Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVII "Training Camp" Ed.)

RYgoBOOM · Post #781 » by **RYgoBOOM** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 1:57 pm

They letting any of the public into any of these scrimmages or practice sessions?

O'quinn seems to be pretty impressive so far!

Nyce_1 · Post #782 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 2:02 pm

RYgoBOOM wrote:They letting any of the public into any of these scrimmages or practice sessions?
O'quinn seems to be pretty impressive so far!

They're supposed to have an open scrimmage/practice on October 22, around 6-7pm. Sucks cause it's a monday night.

I'm trying to find the link with the exact details.

RYgoBOOM · Post #783 » by **RYgoBOOM** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 2:06 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
RYgoBOOM wrote:They letting any of the public into any of these scrimmages or practice sessions?
O'quinn seems to be pretty impressive so far!

They're supposed to have an open scrimmage/practice on October 22, around 6-7pm. Sucks cause it's a monday night.

I'm trying to find the link with the exact details.

i'll deff be there lol.

8-)

Nyce_1 · Post #784 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 2:29 pm

RYgoBOOM wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
RYgoBOOM wrote:They letting any of the public into any of these scrimmages or practice sessions?
O'quinn seems to be pretty impressive so far!

They're supposed to have an open scrimmage/practice on October 22, around 6-7pm. Sucks cause it's a monday night.

I'm trying to find the link with the exact details.

i'll deff be there lol.

I live/work in tampa but thinking about making the drive. That I-4 traffic during rush hour is working against me though.

Optimus_Steel · Post #785 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 2:33 pm

I really think that O'quinn is going to be one of those guys that just overworks everyone which will endear him to the fans the way that Darrell and Bo did. He also seems to have the charisma and natural ability to lead and bring people together.

Nyce_1 · Post #786 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 2:40 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:I really think that O'quinn is going to be one of those guys that just overworks everyone which will endear him to the fans the way that Darrell and Bo did. He also seems to have the charisma and natural ability to lead and bring people together.

Since his rookie intro presser and after his first summer league game, I've been high on him. I hope he has a good career and it's all with the Magic. I see him in the mold of Nick Collison; just work hard and do the little things for the team success.

magicfanejc42 · Post #787 » by **magicfanejc42** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 2:56 pm

Is it me, or is there not a lot of information coming out of these practices?

Post #788 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 3:09 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:I really think that O'quinn is going to be one of those guys that just overworks everyone which will endear him to the fans the way that Darrell and Bo did. He also seems to have the charisma and natural ability to lead and bring people together.

Considering I haven't seen too much of Vucevic, it wouldn't surprise me to see O'Quinn win a starting position at center.

RYgoBOOM · Post #789 » by **RYgoBOOM** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 3:11 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:I really think that O'quinn is going to be one of those guys that just overworks everyone which will endear him to the fans the way that Darrell and Bo did. He also seems to have the charisma and natural ability to lead and bring people together.

Considering I haven't seen too much of Vucevic, it wouldn't surprise me to see O'Quinn win a starting position at center.

agreed.

Did Vucci put in ANY work at all this summer? Been no reports of anything regarding him to my knowledge

Optimus_Steel · Post #790 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 3:25 pm

Its def been alot quieter in terms of updates and news from training camp than in the past. I dont know if its the post Dwight effect or the new management being more tight lipped.

Post #791 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 3:39 pm

From Kyler's chat:

Wil
Hi Steve, I am still a bit unclear as to what the ‘plan’ is in Orlando? They kept just enough veteran talent to make things interesting and are saying they want a winning culture, but at the same time they didn’t upgrade enough (or get enough value) to actually compete. So what is the plan? To be the new Houston Rockets and just miss the playoffs and have a collection of ok but not great players! Doomed to mediocrity for the next generation unless I am missing something.

Steve Kyler
Here is what I gathered after talking to them… install a winning culture.

You can’t do that if you are set up to lose every night. They kept enough veterans to help the young guys get acclimated and I think a lot of those vets will be traded off at the deadline or moved around the draft in July.

This is not a good year to tank… this draft isn’t going to yield a franchise player, so why tank and poison the locker room and lose.

Does it mean the magic are a borderline 8th seed… maybe, but thats how they look today. I think they will look differently after the deadline in February.

Ricky
Hey Steve! Love the job you’re doing! Never miss you chats! In you opinion, do the magic tank to assure a top pick? What do u think harkless ceiling is, does he resemble a player? Can the magic trade the 17 mil trade exemption for a bad contract and a lottery pick? Thanks for your time

Steve Kyler
do the magic tank to assure a top pick?
— This is not the draft to do it. There are great #2 guys in this class, but no future franchise changers. This is the Andrew Bogut draft, not the LeBron draft.

What do u think harkless ceiling is, does he resemble a player?
— His trainers compare him to Rudy Gay with a little Kevin Durant sprinkled in. I think thats a little too much to put on the young guy, but he could be very good in a couple of years. He loves the gym. He loves to work. He loves to be coached and learn the game. I am a fan.

Can the magic trade the 17 mil trade exemption for a bad contract and a lottery pick?
— They can absorb a contract with the TPE and they can take back a draft pick too. Not sure thats how its going to play out. They want to offload money, not take on money. Could they take on an ending deal or a deal with favorable buyout terms – maybe. But the Magic are not trying to screw the future for the sake of the present.

Post #792 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 3:46 pm

Kyler "heard" Big Baby was the guy that could be on the move:

Nick DC
Hey Steve.

Do you see the Orlando Magic moving a player (or players) like JJ Reddick or Al Harrington or even Afflalo at the trade deadline? What type of haul do you think they could get in such a move?

Steve Kyler
I do not think Aaron is going anywhere… he is the prototype player for Orlando going forward. Hard worker. Team guy. Loves defense.

I do think Al Harrington is moved if they can find a buyer… JJ I am not sold on… depends on what they get back for him.

The guy I heard mentioned over and over this week was Glenn Davis – I think they’d pack JJ in to move Big Baby.

Chris
Hey Steve, what is going to happen with Orlando’s roster in order to get to 15? Should we expect a trade? They way I see it, we may have to cut two guys with guaranteed contracts. What are you thoughts on what will happen with the likes of Harper, McRoberts, Eyenga and the like?

Steve Kyler
Not sure there is a plan… as much as let the best 15 win.

They do have a lot of guys under contract, but they continue to say getting to 15 isn’t going to be an issue. So either they are buying out contracts or trading them before things settle in and I think they have some guys they could trade if they wanted to.

Not sure Harper, McBob and Eyenga matter in the big picture, but in the short term they have as much a shot at making the roster as anyone.

thelead · Post #793 » by **thelead** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 3:53 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:From Kyler's chat:
Wil
Hi Steve, I am still a bit unclear as to what the ‘plan’ is in Orlando? They kept just enough veteran talent to make things interesting and are saying they want a winning culture, but at the same time they didn’t upgrade enough (or get enough value) to actually compete. So what is the plan? To be the new Houston Rockets and just miss the playoffs and have a collection of ok but not great players! Doomed to mediocrity for the next generation unless I am missing something.

Steve Kyler
Here is what I gathered after talking to them… install a winning culture.

You can’t do that if you are set up to lose every night. They kept enough veterans to help the young guys get acclimated and I think a lot of those vets will be traded off at the deadline or moved around the draft in July.

This is not a good year to tank… this draft isn’t going to yield a franchise player, so why tank and poison the locker room and lose.

Does it mean the magic are a borderline 8th seed… maybe, but thats how they look today. I think they will look differently after the deadline in February.

Basically what I've been saying. He's jackin my material :lol:

Nyce_1 · Post #794 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 3:58 pm

Steve is saying what I've been thinking; keep vets for this year to instill that winning mentality & culture; then, go full tank mode next year for Wiggins.

Surprised to hear about Davis possibly being the odd man out, but financially, it makes sense. We'll see if his leadership can change some minds.

Post #795 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 4:18 pm

Evan Dunlap ‏@BQRMagic
Magic cancel this evening's practice. They'll start again tmw at 10 AM before departing for Mexico City.

Post #796 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 4:23 pm

Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins
Jacque Vaughn made it clear: Gustavo Ayon will start In Sunday's exhibition in his home country of Mexico.

Not sure if it's because we're playing in Mexico or if it's because Ayon has won that spot.

Post #797 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 4:24 pm

Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins
Arron Afflalo (tight hamstring) sat out #Orlando #Magic practice today. So did Quentin Richardson (sick).

John Denton ‏@JohnDenton555
#Magic coach Jacque Vaughn is so happy with the work that his team has put in so far in camp that he cancelled tonight's practice.

Nyce_1 · Post #798 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 4:24 pm

John Denton @JohnDenton555
#Magic coach Jacque Vaughn is so happy with the work that his team has put in so far in camp that he cancelled tonight's practice.

Josh Robbins @JoshuaBRobbins
Jacque Vaughn canceled the evening practice to give guys a rest. He said he's been happy with the practices so far.

Josh Robbins @JoshuaBRobbins
Arron Afflalo (tight hamstring) sat out #Orlando #Magic practice today. So did Quentin Richardson (sick).

Josh Robbins @JoshuaBRobbins
Jacque Vaughn made it clear: Gustavo Ayon will start In Sunday's exhibition in his home country of Mexico.

Nyce_1 · Post #799 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 4:31 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins
Jacque Vaughn made it clear: Gustavo Ayon will start In Sunday's exhibition in his home country of Mexico.

Not sure if it's because we're playing in Mexico or if it's because Ayon has won that spot.

Could be a bit of both. What harm is there to let a player start in front of his home country, in a position that has to clear starter?

I can't wait for Sunday.

Last Guardian · Post #800 » by **Last Guardian** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 4:45 pm

Can't wait to start watching our youth. This is far more exciting time than the last few years. Unless you like watching old, slow and boring team win 50 games without a chance in hell of winning it all since the best player + roster clearly never good enough to do anything.