BAT 8.0 TRADE DISCUSSION (DRAFT STARTED IN OTHER THREAD)

Post #2421 » by **mpharris36** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:34 pm

LJ4pointplay wrote:
Blue Ninja wrote:LJ its not your pick. You are pick # 141 as it says in your sig.

CoolKids has pick 140.

dman my bad.. thanks

well unless coolkids pick him then he is all yours

Knicksfan20 · Post #2422 » by **Knicksfan20** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:36 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:It is rough constantly seeing my guys go right before my picks. Same thing happened in the ORL B-a-T. A lot of good picks being made - you can definitely tell that you guys have more experience than the guys over on our Magic board did. A lot more thought is put in to the teams and when guys are picked.

However, considering this is going to probably end up being the first fantasy sport of any kind that I have not been able to complete a trade...I do like the way my team is looking.

Anyone have any thoughts? I'll trade feedback for feedback.

PG Russell Westrbook
SG JJ Redick
SF
PF Serge Ibaka
C Nikola Pekovic

HC: Greg Popovic

Think you picked a coach way to early and your quality of players are suffereing because of it.

Im not sure if i love Reddic on your team, but he should help Westbrook out by being able to spread the floor. Just doesnt look like a team Popovich would coach. As of now, you really only have 1 player who can score the ball. Thats a big issue.

I think you need more athletes to be able to run with Westbrook.

Fury · Post #2423 » by **Fury** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:39 pm

Nikola Pekovic can score. Ibaka is getting better. You don't need too many scorers around Westbrook though. He's that type of player.

Post #2424 » by **mpharris36** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:40 pm

Blue Ninja wrote:
Melothegreat wrote:Beal

Not sure if you're serious with the defense. What separates Beal from the chuckers in the league is the mindset. He makes quick and accurate decisions and is efficient in doing so. Beal is much more developed then Lamb. Lamb is a question mark without a doubt. I draft for athleticism but I also draft intangibles and smarts.

well i disagree a little there. I think Lamb is the safer choice because he is fundamentally a more sound player at this point that Beal.

Beal has a higher sealing for sure. But I don't see the comparisons to to Ray Allen as of right now. Kind of in the Eric Gordon mold. Beal has a nice shooting form but it didn't translate to impressive college #'s.

Lamb on the other hand was the second best player on a national championship team. His length will make him a good defender in this league.

Considering where beal was picked i think Lamb was a solid choice with the available 2 guards out there

LJ4pointplay · Post #2425 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:40 pm

Fury wrote:Nikola Pekovic can score. Ibaka is getting better. You don't need too many scorers around Westbrook though. He's that type of player.

Fury, you see a deal where I can land Paul w/o giving up Dirk?

CANiLIVE · Post #2426 » by **CANiLIVE** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:41 pm

Blue Ninja wrote:
Melothegreat wrote:Beal

Not sure if you're serious with the defense. What separates Beal from the chuckers in the league is the mindset. He makes quick and accurate decisions and is efficient in doing so. Beal is much more developed then Lamb. Lamb is a question mark without a doubt. I draft for athleticism but I also draft intangibles and smarts.

Beal shot 45% for the field and 34% from 3pt vs Lamb 48% from field and 34% from 3pt. This one is pretty close however Lamb does shoot 60% from 2pt range vs 54% Beal.

Defense-Beal used his strength to offset his lack of height against opponents in college however this will be a struggle in the NBA. Lamb will initially struggle with strength but should still be dangerous in passing lanes. Furthermore, over time, Lamb will get stronger and has potential to be an elite defender.

Lamb’s ability to get his shot both in the midrange and all the way to the basket is much better than Beal who, to this point, has shown an inability to create his own shot.

Post #2427 » by **mpharris36** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:41 pm

Fury wrote:Nikola Pekovic can score. Ibaka is getting better. You don't need too many scorers around Westbrook though. He's that type of player.

so you are condoning Westbrook jacking up 30 shots a night?

Fury · Post #2428 » by **Fury** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:43 pm

LJ4pointplay wrote:
Fury wrote:Nikola Pekovic can score. Ibaka is getting better. You don't need too many scorers around Westbrook though. He's that type of player.

Fury, you see a deal where I can land Paul w/o giving up Dirk?

No

Fury · Post #2429 » by **Fury** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:43 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Fury wrote:Nikola Pekovic can score. Ibaka is getting better. You don't need too many scorers around Westbrook though. He's that type of player.

so you a condoning Westbrook jacking up 30 shots a night?

Yep. He built towards his strengths. Pekovic is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game. Since when is Westbrook a dishing PG?

Blue Ninja · Post #2430 » by **Blue Ninja** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:48 pm

mpharris36 wrote:well i disagree a little there. I think Lamb is the safer choice because he is fundamentally a more sound player at this point that Beal.

Beal has a higher sealing for sure. But I don't see the comparisons to to Ray Allen as of right now. Kind of in the Eric Gordon mold. Beal has a nice shooting form but it didn't translate to impressive college #'s.

Lamb on the other hand was the second best player on a national championship team. His length will make him a good defender in this league.

Considering where beal was picked i think Lamb was a solid choice with the available 2 guards out there

Completely disagree. The only real reason the team won a championship was the PG that entered the draft that year. Beal showed up in the tournament while Lamb went out in shame. Beal is stronger, better defensively, a better leader, and smarter in how he attacks. Lamb has good moves but often settles for bad shots.

I just feel like Lamb like players are available even currently in this draft. They arent hard to come by.

Post #2431 » by **mpharris36** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:50 pm

Fury wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Fury wrote:Nikola Pekovic can score. Ibaka is getting better. You don't need too many scorers around Westbrook though. He's that type of player.

so you a condoning Westbrook jacking up 30 shots a night?

Yep. He built towards his strengths. Pekovic is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game. Since when is Westbrook a dishing PG?

no one said he was a dishing PG. But giving him the freedom to just throw up 30 shots is not going to be a winning strategy in my eyes. One of his best assets (his defense) will be non existent if he has to do that much on the offensive end.

Not having a #2 option is tough

CoolKids · Post #2432 » by **CoolKids** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:51 pm

am I on the clock?

Knicksfan20 · Post #2433 » by **Knicksfan20** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:52 pm

Agree with MP.

Even the best scorers in the league need somone else who can score to take some pressure off of them.

Jose7 · Post #2434 » by **Jose7** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:52 pm

CoolKids wrote:am I on the clock?

yes

Fury · Post #2435 » by **Fury** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:52 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
no one said he was a dishing PG. But giving him the freedom to just throw up 30 shots is not going to be a winning strategy in my eyes. One of his best assets (his defense) will be non existent if he has to do that much on the offensive end.

Not having a #2 option is tough

It's the way you build around scoring PGs (Rose, Iverson). Even Joe Dumars barely scored more than Pekovic does when they won those titles.

CANiLIVE · Post #2436 » by **CANiLIVE** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:53 pm

Blue Ninja wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:well i disagree a little there. I think Lamb is the safer choice because he is fundamentally a more sound player at this point that Beal.

Beal has a higher sealing for sure. But I don't see the comparisons to to Ray Allen as of right now. Kind of in the Eric Gordon mold. Beal has a nice shooting form but it didn't translate to impressive college #'s.

Lamb on the other hand was the second best player on a national championship team. His length will make him a good defender in this league.

Considering where beal was picked i think Lamb was a solid choice with the available 2 guards out there

Completely disagree. The only real reason the team won a championship was the PG that entered the draft that year. Beal showed up in the tournament while Lamb went out in shame. Beal is stronger, better defensively, a better leader, and smarter in how he attacks. Lamb has good moves but often settles for bad shots.

I just feel like Lamb like players are available even currently in this draft. They arent hard to come by.

Lol like who?

Fury · Post #2437 » by **Fury** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:53 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:Agree with MP.

Even the best scorers in the league need somone else who can score to take some pressure off of them.

Pekovic averaged 14 in 26 mins!

Knicksfan20 · Post #2438 » by **Knicksfan20** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:54 pm

Fury wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:Agree with MP.

Even the best scorers in the league need somone else who can score to take some pressure off of them.

Pekovic averaged 14 in 26 mins!

You think hell average 14 with Westbrook opposed to Rubio?

Fury · Post #2439 » by **Fury** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:55 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
Fury wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:Agree with MP.

Even the best scorers in the league need somone else who can score to take some pressure off of them.

Pekovic averaged 14 in 26 mins!

You think hell average 14 with Westbrook opposed to Rubio?

How much does Ibaka average with Durant, Westbrook AND Harden on the team? I think as the second option? 30 mins a game? He'd get 17.

CoolKids · Post #2440 » by **CoolKids** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:55 pm

Pick is in.