FFL - 2012-13 - Voting on Rule Change - draft order posted

[floppymoose]

Curtis, I've been clear all along there is no problem other than play preference. There is no rules breaking problem. No one is cheating. It's about what game the players want to play.

We voted on whether to do divisions. We voted on whether to do seasonal or weekly adds. All that is play preference stuff, just as this is.

So let's just vote on it. Your efforts to put my position in some box don't matter. No one has to agree with anything I've said to vote for 45. Or they could agree with everything and still vote 60. Nothing matters except what 11 managers want. 45 moves or 60?

[sabonis]

60 is mad. we played with 50 for quite a few years, why the need to increase it while half the league thinks there is a problem with this many moves.

[Woody Allen]

No, it was actually 60 before. There's no increase proposed.

Besides, it is not true that half of the league thinks it is a problem. It is just a couple of you.

[sabonis]

ummm NO. Who cares if it was actually 60 at the beginning of the league, it seemed too much and that number was tuned down to 50...

right now I think the ones who want a decrease are more than the ones who want an increase (including bww who doesnt vote)

so yeah actually there only are a couple of you. it is just that you guys probably have more time in your hands and post much more than us on the boards. that's it.

[Curtis Lemansky]

ummm NO. Who cares if it was actually 60 at the beginning of the league, it seemed too much and that number was tuned down to 50...

That's completely wrong, inaccurate and misleading.

It was never 50 for a full season. For a full season it was always 60 and it was reduced down to 50 last season because it was a shortened season. The last time we had a full season (2010 - 2011), it was 60.

To be honest, there is not much a difference for me between 45 and 60. I prefer 60 but I could easily live with 45. My issue here is with the "streaming problem" false narrative that is pushed down our throats again.

so yeah actually there only are a couple of you. it is just that you guys probably have more time in your hands and post much more than us on the boards. that's it.

You seem to have perfectly enough time in your hands to post inaccurate information.

[writersblock]

right now I think the ones who want a decrease are more than the ones who want an increase (including bww who doesnt vote)

Actually, Sabonis, the league is split. The vote right now is tied 5-5, and 1 "either way is fine with me" vote. With 2 days left to vote, we'll see how this thing turns out.

Funny how a difference of 15 moves for a season is causing such a hubbub.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to seeing what the next controversy in the league will be. I'm putting my money on someone pulling off a mad 4 team trade where one manager gets all 5 of the top 10 picks causing us to all argue about the validity of trading draft picks.

In other news, has anyone seen Fran?

[Woody Allen]

Classic Sabonis. Lie and the shameless snide comment.

[hailfire4]

As a compromise why not abolish ALL limits and let everybody make as many moves as they want? If someone wants to cut all 14 players everyday then good for them. U will never make a low enuff move limit for some people and never high enuff for others.

[bww78]

Ummmmm, no.

And who are you?

[bww78]

Does the seasonal limit include the playoffs or is it just the regular season? Last season, we had a seasonal limit and then a weekly limit for the playoffs. Is this what we will continue to do?

Seasonal, and does not include the playoffs.

[bww78]

I vote 60. It's close enough to 3 per week for me. Also, we should keep in mind that we voted NOT to add a roster spot, so that means more need of the add/drop function in case of injuries.

No, the vote actually came out to add a roster spot.

[jfrost]

If it helps... I will switch my vote from "either are fine by me" to 60. Lets just move on and get the lottery held.

[bww78]

Ok, here are the final lottery numbers:

1 - Sly
2 - Fran
3 - Jazz
4 - WB
5 - Theman
6 - Ham
7 - Break
8 - Woody
9 - Inso
10 - TK
11 - Stick
12 - Sabonis
13 - Curtis
14 - Cy
15 - JFrost
16 - 3Si
17 - Floppy
18 - Hopper
19 - BWW
20 - Sk1p

Running the lottery now.

[bww78]

[bww78]

1 - theman
2 - jfrost
3 - Stick
4 - 3Si
5 - Sk1p
6 - BWW
7 - Sly
8 - Break
9 - Floppy
10 - Jazz
11 - Curtis
12 - Cy
13 - Hopper
14 - Sabonis
15 - Ham
16 - TK
17 - Inso
18 - WB
19 - Woody
20 - Fran

[Woody Allen]

Wow. My fourth year and I think I never got anything better than #16.

[writersblock]

Kicking myself, because I almost wrote in and switched my number from 4 to either 2 or 5. Ugh.

I think I've had 18 before though, so not bad. Willing to trade up if anyone is interested.

[bww78]

I'm willing to trade down. Make me an offer.

[hamncheese]

Second year in a row that I'm drafting next to Sabonis.

[floppymoose]

Any chance of a moratorium on trading until the rules are settled? The moves issue affects things for me.