Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[West Rouge]

It's not BC's fault he hasn't had a chance at drafting a superstar (Maybe Val can approach that, but he's probably a #2), and you can't trade for one unless you're in one of those desireable 4-5 cities. One of which is what is required to be an above mediocre team in the NBA. This league is the worst in professional sports for balance.

Coleangelo knows more about basketball than anyone on this board. As much as that will pain the negative folks around here.

Draft the next Durant.... then we might actually be good again.

Just because the guy dry walling my basement may know more about drywall then me, I can still tell when he is doing a crappy job.

Being hung up on "superstars" is bunk, there are plenty of teams who make the playoffs without them.
Milwaukee has added Ellis, Denver has added Iggy, Minnesota added Kirilenko.
All guys going to "smaller" market teams who are all better then anyone on our wing rotation.

Heck at this point with the money we are throwing at DeRozan, Fields, and Kleiza we may as well have traded expirings and capspace to get Joe Johnson.

16 teams make the playoffs, more teams make the playoffs then teams that don't.
No one is asking for a Championship, but how about a winning season?

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[Ari_Emanuel]

His house of cards is falling down; too many bad deals to count, so little success to show during his tenure. His story/vision is wearing thin with each game they play.

I'd really like this franchise to have a complete makeover, from management to players to announcers to broadcasting team, just tired of this old broken record.

We don't need a total makeover - let's not through the baby out with the bath water. All we need is to cut the fat, which include our GM as well as our overpaid scrubs.

[Ari_Emanuel]

What do you guys think about Casey? Most may disagree but I honestly think he's the coach virsion of Colangalo. Over promises on alot of things and under delivers (i.e. giving minutes to those who deserve it, holding everyone accountable, drafting Ross and claiming he's got tremendous potential, etc.), and then turns around to completely counter his claim, giving Bargnani minutes even when he's craptastic on both ends of the floor while benching players like Ed when they are bringing solid effort on both ends, refuses to play Ross after claiming he was ready to contribute immediately at the draft, playing 2 pg's at the same time when it clearly doesn't work time after time, puts in our 9,10th, 11th man in the starting lineup during close games in the 3rd and fourth quarter (i.e. last night), the list goes on but I just think he's another yes man to Colangalo and shows no signs of improvement especially with his rotations.

Casey deserves this season and maybe a little of next, depending on how things look. He has some flaws, but at the end of the day we would have one 1 or 2 more games so far this year if we had someone better than Fields and Anderson contributing at the 3.

Casey has promise and should get a chance to grow, along with the players. The only caveat is that obviously if a better proven coach suddenly becomes available, then you gotta let him go. That goes for anyone though, whether player, coach or GM.

[garbagnani]

I dont get it. BC gets us Lowry, who by all accounts looks like a total stud, by far BC's best move in ages and you want to fire him now?
jonas looks like a allstar in the making.
THe derozan signing isnt bad at all, if he averages 18ppg he will be very tradeable with that contract.
Sure fields has looked terrible, Toronto has always had a difficult time getting good FA's. Good FA signings have been few and far between in the history of our franchise.

This is just the same old raptors realgm PANAC mode. lose some games lets over react.

[raptorforlife88]

BC just has absolutely no idea how to value players correctly. He's really just given out one ineffective overpaid contract after another and it makes no sense to keep him when he's shown no signs of stopping or getting better at it.

Calderon, Kapono, Turkoglu, Fields, Kleiza have all hurt the team more then help. The Bargnani contract isn't awful, but it wasn't good value either seeing as Bargnani appears to have entirely peaked as a player and looks more like a sixth man then effective starter. We'll have to see how the Derozan contract goes. In that period of time numerous contracts have been signed for similar or lesser values for significantly better players. BC has not been able to get it done.

It's clear that on the whole BC has handed out one bad contract after another and has not been able to effectively build a playoff team.

I'll give him credit in some of his trades. He got Amir Johnson, traded for Lowry and his drafting while not spectacular has been decent. But he just cannot stop himself from handing out **** contracts to mediocre players.

[Morris_Shatford]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad. This is a horrible message to send to your players and the rest of the league at this point. Also it makes us look like clowns: why start the season with him at all if you are going to fire him 4 games in? Why didn't we fire him last summer after the draft? Who sabotages their own season like this? Firing BC now is a horrible idea.

We can really examine this as an option at the trade deadline or next summer. If the team is playing like crap at that point we can fire him, tank (better tank hard or we'll be giving it away!)and bring in a new team with enough time to evaluate the draft. Or we can hold on to him for his drafting ability (he is one the better ones on this front) and fire him right after that and give the new GM all summer to take over the reigns.

4-5 games into the season? Stupid idea.

We would be firing him six seasons and four games into his tenure;
After a 207-274 record,

You're concerned about timing?

Six months ago we had capspace; a lottery pick, and some guys on tradable deals;
Now we have Fields, Ross, and DeRozan's bloated contract, and the Kings second rounder to show for it.

Our final remaining assets are Jose, Davis, and maybe Ross?

If Firing him assures we don't make some boneheaded deal like Jose for Vince and Jones, or another panic move like rolling the dice on Granger or something that will cost us assets or saddle us with another terrible deal tied to a terrible player then you do it now.

If saving us from another BC panic move makes this franchise a subject of "ridicule" because we canned him after burning through an all star PF and a first rounder and two summers of solid cap space and countless expiring contracts wasted then sign me up;

[Too Late Crew]

Sure fields has looked terrible, Toronto has always had a difficult time getting good FA's. Good FA signings have been few and far between in the history of our franchise.

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So we should just excuse BC getting Fields because other Raptor Free agent signings have also been garbage? Uhhmmm who made those other Garbage FA signings like Hedo , Klieza or Kappono? BC!

I know Brian the electrician caused the kitchen to catch fire..but hey rooms in your house have been catching fire for years so he' deserves another chance could happen to anyone. . First the living room then the basement a the attic.

"well who was the electrician in those rooms"

"Uhhmm it was Brian ...."

[Big Shot]

The only mistake BC made in signing Fields into that 19mil contract was he forgot to put a dot in between 1 and 9.

[UN-Owen]

BC has a history of overpaying for mediocre players. He inked Q-Rich to an offer sheet of 48 million over 6 years

That was immediately following a season in which Q shot .398% from the field


Not surprisingly the Clips chose not to match the offer sheet

[UN-Owen]

I just realized that BC has a history of signing players to offer sheets which then aren't matched by the original team

Q-Rich, Jack, Kleiza, Fields

[Lawnmower Man]

Meh.
Timing.
Firing him 4 games into the season says a lot of things about our franchise, all of them bad. This is a horrible message to send to your players and the rest of the league at this point. Also it makes us look like clowns: why start the season with him at all if you are going to fire him 4 games in? Why didn't we fire him last summer after the draft? Who sabotages their own season like this? Firing BC now is a horrible idea.

We can really examine this as an option at the trade deadline or next summer. If the team is playing like crap at that point we can fire him, tank (better tank hard or we'll be giving it away!)and bring in a new team with enough time to evaluate the draft. Or we can hold on to him for his drafting ability (he is one the better ones on this front) and fire him right after that and give the new GM all summer to take over the reigns.

4-5 games into the season? Stupid idea.

We would be firing him six seasons and four games into his tenure;
After a 207-274 record,

You're concerned about timing?

Six months ago we had capspace; a lottery pick, and some guys on tradable deals;
Now we have Fields, Ross, and DeRozan's bloated contract, and the Kings second rounder to show for it.

Our final remaining assets are Jose, Davis, and maybe Ross?

You forgot the -1 lottery pick

[Dr Octagon]

I just realized that BC has a history of signing players to offer sheets which then aren't matched by the original team

Q-Rich, Jack, Kleiza, Fields

Because he only signs scrubs.

[Lawnmower Man]

Sure fields has looked terrible, Toronto has always had a difficult time getting good FA's. Good FA signings have been few and far between in the history of our franchise.

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So we should just excuse BC getting Fields because other Raptor Free agent signings have also been garbage? Uhhmmm who made those other Garbage FA signings like Hedo , Klieza or Kappono? BC!

I know Brian the electrician caused the kitchen to catch fire..but hey rooms in your house have been catching fire for years so he' deserves another chance could happen to anyone. . First the living room then the basement a the attic.

"well who was the electrician in those rooms"

"Uhhmm it was Brian ...."

Brian the Electrician. Setting fires to our house. I love it.

But if we fire him, who's going to be his replacement? There can't possibly be another electrician out there, can there?

[dTox]

I dont get it. BC gets us Lowry, who by all accounts looks like a total stud, by far BC's best move in ages and you want to fire him now?
jonas looks like a allstar in the making.
THe derozan signing isnt bad at all, if he averages 18ppg he will be very tradeable with that contract.
Sure fields has looked terrible, Toronto has always had a difficult time getting good FA's. Good FA signings have been few and far between in the history of our franchise.

This is just the same old raptors realgm PANAC mode. lose some games lets over react.

I'm assuming you became a Raptors fan once Bargnani joined the team..

[SharoneWright]

For picking Val, Ross, Lowry, and Casey? All good decisions.

Bad contract to Fields is bad - but was intended to secure Nash.

He'll dump it anyway.

[Lawnmower Man]

The only mistake BC made in signing Fields into that 19mil contract was he forgot to put a dot in between 1 and 9.

Be happy that it was ONLY $19 million.

I'm just relieved he didn't include a patented 15% BC-trade kicker in that deal.

Then again, who knows. Maybe he did. This details always comes out to us a lot later.

[mad-man]

First time Ive said this. But his time has come and gone. Too many short-sighted moves that have kept us from becoming legit contenders nor worse enough to get high draft picks. If anyone from Bell/Rogers reads this, FIRE HIM now

[Lawnmower Man]

For picking Val, Ross, Lowry, and Casey? All good decisions.

Bad contract to Fields is bad - but was intended to secure Nash.

He'll dump it anyway.

BC spends more time dumping his bad acquisitions than he does, you know, actually building a winner.

I don't need to pay someone $4 million per year to write things down and erase them for the past seven years.

[UN-Owen]

For picking Val, Ross, Lowry, and Casey? All good decisions.

Bad contract to Fields is bad - but was intended to secure Nash.

He'll dump it anyway.

It's a little premature calling the Ross pick a "good decision" when the general consensus has been it was a reach for a player with limited upside

[UN-Owen]

Why is it assumed the Suns would have wanted Fields in a S&T with the Knicks involving Nash?

I never understood that