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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#41 » by nate33 » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:30 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Trade for Cousins, tank for Noel, and hire Calipari in the offseason? We'd be "Kentucky North"!

Also, trade Nene for Eric Bledsoe and Lamar Odom.
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#42 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:41 pm

tontoz wrote:Cousins' scoring efficiency is about equal to Crawford. Considering how big Cousins is that is horrible. No thanks. The last thing this team needs is an inefficient chucker with an attitude problem.


One thing to consider is that a lot of cousin's missed shots come from hurried put backs because he is such a good offensive rebounder.

Edit* holy hell! I just looked at his advanced stats and you may be right tontoz. Those are some god awful shooting numbers..
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#43 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:44 pm

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LyricalRico wrote:Trade for Cousins, tank for Noel, and hire Calipari in the offseason? We'd be "Kentucky North"!

Also, trade Nene for Eric Bledsoe and Lamar Odom.

:lol: Might as well add Patrick Patterson and Daniel Orton too.
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#44 » by LyricalRico » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:49 pm

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LyricalRico wrote:Trade for Cousins, tank for Noel, and hire Calipari in the offseason? We'd be "Kentucky North"!

Also, trade Nene for Eric Bledsoe and Lamar Odom.


Oh snap, forgot about that one! Could Calipari make a 3-guard offense work in the pros?

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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#45 » by Illuminaire » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:07 am

LyricalRico wrote:Oh snap, forgot about that one! Could Calipari make a 3-guard offense work in the pros?

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If nothing else, that would be a really fun team to watch.
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#46 » by Wizardspride » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:22 am

LyricalRico wrote:Trade for Cousins, tank for Noel, and hire Calipari in the offseason? We'd be "Kentucky North"!

There's no way you're getting Cousins without giving up this years' number one. Period.

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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#47 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:26 am

dangermouse wrote:We got rid of all our crazy and we are 3-22

Perhaps what this team needs is some crazy


DeMarcus Cousins is switching agents. His new agent is reportedly going to be Dan Fegan. Why do I mention that? Some Fegan clients include former Wizards Gilbert Arenas, Jarvis Hayes, Yi Jianlian. Cousins' new agent has previously brought the Wizards a great (early) Christmas present.

Arenas accepts Wizards’ offer of $60M+
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OAKLAND, Calif. – Coveted Golden State Warriors point guard Gilbert Arenas has signed an offer sheet to play for the Washington Wizards, according to reports.

The former University of Arizona player opted for a $60 million-plus offer from the Wizards, the San Francisco Chronicle reported in today’s editions, citing the player’s father.

“I don’t know if the story’s hit yet, but he made his choice to Washington,” Gilbert Arenas Sr. said last night from his home in Los Angeles County.

Dan Fegan, Arenas’ agent, told ESPN.com: “He has signed the (Wizards’) offer sheet.”


Crazier things have already happened with a young phenom choosing to play for the Wizards.

I think there is suddenly a pretty decent possibility DeMarcus Cousins and his agent find a way to DC.
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#48 » by Mr. Grundle » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:02 am

I'm with CCJ on this one. I don't give up Seraphin for Cousins. Cousins is a better passer and will always be a better rebounder, but Seraphin will be the better overall offensive player. Kevin is one of the few young players we have who continues to improve. This hook shot will soon be an unstoppable move and he's developing a nice little mid range jumper. I think he'll only get better and will eventually learn how to draw contact and get to the line.

Cousins is exactly the same player he was in college. A hothead who gets what he gets due to brute size and strength. He has no touch and little skill offensively. And if you think being on the same team with John Wall is suddenly going to calm his psyche then you are the crazy one.

Taking a chance on Cousins for Okafor or Vesely is a different story. I'd even do Nene before Seraphin. I really think Seraphin is being undervalued. He's a young big that can score and continues to improve, he's just forcing the issue a little more than he should be now due to us not having any other options.
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#49 » by Nivek » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:26 am

I think Cousins is probably fool's gold. Bad attitude, high usage, awful efficiency. Not a winning combination. But, I'd trade anyone on the Wizards roster except Beal, a 1st round pick and Wall to get him. Why not? No one on the roster is a long-term asset at this point. Effectively, the Wizards would be trading nothing for the possibility of something. Once here, I'd try to modify Cousins' game to something more like what Chandler does. No reason for him to shoot so much and commit so many turnovers. The rest of his game would be an asset if he could improve his efficiency or at least cut down on the wasted possessions.
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#50 » by montestewart » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:00 am

As a longtime Bullets/Wizards fan, I can easily see Cousins coming to the Wizards, tearing it up while waiting for his buddy Wall to recover, Wall starting pretty good when he comes back next year, then looking great by year's end, Cousins/Wall looking like a great inside/outside combo. the team making some noise in the playoffs, taking a top team to seven from their low seed, the two of them signed to big contracts, Wall reinjuring his knee and never showing much of anything again, Cousins becoming a big-psycho pain, getting injured himself, it all looking like a rewind of Oden/Roy (but more expensive and far less humble), and...where's that take us to, 2019? Good times!
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Post#51 » by AFM » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:05 am

Sign me up. Better than watching Okafor brick 14 footers.
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Post#52 » by nate33 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:12 am

Nivek wrote:I think Cousins is probably fool's gold. Bad attitude, high usage, awful efficiency. Not a winning combination. But, I'd trade anyone on the Wizards roster except Beal, a 1st round pick and Wall to get him. Why not? No one on the roster is a long-term asset at this point. Effectively, the Wizards would be trading nothing for the possibility of something. Once here, I'd try to modify Cousins' game to something more like what Chandler does. No reason for him to shoot so much and commit so many turnovers. The rest of his game would be an asset if he could improve his efficiency or at least cut down on the wasted possessions.

Exactly. Seraphin isn't exactly setting the world on fire with his play. If that's all it takes to acquire Cousins, then make it happen.

Also, in addition to Wall, I think one advantage we'll have at keeping Cousins in line is Nene. In Sacramento, Cousins pretty much does what he wants because he knows they have no other alternatives. That's not the case in Washington. If Cousins jacks up a bunch of low percentage shots, Wittman can simply bench him and play Nene more at center. Sooner or later, Cousins will probably learn the lesson.
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#53 » by AFM » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:15 am

I think our motto for next season should be "NOTHING TO LOSE"
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#54 » by nate33 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:16 am

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LyricalRico wrote:Trade for Cousins, tank for Noel, and hire Calipari in the offseason? We'd be "Kentucky North"!

There's no way you're getting Cousins without giving up this years' number one. Period.

Nonsense.

Cousins was only a #5 pick himself. Now he's in the 3rd year of his rookie deal and is still a woefully inconsistent and low efficiency player. Based on production and contract alone, his value is less than the original #5 pick it took to draft him. Then factor the attitude and his value drops considerably more.

Nobody else is going to offer a top 4 pick to trade for Cousins, so why should we?
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Post#55 » by Nivek » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:32 am

Just took a look at Cousins' shot location stats. The numbers are just preposterous. That whole coaching staff should be fired for these numbers.

As a rookie, Cousins attempted 4.6 long 2s (16-23 feet) per 40 minutes. He shot 37%. That's bad. In fact, his percentages from anywhere but at-rim were terrible, and even his at-rim numbers weren't terribly impressive for a guy of his size. But, the point is -- he should have been told at that point to stop shooting so many long jumpers.

Season two: 5.0 long 2s per 40 minutes at 40%. Still not good enough. Definitely at that point should have been told to stop shooting so many long jumpers.

This season: 5.9 long 2s per 40 minutes at 30%. His minutes have remained steady.

Like I said above -- probably fool's gold, but the Wizards don't have anyone as promising. Trade anyone except Beal, a 1st round pick and/or Wall to get him.
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Re: Kings Suspend Cousins Indefinitely 

Post#56 » by DCZards » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:37 am

Mr. Grundle wrote:I'm with CCJ on this one. I don't give up Seraphin for Cousins. Cousins is a better passer and will always be a better rebounder, but Seraphin will be the better overall offensive player. Kevin is one of the few young players we have who continues to improve. This hook shot will soon be an unstoppable move and he's developing a nice little mid range jumper. I think he'll only get better and will eventually learn how to draw contact and get to the line.

Cousins is exactly the same player he was in college. A hothead who gets what he gets due to brute size and strength. He has no touch and little skill offensively. And if you think being on the same team with John Wall is suddenly going to calm his psyche then you are the crazy one.

Taking a chance on Cousins for Okafor or Vesely is a different story. I'd even do Nene before Seraphin. I really think Seraphin is being undervalued. He's a young big that can score and continues to improve, he's just forcing the issue a little more than he should be now due to us not having any other options.


I totally agree with your take on Seraphin vs. Cousins. I'd like to know exactly what Cousins did to get himself suspended "indefinitely" before bringing him into the Zards locker room, especially if you're talking about giving up KS or a first round pick.
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Post#57 » by dangermouse » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:51 am

Whatever he did.... the only reason we shouldn't be interested in him is if he popped out a gold plated Desert Eagle and waved it around in the locker rooms.
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Post#58 » by nate33 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:18 am

Nivek wrote:Just took a look at Cousins' shot location stats. The numbers are just preposterous. That whole coaching staff should be fired for these numbers.

As a rookie, Cousins attempted 4.6 long 2s (16-23 feet) per 40 minutes. He shot 37%. That's bad. In fact, his percentages from anywhere but at-rim were terrible, and even his at-rim numbers weren't terribly impressive for a guy of his size. But, the point is -- he should have been told at that point to stop shooting so many long jumpers.

Season two: 5.0 long 2s per 40 minutes at 40%. Still not good enough. Definitely at that point should have been told to stop shooting so many long jumpers.

This season: 5.9 long 2s per 40 minutes at 30%. His minutes have remained steady.

Like I said above -- probably fool's gold, but the Wizards don't have anyone as promising. Trade anyone except Beal, a 1st round pick and/or Wall to get him.

Nivek, is 40% on long 2's really such a bad number for a big man? Last time I checked, most decent jumpshooting bigs shoot in the 38-43 range from 16-23 feet. Cousin's rookie numbers are actually pretty respectable. .

Hell, Bradley Beal shoots 40% from 16-23 feet while attempting 5.2 shots per 40 minutes. And he's a friggin shooting guard.

I agree that his numbers this year are awful. 5.9 attempts is ridiculous unless you're a top tier shooter like Dirk or Ryan Anderson.
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Post#59 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:44 pm

Nivek wrote:I think Cousins is probably fool's gold. Bad attitude, high usage, awful efficiency. Not a winning combination. But, I'd trade anyone on the Wizards roster except Beal, a 1st round pick and Wall to get him. Why not? No one on the roster is a long-term asset at this point. Effectively, the Wizards would be trading nothing for the possibility of something. Once here, I'd try to modify Cousins' game to something more like what Chandler does. No reason for him to shoot so much and commit so many turnovers. The rest of his game would be an asset if he could improve his efficiency or at least cut down on the wasted possessions.


Nivek, In addition to keeping Wall, Beal, and this years 1st round pick, I would also keep Nene and Seraphin.

Kevin first attracted NBA scouts starring against Wall and Cousins. They are all in the same age range and they have a mutual respect for each others' abilities. The three can be decent together. Kevin is a shot blocker who would work very well with Cousins. Cousins can rebound when Seraphin takes sera-seflish shots. I would want Nene there as the big brother/father figure like Rasheed Wallace is for many younger players. I also want Nene because he's the best player of them all right now. Further, Nene once had a real nasty streak -- I think he's a perfect influence on Cousins.

Ideally, the Wizards would keep Wall, Beal, their 2013 1st, Seraphin, Nene, and Vesely and lose Okafor's contract while bringing in Cousins. I still think Vesely is a useful utility player.
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Post#60 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:45 pm

I agree with those who say trade Nene before Seraphin, BTW.

It would almost certainly better IMO to keep Nene with DeMarcus, but if Nene ends up being the piece that brings Boogie to DC, then I guess Okafor in the mentor role will have to do. It is NOT the way to go, though, and I believe they would take Okafor's good health, shorter deal, and a 2014 1st over Nene.

I'd give up an Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randle or the Harrison twins if it would buy a couple years of good to great Wizards with a solid rotation moving forward.

(PS -- Despite all Cousins speculation, my 1st choice would be to send Wall to Sacramento and to get the Kings' lotto pick(s) instead of bringing Cousins to DC. His three team suspensions along with Wall's knee/future all concern me.)

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