Trade Felton

[21shumpshumpst]

So "jerk off" is a swear and if my language was that bad the words would be censored.

More so a mods job to limit your non-contributing post than lock a topic where true fans are discussing a chink in the armor of the knicks.

Felton's defense actually hasn't been terrible. I mean 90% of NBA point guards can penetrate to the basket, and that is done often. Felton needs to look to make others better.

Stay classy nykballa

I agree with that feltons D hasn't been terrible its been average big thing he needs to do is move the ball better. can't be having two assists or three assists over the last few games that is bad.

Don't listen to this guy he is a troll. He is a Lin fan not a Knicks fan no matter what his username says.

LMAO you are to much kid I joined this board before you did but okay. And I love how you accuse me of nonsense when there is some guy uttering racially insensitive stuff a few posts above. get your priorities straight.

Felton has always been a crappy pg. Who else does he make plays for besides Tyson?

Ever heard of a hockey assist? We are 20-7 and second in the east. He can't be that crappy.

every PG has hockey assists we are winning in spite of Ray not because of ray. actually we are winning because melo is playing at the 4 spot.

You joined in June of this year. When you thought Lin was staying. GTFO with this garbage. You are a Lin fan not a Knick fan. You have not been around at all since Lin was scrubbing it up. Now all of a sudden you show up when Lin FINALLY puts up a string of good games. Congrats. Obvious troll is obvious.

As far as this thread. Seriously we are 20-7 and people want the starting pg WHO IS INJURED of a 20-7 team to get traded. ROFL.

Yes felton needs to improve in a lot of areas. I have been critical of him lately. But to make dumb threads like these smh. Some of you just need something to complain about.

Let him heal. Let the team be fully healthy so the scoring burden is not on him. If he is still throwing up 19/20 shots a game then lets revisit this topic.

[yaboynyp]

Damn and I thought my girl was emotional.. smh

[Kampuchea]

Yup, the OP stated felton is holding the team back.

So I guess we should be better than 20-7 according to the OP.

maybe 21-6 due to his bad game against Nets, but of course we have won games he helped in also.

Do people realize that Felton-Chandler is the top alley-oop combo in the NBA? He has been playing well and his shot has always been streaky. He will go on a tear soon, maybe starting against Nash trying to defend him

[Thugger HBC]

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Two questions......

1)If Felton were to stop shooting as much who would you prefer to take those shots right now?

2) Are you aware that Felton reducing his shots right now would make the defense tougher on the one guy who can?

Don't know whats funny about JR running the offense, he's actually good at it.

He should have been starting since day one, and I 'd guarantee if he did, Felton wouldn't take 16 shots per game.

1) for one felton could run the PNR a little bit more with tyson, some teams are really good at stopping that so if felton has to shoot why not attack the basket for a more efficient shot or shoot a 3 as opposed to a 2 or a fadeaway, or pass to Kidd or Novak or JR etc

2) he can still take smarter shots attack the basket take 3's run the pnr game. if his shots aren't falling do other things, be more aggreisve on defense, actively hunt for rebounds, rack up steals etc. Look at what JR did in the last game he had like 6 rebounds 4 assists and 16 points. the previous game a double double. felton needs to be more versatile & impact the game in multiple ways aside from just shooting.

3) nothing is funny with JR running the offense the fact that he does a better job at it than felton is hilarious. in the minny game JR was actually looking to run the offense whereas felton was shooting & shooting & shooting

I am more than willing to admit that I was wrong on a few things this summer, JR is one of them he has been so good for us & Kidd is another aside from his defense his impact on the team is huge. but felton has been what i expected of him, very meh.

So basically you're saying that is feltons shot isn't falling he isn't doing anything else?

Let's get that point settled.

[Thugger HBC]

Yup, the OP stated felton is holding the team back.

So I guess we should be better than 20-7 according to the OP.

maybe 21-6 due to his bad game against Nets, but of course we have won games he helped in also.

Do people realize that Felton-Chandler is the top alley-oop combo in the NBA? He has been playing well and his shot has always been streaky. He will go on a tear soon, maybe starting against Nash trying to defend him

Yup, take away the Spurs road game and it evens it out as an example.

I really do feel some are complaining just to be doing so.

I've yet to see a single argument on how Felton hurts the team so bad he should be traded.

[gavran]

You've already given that felton is a good fit, so what really is the issue?

I think you greatly misunderstand me, I have no issues with Felton. I mean, of course I have, he is not perfect, but I don't want him traded, matter of fact, I called out posters who do. I'm defending Felton here. I was merely reacting with a bit of sarcasm (like I always do) to this post:

Above average? I can name 10 better than him EASY. The next 10 are all fairly interchangeable.

[knicksnyk]

Yeah I got confused in the first paragraph, meant to just say TD. Also, I just assumed that since Lin was guarding Greene there that the Rockets realize he is bad on defense so they try to mask it. Since I don't follow the Rockets, I can't say a lot about Lin or the team this year. However, last year Lin showed that he just doesn't have the lateral quickness to keep up with NBA PGs, which isn't something you can fix in the offseason. Here are just some examples of crappy Lin D.

Even if Nate is the only one who can stop himself, it's nice when you have a bad defender guarding you and you can get good looks at the basket.

I agree there, Brewer has definitely lost a step. Kidd's only saving grace on D is that he can guard the bigger guards well like Joe Johnson when he wants to post up. Even if Felton struggles to guard the PnR, that's something every guard has trouble with. At least Felton can stay in front of most PGs if there's no screen there, something Lin cannot do.

Why are we talking about him as a Knick? i said that he had his struggles defensively but this year he is a lot better. You don't watch the rockets this year so you don't know what you are talking about (as you admitted) that is why you keep bringing up last year maybe u should stop. And yes you can improve your lateral quickness in the offseason it is called exercise. Tony allen for example tore his acl so he spent rehab working to regain back his lateral quickness (he lost it after he had major knee surgery), shump will likely be doing the same. If you play any sport you would know that you can improve your lateral quickness

and you are still wrong on nate. he torched the entire miami defense are we going to say LBJ Wade Chalmers are bad defenders? Really. and no ray can't stay in front of a PG if there is no screen there we saw this over the last few games against kyrie, lawson, kemba, JJ, deron etc. the only player on the Knicks that can stay in front of a PG without a screen is Shump & ray doesn't have shump level defense he just doesnt.

[21shumpshumpst]

Yup, the OP stated felton is holding the team back.

So I guess we should be better than 20-7 according to the OP.

maybe 21-6 due to his bad game against Nets, but of course we have won games he helped in also.

Do people realize that Felton-Chandler is the top alley-oop combo in the NBA? He has been playing well and his shot has always been streaky. He will go on a tear soon, maybe starting against Nash trying to defend him

Yup, take away the Spurs road game and it evens it out as an example.

I really do feel some are complaining just to be doing so.

I've yet to see a single argument on how Felton hurts the team so bad he should be traded.

Bold is the whole reason for this thread.

Felton is not a superstar but he is a starting pg in the league who has won us games this season. Has he stunk it up as of late? Yes. But that is because he is injured.

Also, he has had to take on a bigger burden in scoring in December due to the multiple injuries this team has had.

20-7 guys. 4th best record in the league WITHOUT our full squad healthy. 1 1/2 games off the best record in the league. What are we complaining about again?

[Workforce250]

I recalled one post game interview that Tyson called Felton one of the leaders on the team after a great game by the point guard.
Perhaps Tyson knows a thing or two about a thing or two.

[JustaKnickFan]

Yeah I got confused in the first paragraph, meant to just say TD. Also, I just assumed that since Lin was guarding Greene there that the Rockets realize he is bad on defense so they try to mask it. Since I don't follow the Rockets, I can't say a lot about Lin or the team this year. However, last year Lin showed that he just doesn't have the lateral quickness to keep up with NBA PGs, which isn't something you can fix in the offseason. Here are just some examples of crappy Lin D.

Even if Nate is the only one who can stop himself, it's nice when you have a bad defender guarding you and you can get good looks at the basket.

I agree there, Brewer has definitely lost a step. Kidd's only saving grace on D is that he can guard the bigger guards well like Joe Johnson when he wants to post up. Even if Felton struggles to guard the PnR, that's something every guard has trouble with. At least Felton can stay in front of most PGs if there's no screen there, something Lin cannot do.

Why are we talking about him as a Knick? i said that he had his struggles defensively but this year he is a lot better. You don't watch the rockets this year so you don't know what you are talking about (as you admitted) that is why you keep bringing up last year maybe u should stop. And yes you can improve your lateral quickness in the offseason it is called exercise. Tony allen for example tore his acl so he spent rehab working to regain back his lateral quickness (he lost it after he had major knee surgery), shump will likely be doing the same. If you play any sport you would know that you can improve your lateral quickness

and you are still wrong on nate. he torched the entire miami defense are we going to say LBJ Wade Chalmers are bad defenders? Really. and no ray can't stay in front of a PG if there is no screen there we saw this over the last few games against kyrie, lawson, kemba, JJ, deron etc. the only player on the Knicks that can stay in front of a PG without a screen is Shump & ray doesn't have shump level defense he just doesnt.

I use those Knicks examples because there really isn't any clips of him as a Rocket when he's playing defense right now. You don't just go from awful lateral quickness to solid lateral quickness in an offseason, especially when you were injured in that offseason. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Lin's improved so much that he's now an average defender, and one at the same level that Felton is.

So Nate had one game where he was hot. JL3 also torched the entire defense, does that mean he's an unguardable player where he can only stop himself? Also, you're making blind statements now. Give me some examples where Felton gets burned on isolations, because whenever I see PGs go Iso against him, they almost always end up settling for jumpers.

[nykballa2k4]

Above average don't equal all star or great it's just that above average. To me the guys you mentioned in discussion with ray are all above average.

So by above average, you mean middle-grade starting point guard? There are 30 "starting level" point guards in the league. AKA 30 "top 30" point guards. As I mentioned there are 10 that are above Felton w/o argument. Then there are a few more who are more than likely better. Then I rattled off about 10+ more point guards who are possibly better, but you can make arguments for Felton. To me, it is clear Ray is AT BEST the 15th "best" point guard in the league, which is also saying 16th "worst" starting point guard. I have him around #24 overall, but again that is more of a "to each his own".

My ranking at 24 though, is why I see room for improvement to say someone who I have in that top 20. You have him probably closer to that 15 mark, meaning by in large, no trade really is an improvement in your eyes. That is ultimately the purpose of this thread, to gauge where we, as fans rank Felton.

Think we would all agree to the following:

If there was a fantasy-esque trade where we could deal out Shumpert, Felton, Amare for Paul and spare parts (lets call these spare parts Tyrus Thomas and Diop) I would LOVE to do it. (Might require some blackmailing of CHA and LAC, but still)

[Pharmcat]

what happened in this thread

the team is 20-7 while missing 2 starters, including a max cat

cant we all be happy?

[Thugger HBC]

Above average don't equal all star or great it's just that above average. To me the guys you mentioned in discussion with ray are all above average.

So by above average, you mean middle-grade starting point guard? There are 30 "starting level" point guards in the league. AKA 30 "top 30" point guards. As I mentioned there are 10 that are above Felton w/o argument. Then there are a few more who are more than likely better. Then I rattled off about 10+ more point guards who are possibly better, but you can make arguments for Felton. To me, it is clear Ray is AT BEST the 15th "best" point guard in the league, which is also saying 16th "worst" starting point guard. I have him around #24 overall, but again that is more of a "to each his own".

My ranking at 24 though, is why I see room for improvement to say someone who I have in that top 20. You have him probably closer to that 15 mark, meaning by in large, no trade really is an improvement in your eyes. That is ultimately the purpose of this thread, to gauge where we, as fans rank Felton.

Think we would all agree to the following:

If there was a fantasy-esque trade where we could deal out Shumpert, Felton, Amare for Paul and spare parts (lets call these spare parts Tyrus Thomas and Diop) I would LOVE to do it. (Might require some blackmailing of CHA and LAC, but still)

Come on guy...... 24?

There aren't 24 pg that would as successful with this squad.

[thebuzzardman]

Felton is what he is. Some of you got your hopes too high and now your disappointed. He's an above average NBA starting point. He is capable of having great games but over time he regresses to his mean. For what we are paying him, he is good value. We have Kidd and Pablo there to make up for his holes. I agree he is shooting too much but that should go down a bit when Amar'e and Shump are here.

To add I think the Felton v Lin comparison are starting to get a little cliche and silly. Lin is barely in his true sophmore season in NBA, he is still a relatively unknown quantity whereas Felton is what he is. I do think many overrate Felton's D however. He is okay nothing special defensively. I find his issue is not so much height as he is stocky and can make up for that with his leg strength, his issue is he can't stay with many of the quicker guards.

Get out of here with your common sense!

[21shumpshumpst]

what happened in this thread

the team is 20-7 while missing 2 starters, including a max cat

cant we all be happy?

No sir we cannot this here be the Knicks forum.

[MaseInYourFace]

Justaknick, I don't know what games you have been watching quicker guards have been blowing by Felton and the rest of our guards the whole season. The only guy healthy on the roster right now that can somewhat stay with them is JR but he usually ends up getting in foul trouble because of it. Felton is so overrated defensively on this board.

[thebuzzardman]

what happened in this thread

the team is 20-7 while missing 2 starters, including a max cat

cant we all be happy?

What happened is there a poster in here who can't be satisfied with any PG on the Knicks who's not named Lin, but won't really just come out and say it.

We get it, said poster. You love Lin. We'll chip in and buy you a used Lin jockstrap to sniff for Christmas, so your hero can always be close in your thoughts.

[knicksnyk]

I use those Knicks examples because there really isn't any clips of him as a Rocket when he's playing defense right now. You don't just go from awful lateral quickness to solid lateral quickness in an offseason, especially when you were injured in that offseason. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Lin's improved so much that he's now an average defender, and one at the same level that Felton is.

So Nate had one game where he was hot. JL3 also torched the entire defense, does that mean he's an unguardable player where he can only stop himself? Also, you're making blind statements now. Give me some examples where Felton gets burned on isolations, because whenever I see PGs go Iso against him, they almost always end up settling for jumpers.

LOL but you admitted you don't watch the rockets so how would you know? You are contradicting yourself & openly admitting that you are talking about something you know nothing about because you don't watch.

Okay so do this. Find the Lin highlights against Minnesota from last season. It is called Jeremy Lin TimberWolves vs Knicks Highlights 02.11.2012
Around the 2 minute 30 second mark JJ barea tries to beat Lin off the dribble without the screen. See how Lin does defensively Clyde points it out & there is even a replay. I am not posting the video here if you want to see it check your self.

Opposing players score 0.89 PPP in isolation against Felton, against Lin 0.69PPP in isolation. Felton ranks 84th in the NBA in defending iso's Lin ranks 36th. those are your examples.

[MaseInYourFace]

Above average don't equal all star or great it's just that above average. To me the guys you mentioned in discussion with ray are all above average.

So by above average, you mean middle-grade starting point guard? There are 30 "starting level" point guards in the league. AKA 30 "top 30" point guards. As I mentioned there are 10 that are above Felton w/o argument. Then there are a few more who are more than likely better. Then I rattled off about 10+ more point guards who are possibly better, but you can make arguments for Felton. To me, it is clear Ray is AT BEST the 15th "best" point guard in the league, which is also saying 16th "worst" starting point guard. I have him around #24 overall, but again that is more of a "to each his own".

My ranking at 24 though, is why I see room for improvement to say someone who I have in that top 20. You have him probably closer to that 15 mark, meaning by in large, no trade really is an improvement in your eyes. That is ultimately the purpose of this thread, to gauge where we, as fans rank Felton.

Think we would all agree to the following:

If there was a fantasy-esque trade where we could deal out Shumpert, Felton, Amare for Paul and spare parts (lets call these spare parts Tyrus Thomas and Diop) I would LOVE to do it. (Might require some blackmailing of CHA and LAC, but still)

Ehh to be honest I haven't really taken the time to rank them, in any case that is pretty subjective once you finish talking about the obvious elites. When I say above average I just mean he can definitely start in this league and he is capable of having really good games or even stretches but he is not a consistently great player.

[JustaKnickFan]

Justaknick, I don't know what games you have been watching quicker guards have been blowing by Felton and the rest of our guards the whole season. The only guy healthy on the roster right now that can somewhat stay with them is JR but he usually ends up getting in foul trouble because of it. Felton is so overrated defensively on this board.

I feel like that's becoming such a big misconception on this board. It's more of the PnR defense that makes it seem like Felton is getting blown by, because when Felton ends up going against players in isolations, he doesn't get beat nearly as much as we make it out to be. The main problem with Felton though is how he can take awhile to get through a screen, which makes Chandler have to go 1 on 2 with the roller and guard.

@ny You can't just go by those metric stats. A lot of those Iso points ended up coming against Brooklyn(not Feltons best games defensively by far) when Felton was switching lazily onto Joe Johnson, and was getting posted up by him and Dwill. Also, Kyrie Irving was hitting a lot of tough jumpers against him which makes his iso stats seem worse than they really are.