James Harden traded to the Rockets

Ayt · Post #541 » by **Ayt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:24 am

oaklandwarriors wrote:
Tirion wrote:You can see who actually understands advanced stats, by their reaction in this thread.

You can see who can't take stats into context. Martin will have no issue getting close to Harden efficiency. Harden's job is so simple and so easy due to his cast that advanced stat lovers fell in love with him. As a #1, prepared for below average league efficiency at around 22ppg. Glorified Monta Ellis.

True. All of Harden's offense was easy off the ball shots. He never initiated the offense. He certainly didn't have the ball in his hands in key moments initiating the offense in the playoffs against the Spurs and Lakers last season. That didn't happen. OKC didn't put the ball in his hands at all during the season, even though he's easilly one of the best play making guards in the entire **** NBA.

:lol:

I love how people who rag on "advanced stats" don't seem to have a basic understanding of the role a player plays on his team. Can you explain Harden's role on OKC, oaklandwarrior?

Guy986 · Post #542 » by **Guy986** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:25 am

Don Draper wrote:
C-izMe wrote:How could they get rid of this obvious first option! Midrange games are sooo overrated.

Also KMart is more effective from everywhere but the rim. And playing with Westbrook/KD can change that fast.

I'd like to know which version of Kevin Martin you guys have watched lately.

These people are under the impression that Kevin Martin has a mid range game.

How many mid range shots has he taken as a rocket?

Don Draper · Post #543 » by **Don Draper** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:25 am

Scubetrolis wrote:This makes no sense for OKC...why wouldn't you play through this season...I don't think James Harden is Kobe, but in order to win, you need to have players like this. Kevin Martin is awful. Draft picks are usually awful. You dream of drafting players like Harden, and now you traded him at like 23 years old. So amazingly dumb.

Rockets lost in this trade too lol...this is the worst big trade. No team really helped themselves. rockets locking up that perennial 7-10 seed though lol.

If the Rockets' picks are protected then I completely agree with this.

Nowitness · Post #544 » by **Nowitness** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:25 am

rsavaj wrote:I did not expect her to be an NBA fan.

Same here, I'd never seen her at an OKC game or talk about basketball before.

C-izMe · Post #545 » by **C-izMe** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:25 am

Don Draper wrote:
C-izMe wrote:How could they get rid of this obvious first option! Midrange games are sooo overrated.

Also KMart is more effective from everywhere but the rim. And playing with Westbrook/KD can change that fast.

I'd like to know which version of Kevin Martin you guys have watched lately.

One lockout season>>>>>>>a whole career

te887848 · Post #546 » by **te887848** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:25 am

OKC will regret the move when they get bounced before the finals in the playoffs this year. They have no chance to win a title now. Too cheap of an organization to keep an ungodly trio of 23 year olds together. :lol:

And lmao at people acting like their return matters. Getting "value" back for a player is only important to non-contending nobody teams like the Magic, Nuggets, Hornets, Jazz, etc who were never in contention for anything meaningful. The Thunder had the league's youngest team poised to contend for the next decade.

20 something pick Perry Jones?!? Jeremy Lamb? Some mid first round picks? Hahahaha. :rofl:

You guys are trying to justify the trade by bringing up a bunch of unproven nobodies. Lamb can be a total flop - if he was that good maybe he would have been taken in the top 10. Who cares about the Toronto pick? Nobody OKC is getting back in this deal is or ever will be remotely close to as good and as perfect of a fit as Harden was. And he was just 23. Harden represented win now AND win for the future. He was a surefire thing and you know for a fact what you'd get out of him, not to mention the potential for improvement at his young age.

Lakers/Heat finals guaranteed.

Part-time Lover · Post #547 » by **Part-time Lover** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:26 am

@People saying Lamb will be a major player, uhmmm smh?

How could he develop into a stud if he's going to play behind Martin and Sefolosha?

I feel bad for the kid. He's got a smooth NBA-ready offensive game, great NBA body and defensive potential but he's not gonna develop properly because of playing in a win-now team like OKC and getting scrap minutes at SG.

TwentyOne920 · Post #548 » by **TwentyOne920** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:26 am

I like this as far as the Spurs' title hopes are concerned. Harden straight up killed SA.

LoneyROY · Post #549 » by **LoneyROY** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:26 am

I can see Harden getting exposed on the Rockets.

Ayt · Post #550 » by **Ayt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:27 am

FlipTSO wrote:OKC should be arrested for grand theft. Martin, Lamb, and 2 1st round picks for a bench player that was going to leave them with nothing. damn. Martin for Harden alone would've been a fair deal. HOU GM is nuts. First overpaying for Lin, now selling the farm for a glorified bench player.

Wow.

Many off the mark things have been said in this thread, but that is definitely near the top.

Lightning25 · Post #551 » by **Lightning25** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:27 am

Part-time Lover wrote:@People saying Lamb will be a major player, uhmmm smh?

How could he develop into a stud if he's going to play behind Martin and Sefolosha?

I feel bad for the kid. He's got a smooth NBA-ready offensive game, great NBA body and defensive potential but he's not gonna develop properly because of playing in a win-now team like OKC and getting scrap minutes at SG.

It's possible that Thabo or Lamb plays SF and backup Durant since Hayward and Cook were both traded to Houston.

I could see Durant playing more stretch 4 this season as well.

Tirion · Post #552 » by **Tirion** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:28 am

te887848 wrote:OKC will regret the move when they get bounced before the finals in the playoffs this year. They have no chance to win a title now. Too cheap of an organization to keep an ungodly trio of 23 year olds together.

And lmao at people acting like their return matters. Getting "value" back for a player is only important to non-contending nobody teams like the Magic, Nuggets, Hornets, Jazz, etc who were never in contention for anything meaningful. The Thunder had the league's youngest team poised to contend for the next decade.

20 something pick Perry Jones?!? Jeremy Lamb? Some mid first round picks? Hahahaha. You guys are trying to justify the trade by bringing up a bunch of unproven nobodies. Lamb can be a total flop - if he was that good maybe he would have been taken in the top 10. Who cares about the Toronto pick? Nobody OKC is getting back in this deal is or ever will be remotely close to as good and as perfect of a fit as Harden was. And he was just 23.

Lakers/Heat finals guaranteed.

Yep. People been fans of sucky teams for so long, they can't think proper.

fart · Post #553 » by **fart** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:28 am

Watch Harden's efficiency drop off big time when he is not playing with Durant and Westbrook anymore. Very overrated guy IMO. Good move by OKC.

Kupchak9 · Post #554 » by **Kupchak9** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:28 am

Part-time Lover wrote:@People saying Lamb will be a major player, uhmmm smh?

How could he develop into a stud if he's going to play behind Martin and Sefolosha?

I feel bad for the kid. He's got a smooth NBA-ready offensive game, great NBA body and defensive potential but he's not gonna develop properly because of playing in a win-now team like OKC and getting scrap minutes at SG.

Lets not forget Westbrook and Durant combining for 35 shots a game. Kid is never gonna be fed the ball, can we say the second coming of Avery Bradley

areg789 · Post #555 » by **areg789** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:28 am

Kevin Durant ‏@KDTrey5
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TwentyOne920 · Post #556 » by **TwentyOne920** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:28 am

What about PJ3 then?

DEEP3CL · Post #557 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:29 am

nuposse04 wrote:Offensively, I consider it a lateral move for OKC. They don't necessarily need Harden's playmaking with Maynor coming back. The cap space should allow them to get solid FA acquisitions plus Lamb is a perfect bench player. Playing with Durant and Westbrook will make life easy for Martin and Lamb. I love this for OKC, and I can see why HOU did it...

Now...just something to consider...if HOU does make it to the playoffs...and LAL does not meet expectations...wouldn't howard be wise to leave the Lakers for Hou? I like a core of

Lin
Harden
Parson
T. Jones
Howard

over a hypothetically underachieving lakers squad. This has big free agency ramifications depending on how it plays out.

I knew this type of post would appear soon........do people use their brains anymore ? This is utterly stupid thinking.

Ayt · Post #558 » by **Ayt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:29 am

TheNewEra wrote:Maynor will still be a play maker for the bench

Not only is he coming off an injury, when has he shown that he's worth anything?

Bertrob · Post #559 » by **Bertrob** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:29 am

Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen

Daryl Morey: “James is the foundational, franchise type player we have been seeking the past few seasons.”

C-izMe · Post #560 » by **C-izMe** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:29 am

Guy986 wrote:
Don Draper wrote:
C-izMe wrote:How could they get rid of this obvious first option! Midrange games are sooo overrated.

Also KMart is more effective from everywhere but the rim. And playing with Westbrook/KD can change that fast.

I'd like to know which version of Kevin Martin you guys have watched lately.

These people are under the impression that Kevin Martin has a mid range game.

How many mid range shots has he taken as a rocket?

Last year he took 6.2 total per game. Harden took 1.8.

The year before he took 6.9. Harden took 1.9.

KMart last year shot 44% from 16-23 on 3 attempts per game. Harden shot 38% on 1 a game.