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Re: andrew wiggins = our canadian hope 

Post#41 » by [SJJ] » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:32 am

kingkao wrote:Thing I noticed. Wiggins is a lot bigger than these other guys that I am guessing are older.
And I so hope, there is so miracle of a way the Raptors land this guy.

Let's start manifesting this **** this second!

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Post#42 » by [SJJ] » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:33 am

DG88 wrote:Did anyone watch the highlights of Wiggins vs Randle, man that was just awesome.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYpwWYw7lvc[/youtube]
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Re: andrew wiggins = our canadian hope 

Post#43 » by DG88 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:52 am

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kingkao wrote:Thing I noticed. Wiggins is a lot bigger than these other guys that I am guessing are older.
And I so hope, there is so miracle of a way the Raptors land this guy.

Let's start manifesting this **** this second!

C - Valanciunas
PF - Bargnani
SF - Wiggins
SG - Demar
PG - Lowry

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Post#44 » by Scase » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:55 am

Le sigh, pipe dreams :(
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Post#45 » by theSkinny » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:13 am

His pedigree is like Yao's...except for the whole pre arranged breeding part. 8-)
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Post#46 » by Double Helix » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:14 am

I think the best pro projection at this point for him has to be a more efficient Rudy Gay. I realize that some expect far more since he's likely to be the best Canadian since Nash but let's be real. If Rudy Gay WAS Canadian he'd be the best since Nash too. Even if he's "only" A Rudy Gay quality SF he'll still be amazing for our National Team and a ton of fun to cheer on in the NBA, especially since he's not just Canadian. He's from the GTA. However, the Bron/Kobe/Durant hype that some have thrown around is too much. I expect a slightly better Rudy Gay. Anything more than that will be incredible.
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Post#47 » by Undefeated » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:15 am

jolly wrote:I have followed Andrew Wiggins pretty closely over the last two summers, and his jumper definitely isn't broken. He has deep range and consistently hits the NBA 3 already.

This highlight mix doesn't directly reflect his game. He is also a great rebounder, defender (shut down Julius Randle - #2 ranked prospect), and passer. He is the full package. It just so happens that he has about 2-3 of these highlight plays in every game.

His jumper may not look as nice as you'd like, but his offensive game is very polished. He can post up with a nice floater hook, pull up and hit the mid range, finish in traffic after getting hit, and dunk on anyone I've seen.


Yeah, this highlight mix definitely doesn't show all of Wiggins' skills.

I still want to see him improve his jumpshot off the dribble, but overall he's got one of the smoothest stroke at a player his height. A lot of people think XRM is a good shooter which he is albeit a volume shooter, but even his form isn't as nice as Wiggins'. But once you see Wiggins live you'll appreciate how good of ball player he is. I'm only a couple years older than him and watching him play made me felt like **** lol.
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Post#48 » by Undefeated » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:18 am

Double Helix wrote:I think the best pro projection at this point for him has to be a more efficient Rudy Gay. I realize that some expect far more since he's likely to be the best Canadian since Nash but let's be real. If Rudy Gay WAS Canadian he'd be the best since Nash too. Even if he's "only" A Rudy Gay quality SF he'll still be amazing for our National Team and a ton of fun to cheer on in the NBA, especially since he's not just Canadian. He's from the GTA. However, the Bron/Kobe/Durant hype that some have thrown around is too much. I expect a slightly better Rudy Gay. Anything more than that will be incredible.


True, but keep in mind that when Durant was 17 years old he wasn't nearly as skilled as Wiggins. Wiggins already has a better handle than KD.

His athleticism does remind me of Rudy Gay, though.
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Post#49 » by Kenyon009 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:22 am

We could have been a contender by now if management tanked properly. Instead of DeRozan you would have had Harden, instead of Davis you could have had George.

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Post#50 » by mirrornick » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:52 am

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mirrornick wrote:He used to go to my school , he was a bully and a jerk. Perhaps he will be a sweetheart once cameras are on him.


:lol: I met him once before when he was still on the Vaughn squad. He didn't seem like a jerk then :-?


Mirror, did he give you a sharpshooter because you refused to give him your bus fare? That's what happened to me in high school :cry:



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Post#51 » by BirdmanPresents » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:56 am

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Mirror, did he give you a sharpshooter because you refused to give him your bus fare? That's what happened to me in high school :cry:



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Post#52 » by Dr Comeback » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:58 am

Double Helix wrote:I think the best pro projection at this point for him has to be a more efficient Rudy Gay. I realize that some expect far more since he's likely to be the best Canadian since Nash but let's be real. If Rudy Gay WAS Canadian he'd be the best since Nash too. Even if he's "only" A Rudy Gay quality SF he'll still be amazing for our National Team and a ton of fun to cheer on in the NBA, especially since he's not just Canadian. He's from the GTA. However, the Bron/Kobe/Durant hype that some have thrown around is too much. I expect a slightly better Rudy Gay. Anything more than that will be incredible.


Uhm you act as if Canada is the only one hyping, like people are qualifying his prospect value as the best Canadian ever. Rudy Gay was never at any point the best player in high school basketball, let alone the best player at 17, people have said if the a draft was held of all the available prospects now he would go number 1.

Rudy Gay is a 6-9 sf with limited ball handling skills, and a very good jump shot, none of this resembles what andrew wiggins is or what his potential holds, Rudy is significantly longer, the only resemblance is athleticism.

If he only ended up being rudy gay then we all should be disappointed, given his physical tools and the rate of development he has shown in high school, we are looking at a once in a generation type prospect, there is a long way to go between now and reaching his ceiling and a lot can go wrong but saying his full potential is rudy gay is just silly and overly cynical.
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Post#53 » by mirrornick » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:30 am

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Mirror, did he give you a sharpshooter because you refused to give him your bus fare? That's what happened to me in high school :cry:



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Post#54 » by Le Roi » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:55 am

Disgusting player, dropped 40 something on my high school ball team last year
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Post#55 » by fredericklove » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:06 am

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Double Helix wrote:I think the best pro projection at this point for him has to be a more efficient Rudy Gay. I realize that some expect far more since he's likely to be the best Canadian since Nash but let's be real. If Rudy Gay WAS Canadian he'd be the best since Nash too. Even if he's "only" A Rudy Gay quality SF he'll still be amazing for our National Team and a ton of fun to cheer on in the NBA, especially since he's not just Canadian. He's from the GTA. However, the Bron/Kobe/Durant hype that some have thrown around is too much. I expect a slightly better Rudy Gay. Anything more than that will be incredible.


Uhm you act as if Canada is the only one hyping, like people are qualifying his prospect value as the best Canadian ever. Rudy Gay was never at any point the best player in high school basketball, let alone the best player at 17, people have said if the a draft was held of all the available prospects now he would go number 1.

Rudy Gay is a 6-9 sf with limited ball handling skills, and a very good jump shot, none of this resembles what andrew wiggins is or what his potential holds, Rudy is significantly longer, the only resemblance is athleticism.

If he only ended up being rudy gay then we all should be disappointed, given his physical tools and the rate of development he has shown in high school, we are looking at a once in a generation type prospect, there is a long way to go between now and reaching his ceiling and a lot can go wrong but saying his full potential is rudy gay is just silly and overly cynical.


I don't see rudy gay projection as silly or cynical, he said "efficient" rudy gay, basically a rudy gay 2.0. Btw, Rudy has a pretty good ball handling skill too. Also you're over-glorify Wiggins calling him "once in a generation"? I say once in 6-7 years talent type because the last one seen was Durant.
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Post#56 » by TheGoodDoctor » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:31 am

Dr Comeback wrote:
Double Helix wrote:I think the best pro projection at this point for him has to be a more efficient Rudy Gay. I realize that some expect far more since he's likely to be the best Canadian since Nash but let's be real. If Rudy Gay WAS Canadian he'd be the best since Nash too. Even if he's "only" A Rudy Gay quality SF he'll still be amazing for our National Team and a ton of fun to cheer on in the NBA, especially since he's not just Canadian. He's from the GTA. However, the Bron/Kobe/Durant hype that some have thrown around is too much. I expect a slightly better Rudy Gay. Anything more than that will be incredible.


Uhm you act as if Canada is the only one hyping, like people are qualifying his prospect value as the best Canadian ever. Rudy Gay was never at any point the best player in high school basketball, let alone the best player at 17, people have said if the a draft was held of all the available prospects now he would go number 1.

Rudy Gay is a 6-9 sf with limited ball handling skills, and a very good jump shot, none of this resembles what andrew wiggins is or what his potential holds, Rudy is significantly longer, the only resemblance is athleticism.

If he only ended up being rudy gay then we all should be disappointed, given his physical tools and the rate of development he has shown in high school, we are looking at a once in a generation type prospect, there is a long way to go between now and reaching his ceiling and a lot can go wrong but saying his full potential is rudy gay is just silly and overly cynical.


Excellent post Dr. Comeback

There's also a few things I would add to that...

1. It's NOT too much to possibly lump him in with Kobe/Lebron/KD etc...we don't know one way or the other. But the fact is most analysts aren't rating him better than just the Bennets and other Canadian talent but have him rated better than THE best of the best like Shabazz, Jabari and Randle. Do you realize how damn good of a prospect you need to be in order to be considered potentially (keyword) greater than those names?? That prospect would have to be considered a generational talent to be considered potentially greater than them.

2. It's like people forget he's so young that he's not even supposed to come out the following year but actually three drafts from now but he's so good and dominant that he's reclassifying.

3. Its also not as simple as comparing talent....Anthony Randolph was a great talent; Vince Carter was arguebly a greater talent than Kobe Bryant coming into the league but it's also how assertive and how strong a prospect's belief is in himself.

Wiggins is DOMINATING kids of supposedly the same skill level or greater; all the while being younger -- process that for a minute. As it stands now he appears to have an "IT" factor which seperates great from the good. Of course that all can change but usually (not always) analysts get it right when the predict a generational talent like a Shaq, Kobe or Lebron. Something stands out about a kid; for now Wiggins obviously does. No reason to play him down.
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Re: andrew wiggins = our canadian hope 

Post#57 » by Dr Comeback » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:33 am

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Double Helix wrote:I think the best pro projection at this point for him has to be a more efficient Rudy Gay. I realize that some expect far more since he's likely to be the best Canadian since Nash but let's be real. If Rudy Gay WAS Canadian he'd be the best since Nash too. Even if he's "only" A Rudy Gay quality SF he'll still be amazing for our National Team and a ton of fun to cheer on in the NBA, especially since he's not just Canadian. He's from the GTA. However, the Bron/Kobe/Durant hype that some have thrown around is too much. I expect a slightly better Rudy Gay. Anything more than that will be incredible.


Uhm you act as if Canada is the only one hyping, like people are qualifying his prospect value as the best Canadian ever. Rudy Gay was never at any point the best player in high school basketball, let alone the best player at 17, people have said if the a draft was held of all the available prospects now he would go number 1.

Rudy Gay is a 6-9 sf with limited ball handling skills, and a very good jump shot, none of this resembles what andrew wiggins is or what his potential holds, Rudy is significantly longer, the only resemblance is athleticism.

If he only ended up being rudy gay then we all should be disappointed, given his physical tools and the rate of development he has shown in high school, we are looking at a once in a generation type prospect, there is a long way to go between now and reaching his ceiling and a lot can go wrong but saying his full potential is rudy gay is just silly and overly cynical.


I don't see rudy gay projection as silly or cynical, he said "efficient" rudy gay, basically a rudy gay 2.0. Btw, Rudy has a pretty good ball handling skill too. Also you're over-glorify Wiggins calling him "once in a generation"? I say once in 6-7 years talent type because the last one seen was Durant.


im not over glorifying him, compare his development, to where Rudy was in high school he had very little to no handle to speak of, coming out of college, go look back at whatever scouting reports there were, you will see the same thing, limited handle, lacks go too scoring moves. Rudy handle now is simply average, despite his off the charts physical tools he struggles to get into the lane, hence why still can't muster more than 4 fta per game.

Even compare his rate of development to Durant, who at 17 for all his offensive abilities his defense lagged way behind his offense.

Hve you been watching this kid? like really watching his development, the rate of improvement has been rapid, the peach jam in close game he even showed off some crafty back to the basket moves.

Dude if all he is a more efficient rudy gay, then we should all be VERY disappointed and ask ourselves what went wrong.
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Post#58 » by KDtdot35 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:08 am

stern will give him to the raps and we'll hav a nice lineup

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Post#59 » by TheGoodDoctor » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:26 am

KDtdot35 wrote:stern will give him to the raps and we'll hav a nice lineup

lowly,demar,wiggins,bargs,val


No he won't, nor will he be able to.

1. Stern hates Canada
2. By the time Wiggins is in the draft we will be a playoff team.
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Post#60 » by Laowai » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:28 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
KDtdot35 wrote:stern will give him to the raps and we'll hav a nice lineup

lowly,demar,wiggins,bargs,val


No he won't, nor will he be able to.

1. Stern hates Canada
2. By the time Wiggins is in the draft we will be a playoff team.


Totally agree we must wait till after his second contract cycle then he will bring stars with him to Toronto.
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