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Re: Power Ranking peak 

Post#21 » by OrlDave » Tue Dec 4, 2012 8:36 pm

Ok, CBS is up as well. That's most of the ones I know about. Ok, new format on the front page. Removed the commentary, just the facts jack.

Last Edit. Added Bleacher report and SBnation for Monday releases and Yahoo for Tuesday release.
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Re: Power Ranking peak 

Post#22 » by KingRobb02 » Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:03 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:Now, if the Magic are playing close to .500 ball come trade deadline, I wouldn't be surprised Henny making a trade to obtain starting level talent to make that playoff push. That, would be awesome and I could see it happening. But, still gotta take it one game at a time to see what happens as it is a long season.

If he does that, he should be fired immediately. You don't spend all summer telling us you're building for the future and then go all in once you have a couple of good months. Let's face it, we have had an easy schedule. We have only beaten 3 quality teams. The Nuggets on opening night, the Lakers in an emotional performance that is unlikely to be repeated (31 points in 6 mintes?), and last night the Warriors. Every game we lose is by at least 6 points. It's not like we're the Lakers losing on George Hill buzzer beaters or anything. This team is not winning a title this year, so just smile and enjoy the wins and keep planning for the future.


I disagree. If the Magic are a playoff caliber team this and next year, then they could add to this team in 2014 when they have enough cash to obtain even more all-star level talent.

FYI. There are multiple ways to build a team, not just by becoming a bottom feeder for a decade waiting for a superstar.

I'm not advocating bottoming out. I just don't see why we would want to trade assets away with no real hope to win a title. The goal isn't the playoffs, or the second round, it's the championship. Even if this team is able to add Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings this summer, I don't think that paying them 30 million and hoping that Vuc, Moe, and Nicholson all grow is a good plan to reach the top of the East. This team needs to take it's time and grow.
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#23 » by drsd » Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:43 pm

Orlando at 7-10 deserves #20-24 respect.

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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#24 » by Rccanes2311 » Tue Dec 4, 2012 10:02 pm

This season would be a failure if this team made the playoffs. Lottery or bust.
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#25 » by Showbiz Bear » Wed Dec 5, 2012 12:02 am

Rccanes2311 wrote:This season would be a failure if this team made the playoffs. Lottery or bust.


Part of me agrees with you, but the prideful, competitive side wants to hold your head underwater until the bubbles stop (figuratively speaking).
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#26 » by Malik Starks » Wed Dec 5, 2012 4:22 pm

Rccanes2311 wrote:This season would be a failure if this team made the playoffs. Lottery or bust.


The lottery is just that a lottery, not a guarantee of anything. A couple of teams have been built primarily through the draft, many more have gone through a decade or more constant losing seasons, some (like Washington) are still experiencing them. Losing usually just creates more losing.
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#27 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Dec 5, 2012 5:10 pm

Rccanes2311 wrote:This season would be a failure if this team made the playoffs. Lottery or bust.


At the level the Magic are playing, they would be looking at a pick 8-15, but if they make the playoffs, they would be looking at 16-20. I don't think any pick outside the top 5 or 6 is making or breaking any team being that half the players chosen 8-20 don't even stick in the NBA. That is why it is a lottery. Hence, why gamble when you could have a sure thing as in a profitable business via playoffs after what happened with the Dwight fiasco?

I would take the playoffs any day of the week just to Prove to Everyone Else in the NBA they were Wrong about the Magic.!
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#28 » by drsd » Wed Dec 5, 2012 8:43 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I don't think any pick outside the top 5 or 6 is making .... any team ....


I do not think any player in the top 5 will either.

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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#29 » by tranjSAIC » Wed Dec 5, 2012 9:20 pm

This year's draft is pretty weak so I don't care if the Magic aim for the playoffs. Next year we better be in tank mode or else! Wiggins or bust for me!
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#30 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Dec 5, 2012 10:10 pm

tranjSAIC wrote:This year's draft is pretty weak so I don't care if the Magic aim for the playoffs. Next year we better be in tank mode or else! Wiggins or bust for me!


Wiggins will be a bust. And, there is about no chance the Magic will get Wiggins or the 1st overall pick.
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Post#31 » by Rccanes2311 » Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:40 am

I can understand wanting us to win, but winning is the worst thing for this franchise. It's just going to be another decade of mediocrity. The goal was rise above that. We should've fielded a damn D-league squad and guaranteed a top 5 pick this year.
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#32 » by OrlDave » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:03 pm

Just a quick bump. I have added the Monday releases for this week on the first page. We are ranked 21st to 23rd in the various rankings.
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#33 » by Reverse_Angle » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:22 pm

OrlDave wrote:Just a quick bump. I have added the Monday releases for this week on the first page. We are ranked 21st to 23rd in the various rankings.


it is a good idea to combine all such information in a single thread, though i feel the first post might get crowded after a while. maybe posting them both in the first page AND as a separate post --instead of just writing "bump for new info--" for every update would be helpful.

nevertheless, really good idea, keep up the good work.
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#34 » by OrlDave » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:19 am

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OrlDave wrote:Just a quick bump. I have added the Monday releases for this week on the first page. We are ranked 21st to 23rd in the various rankings.


it is a good idea to combine all such information in a single thread, though i feel the first post might get crowded after a while. maybe posting them both in the first page AND as a separate post --instead of just writing "bump for new info--" for every update would be helpful.

nevertheless, really good idea, keep up the good work.


Alright. Can do. I'm not planning on maintaining multiple weeks on the first page (as a note). Once all of this week's are in I plan to delete the previous week, otherwise it could become a very long first post. Your idea is good though, then the previous weeks get immortalized within the thread.
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Post#35 » by magicmamma » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:56 am

I'd like it better if you just put the new rankings at the end of the thread. It won't be hard to find and makes it easier for people to respond. You could make a note on the first post that said "New Ratings (date) (thread page)."
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#36 » by drsd » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:56 am

Rccanes2311 wrote:.... winning is the worst thing for this franchise.


These comments make my stomach turn. Bad teams stay bad for more than a decade. The new CBA will cause an intrinsic change on how to build a roster; none of us fans understand that fully. We must have heart in GM Hennigan's vision.

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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#37 » by KingRobb02 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:04 pm

drsd wrote:
Rccanes2311 wrote:.... winning is the worst thing for this franchise.


These comments make my stomach turn. Bad teams stay bad for more than a decade. The new CBA will cause an intrinsic change on how to build a roster; none of us fans understand that fully. We must have heart in GM Hennigan's vision.

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Bad teams that continue to make bad decisions stay bad for a decade. Besides this isn't really true. Which team hasn't made the playoffs in the past 10 years? I would even say that most teams have been in the playoffs since 2006. The only one I can think of is the Wolves, and that's mostly because they handles the KG situation so poorly.

Not saying we should bottom out, just tired of people who think the bad teams are the same every year. The NBA's socialist system of rewarding teams for being horrible makes sure that the Lebrons and Kyries of the world end up in Cleveland. Teams like Charlotte flame out quickly because they trade Tyson Chandler for for Matt Carroll, Erick Dampier, Eduardo Najera. They trade Gerald Wallace for Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks, Joel Przybilla. This is why they are bad. Their draft picks aren't to blame.
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#38 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:22 pm

The odds are more in favor in bottom feeding teams staying at the bottom than becoming elite. We see Memphis and OKC, but also watched Charlotte, Wolves and Clippers blow for a decade before getting lucky. And, Memphis didn't just draft their players, but made effective trades and signings. So, the Draft isn't the sole reason teams become winners. Efficient roster management is. This Magic team has good youth plus a few extra draft picks then mad Free Agent money in two years.

Thus, the Magic could actually be a solid deep playoff team in 3-4 years without even being in the lottery.
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Post#39 » by KingRobb02 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:42 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:The odds are more in favor in bottom feeding teams staying at the bottom than becoming elite. We see Memphis and OKC, but also watched Charlotte, Wolves and Clippers blow for a decade before getting lucky. And, Memphis didn't just draft their players, but made effective trades and signings. So, the Draft isn't the sole reason teams become winners. Efficient roster management is. This Magic team has good youth plus a few extra draft picks then mad Free Agent money in two years.

Thus, the Magic could actually be a solid deep playoff team in 3-4 years without even being in the lottery.

The odds are also against middling teams getting to elite or even the elite teams stating elite. There are only 3 or 4 elite teams in any given season, so it would make sense that not many bad teams make it to elite. People just have short memories. The Clippers didn't blow for a decade. This decade alone, they have had the Lamar Odom/Darius Miles/Elton Brand mini-surge that got them close to the playoffs, they had the Sam Cassell/Elton Brand team that made the semis, and most recently they have the Griffin CP team. That is three times that one bottom feeder came up in the past 10 years. The Brand trade was huge in two of those rises, but that was able to happen because they had the #2 pick.

You talk about effective trades and signings, but these trades and signing happen because of draft picks. Do the clippers get Chris Paul if they don't draft Eric Gordon? Do the Knicks get the Carmelo trade without Gallo, Chandler, and Mozgov? Does Deron Williams get traded without Favors? Does Brooklyn get Dwight Howard without Broo... nevermind. The draft isn't about finding a franchise guy, it's about acquiring young guys on cheap deals that can help a team.
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Re: Power Ranking 

Post#40 » by OrlDave » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:15 pm

(See my notes at the bottom, and a bonus crappy Bleacher Report Report Card)

Power Rankings for 12/3-12/10 (12/4-12/11)

Monday Releases:

ESPN: Stein (Magic Rank 21, previously 20)

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings/_/year/2013/week/6

NBA.com: Schuhmann (Magic Rank 21, previous 23)

http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/?ls=iref:nbahpt6b

NBCsports/Probasketballtalk: Helin: (Magic Rank 22, Previous 25)

www.probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com

Bleacher Report: Strauss (Magic Rank 23, Previous 23)

www.bleacherreport.com

SBNation.com: Rosenthal (Magic Rank 21, Previous 23)

www.sbnation.com


Tuesday Releases:

Foxsports: Amico (Magic Rank 22, Previous 25)

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/powerRankings

Cbssports.com: Moore (Magic Rank 24, Previous Rank 23)

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/powerrankings

Sports.Yahoo.com: Spears (Magic Rank 22, Previous 22)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-power- ... 18152.html

Highest Weekly Rank in Bold, Lowest in Italics.

Notes: 1) After some suggestions I have decided to post these within the thread and just make an annotation on the first page. Many of these links are same link week to week and the previous ranking is just wiped, whereas a few have a new link for each week. In either case, you'll be able to at least see my Magic Rank number for each successive week.
2) Hollinger (the daily computer style ranking) is down again. Not sure what is up.
3) If you get a chance read the SBnation ranking and explain his comment. 0-0 with Jameer? Maybe he's making a joke I don't get.
4) CBS has us the lowest, but I think their comment is pretty funny.

As promised, a horrible Bleacher Report Report Card. In his grading, any team playing above expectation gets a B or better, yet we, somehow get a D+. He also goes on to say (paraphrase) "we are horrible and he never wants to watch us again." Apparently our "one saving grace" is that we went 3-2 on a West Coast swing. How quickly we forget this team was predicted to win 20 or less games this season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1439 ... on/page/23

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