someone had to go and it made sense for Lin to leave since the media was just going way to overboard with linsanity. also I hope you know that he played his best basketball after linsanity. i liked the post linsanity version of lin the best. the linsanity version was exciting and fun but was not sustainable. just like april melo. saying you watched the linsanity games and saw how he hurt us and helped us is foolish cause he played a lot better as he got more experience.

In March alone he had 76 assist and 49 turn overs, Jason Kid had 78 assist 24 TOs, Felton had 101 assist and 38 to's. I'll take Felton and Kid thank you.

I can cherry pick stats too but I am better than that. Anyway you realize that high turnovers in a young pg is an indication of a greater upside right? They did research papers on that and presented it at the mit sloan analytics sports conference. I was cool with his turnovers considering that he brought a lot of great things to the team but I guess me and you are just different.

[malik959]

Don't get me wrong I'm not a Lin hater. Will I miss him, yes, but I'm very happy with what we got in return. I didn't want to see Ray leave in the first place and feel that he had more good games for us than bad. He played through some nagging injuries as a Knick and was basically thrown to the curve. We can go on and on about who's better and will never solve anything. I've been a Knick fan for over 30 years and not too many stars have left N.Y to take more money else ware, but still claim they want to be in N.Y. Please name 1. Lin did not want to stay, I he wanted to stay he would have said lets work something out and not even put NY in a position to where they could not match a ridiculous contract. Lin wanted to go to Houston and got his wish, best of luck. But Felton and Kid are great veteran players that can help this team and make an impact just as Jermy did. I feel they would be better from their experience and control of the game.

[knicksnyk]

Don't get me wrong I'm not a Lin hater. Will I miss him, yes, but I'm very happy with what we got in return. I didn't want to see Ray leave in the first place and feel that he had more good games for us than bad. He played through some nagging injuries as a Knick and was basically thrown to the curve. We can go on and on about who's better and will never solve anything. I've been a Knick fan for over 30 years and not too many stars have left N.Y to take more money else ware, but still claim they want to be in N.Y. Please name 1. Lin did not want to stay, I he wanted to stay he would have said lets work something out and not even put NY in a position to where they could not match a ridiculous contract. Lin wanted to go to Houston and got his wish, best of luck. But Felton and Kid are great veteran players that can help this team and make an impact just as Jermy did. I feel they would be better from their experience and control of the game.

I never said you were a lin hater. Just having a conversation. Sorry but still not buying your he didn't want to be here crap. If the Knicks wanted him bad enough they would have provided him an offer sheet from the get go. yes I know that the max they could ahve given was 24 million but they would have still extended the courtesy and if Lin had turned it down and said he wanted to test the market that would ahve been fine at least they tried. similar to how denver handled javale mcgee's situation. they gave him an offer first javale said he wanted to test the market, and denver said fine this offer is still on the table. there were no other offers in the market so he came back to denver and accepted the initial offer they gave him. that is what a smart franchise would do. Did you know that Thibs took Omer Asik the back up center for the bulls to breakfast on the first day of FA and talked to him about his role next year on the bulls because chitown wanted him back because they knew the impact that he had on that team? That is how you treat a player that you value. You don't do some next stupidness that the knicks did, tell the whole world that we will match up to 1 billion dollars and get mad when The rockets call your bluff because they want that player more than you. Why should Lin say let's work something out (to the Knicks) when the only offer he had was the 1 million dollar qualifying offer provided by the knicks as opposed to the 25 million that the rockets put on the table. Those were the only two options he had. So he should walk away from the rockets money and go to the knicks assuming that they would take care of him and give him the 24 million that they should have offered him, but didn't, from the get go. That is stupidness. The knicks s.hit the bed as usual.

In regards to felton and Kidd. I wanted Kidd from the get go (over Nash) and I am happy we got him. Sorry i am not high on felton never have been. when a serious concern is that our pg needs to be in shape I get annoyed. I will support him though. But I just can respect someone who gets paid millions to stay in shape and train over the offseason and doesn't do that. but Like I said I love the Kidd signing and I am cool to role with Felton.

[adrenaLINe]

Don't get me wrong I'm not a Lin hater. Will I miss him, yes, but I'm very happy with what we got in return. I didn't want to see Ray leave in the first place and feel that he had more good games for us than bad. He played through some nagging injuries as a Knick and was basically thrown to the curve. We can go on and on about who's better and will never solve anything. I've been a Knick fan for over 30 years and not too many stars have left N.Y to take more money else ware, but still claim they want to be in N.Y. Please name 1. Lin did not want to stay, I he wanted to stay he would have said lets work something out and not even put NY in a position to where they could not match a ridiculous contract. Lin wanted to go to Houston and got his wish, best of luck. But Felton and Kid are great veteran players that can help this team and make an impact just as Jermy did. I feel they would be better from their experience and control of the game.

stop it.. have you been hiding under a rock?

you need to read the reports again... Lin's camp was expecting an 24 million dollar offer over 4 years offer that never came from the Knicks... in fact Knicks were talking concepts and front end load which was max 5 million anyways and then something like 4 million bucks his 3rd year on...

when asked if Jeremy Lin knew the contract he was signing was a poison pill for the Knicks

his reply was there was only one contract to sign...

[malik959]

How do we know no offer was placed on the table or the Knicks didn't wine and dine him or whatever, not everything hits the media. Lin didn't have to sign Houston's offer sheet and then up it making it harder for us to sign. He could have continued to wait, hell there have been plenty of players that held out all throughout summer camp and preseason until the team they wanted signed them.Lin jumped ship within the first few weeks of FA.
Due to the lock out over half the NBA had players that were out of shape or sidelined with injuries.

[StyLeD]

How do we know no offer was placed on the table or the Knicks didn't wine and dine him or whatever, not everything hits the media. Lin didn't have to sign Houston's offer sheet and then up it making it harder for us to sign. He could have continued to wait, hell there have been plenty of players that held out all throughout summer camp and preseason until the team they wanted signed them.Lin jumped ship within the first few weeks of FA.
Due to the lock out over half the NBA had players that were out of shape or sidelined with injuries.

We know no offer was placed because that's fact and that's what was reported to the media.....wow your entire post is wrong lol and everything is inaccurate. Do you expect Lin to back off from 25 million dollars when it was clearly the best offer. To Lin, there's no back-up plan because - guess what - the Knicks didn't give him an offer sheet! Furthermore, the Knicks actually encouraged Lin to take offer sheets from other teams! So no, he didn't "jump ship", as you would like other people to believe. And everything you say is wrong. Way to go

[adrenaLINe]

How do we know no offer was placed on the table or the Knicks didn't wine and dine him or whatever, not everything hits the media. Lin didn't have to sign Houston's offer sheet and then up it making it harder for us to sign. He could have continued to wait, hell there have been plenty of players that held out all throughout summer camp and preseason until the team they wanted signed them.Lin jumped ship within the first few weeks of FA.
Due to the lock out over half the NBA had players that were out of shape or sidelined with injuries.

because ill believe what Lin has to say, im not a bible thumper myself

but he seems to wear his religion on his sleeve, and seems to be a person who wants to become part of the Church when he retires

I believe him when he says there was only 1 offer to sign...

and from what I understand the communication wasnt there from the Knicks org from the get go...

Knicks told him to go out and test the market...

and thats what he did...

you are asking Lin to deal in good faith with the Knicks org, when they were not with him... going out and trying to sign everyone else but him...

Lins camp was saying there was a good chance Lin would have signed with the Knicks if they offered him a contract from day 1

I believe he would have too...

[adrenaLINe]

read this link...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81793 ... n-lin-camp

[knicksnyk]

How do we know no offer was placed on the table or the Knicks didn't wine and dine him or whatever, not everything hits the media. Lin didn't have to sign Houston's offer sheet and then up it making it harder for us to sign. He could have continued to wait, hell there have been plenty of players that held out all throughout summer camp and preseason until the team they wanted signed them.Lin jumped ship within the first few weeks of FA.
Due to the lock out over half the NBA had players that were out of shape or sidelined with injuries.

How did he make it harder for the knicks to sign? The rockets owner and GM confirmed that they were the ones who upped the offer sheet because the knicks opened there mouths. If they hadn't been over confident and had kept quiet non of this would have happened. And Lin should continue to wait for the knicks when they hadn't even extended the courtesy of offering him the max that they could after they went to all that trouble of getting his bird rights? And how would the fans react if Lin had waited until summer camp or preseason to sign to his team. You are telling me he wouldn't have been crucified by the media for doing that, that the NY media wouldn't have spun it like Lin was holding the knicks hostage or was demanding to much or being unreasonable for someone who had only played 25 games. Come on and which starting pg does that? Even darren collison and ramon sessions were quickly scooped up by some other team and yet you want Lin to wait? In fact if the knicks had wined and dined him we would have known about it. Your bugging if you think otherwise man. We hear that howard was at a Dodgers game but you don't think that someone would have found out that Lin had recieved an offer from the knicks? Grunwald himself even said we want him to go test the market. Also don't you find it odd that the knicks have said absolutely nothing about Lin's departure and they will continue to say nothing. Lin has been open about it and the Knicks have been quiet and yet you look to Lin as the source of the conflict? Come on homie makes no sense.

And yes due to the lockout some NBA players were out of shape. And yet the 15th man on the Knicks making the minimum was still training his butt off to get better. Steve Novak was working on his jump shot. No excuse for felton sorry.

[Ginger Bean]

I think it's pretty clear from the moves the Knicks made that they expected large offers for Lin, but they themselves did not want to pay Lin large (that's natural, considering how much they have tied up in salary already) -- and also, that they don't have time to develop Lin, who has upside but is still young and raw. That would fit with Woodson's attitude towards vets vs. rookies.

In Knicks' fantasy world, their ideal situation would have been to lure Nash to NY, with a lower salary than he could command -- and to have him mentor Lin as his backup. They would have then tried to convinced Lin to stay for a lower salary (like 3-4mil), with Nash as the lure.

They tried to scare other teams off with the "we'll match up to a billion dollars" stuff, hoping Lin wouldn't get any serious offers. It's a waste of their time and effort, if Knicks are just going to match anything.

Kidd, Miller were plan Bs to Nash, and Felton was plan B to Lin (or perhaps as Lin's backup, if they didn't get the other three vets). Obviously, they weren't going after options that were too expensive.

They just didn't count on the Rockets' desperation, after losing Dragic and Lowry. And from the negative way they've handled Lin's departure (not even an official statement!), it's pretty clear Dolan was/is peeved about the second Rockets' offer.

[UnderdogKnicks]

I think it's pretty clear from the moves the Knicks made that they expected large offers for Lin, but they themselves did not want to pay Lin large (that's natural, considering how much they have tied up in salary already) -- and also, that they don't have time to develop Lin, who has upside but is still young and raw. That would fit with Woodson's attitude towards vets vs. rookies.

In Knicks' fantasy world, their ideal situation would have been to lure Nash to NY, with a lower salary than he could command -- and to have him mentor Lin as his backup. They would have then tried to convinced Lin to stay for a lower salary (like 3-4mil), with Nash as the lure.

They tried to scare other teams off with the "we'll match up to a billion dollars" stuff, hoping Lin wouldn't get any serious offers. It's a waste of their time and effort, if Knicks are just going to match anything.

Kidd, Miller were plan Bs to Nash, and Felton was plan B to Lin (or perhaps as Lin's backup, if they didn't get the other three vets). Obviously, they weren't going after options that were too expensive.

They just didn't count on the Rockets' desperation, after losing Dragic and Lowry. And from the negative way they've handled Lin's departure (not even an official statement!), it's pretty clear Dolan was/is peeved about the second Rockets' offer.

Yep couldn't have said it better myself. Knicks didn't view Lin to be as good as we do. We'll see if they made the right decision.

[knicksnyk]

I think it's pretty clear from the moves the Knicks made that they expected large offers for Lin, but they themselves did not want to pay Lin large (that's natural, considering how much they have tied up in salary already) -- and also, that they don't have time to develop Lin, who has upside but is still young and raw. That would fit with Woodson's attitude towards vets vs. rookies.

In Knicks' fantasy world, their ideal situation would have been to lure Nash to NY, with a lower salary than he could command -- and to have him mentor Lin as his backup. They would have then tried to convinced Lin to stay for a lower salary (like 3-4mil), with Nash as the lure.

They tried to scare other teams off with the "we'll match up to a billion dollars" stuff, hoping Lin wouldn't get any serious offers.

Kidd, Miller were plan Bs to Nash, and Felton was plan B to Lin (or perhaps as Lin's backup, if they didn't get the other three vets).

They just didn't count on the Rockets' desperation, after losing Dragic and Lowry.

I don't know how anybody in there right mind can defend them not offering him the 4 years 24 million from the very beginning. Yes Lin could have gotten more on the open market but at least extend the offer as a gesture of how much they value you. Them not doing that says a lot to be honest. They didn't think he would command a lot of money particularly with them saying they would match they would match. They wanted him for as cheap as possible it seems And i think you are right, the Knicks didn't believe in Lin as much as they made it out to be or they didn't think he would be the right type of pg for the system they want to run next year. And there definitely were some locker room issues there had to have been. Jarred Jeffries was on espn NY prior to the decision and he said that they are not going to match and he said that issues of fit in terms of the offensive system that woodson wants to run is part of the reason why. But whatever after what JR said and Melo said as well it was clear to me that Lin had to go. The NY media would have been in a frenzy with Lin here next year making up all sorts of ish and I don't want know pg controversy. Lord knows the drama that would cause. Better for both to part ways.

[knicksNOTslick]

I think it's pretty clear from the moves the Knicks made that they expected large offers for Lin, but they themselves did not want to pay Lin large (that's natural, considering how much they have tied up in salary already) -- and also, that they don't have time to develop Lin, who has upside but is still young and raw. That would fit with Woodson's attitude towards vets vs. rookies.

In Knicks' fantasy world, their ideal situation would have been to lure Nash to NY, with a lower salary than he could command -- and to have him mentor Lin as his backup. They would have then tried to convinced Lin to stay for a lower salary (like 3-4mil), with Nash as the lure.

They tried to scare other teams off with the "we'll match up to a billion dollars" stuff, hoping Lin wouldn't get any serious offers. It's a waste of their time and effort, if Knicks are just going to match anything.

Kidd, Miller were plan Bs to Nash, and Felton was plan B to Lin (or perhaps as Lin's backup, if they didn't get the other three vets). Obviously, they weren't going after options that were too expensive.

They just didn't count on the Rockets' desperation, after losing Dragic and Lowry. And from the negative way they've handled Lin's departure (not even an official statement!), it's pretty clear Dolan was/is peeved about the second Rockets' offer.

Yep couldn't have said it better myself. Knicks didn't view Lin to be as good as we do. We'll see if they made the right decision.

Pure speculation, but maybe they know something we don't. His style of play's not exactly good for his durability in the league. He could play at the same high level during Linsanity but his likelihood for suffering an injury goes up, especially post-injury. And team doctors can account for that. They could've said he's too much of a risk for that amount of money. Who knows.

[Thugger HBC]

The Knicks said nothing, but their actions said plenty.

From chasing Nash to signing a full pg rotation, the answer was clear.

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