Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.)

[claudio-br]

wild trade idea:

Memphis sends: Rudy Gay, Jerryd Bayless
gets: Tyreke Evans, JJ Redick, Chuck Hayes

Sacramento sends: Tyreke Evans, Chuck Hayes, James Johnson, Isiah Thomas
gets: Rudy Gay, Ish Smith

Orlando sends: JJ Redick, Ish Smith
gets: Bayless, Isiah Thomas, James Johnson

[thelead]

wild trade idea:

Memphis sends: Rudy Gay, Jerryd Bayless
gets: Tyreke Evans, JJ Redick, Chuck Hayes

Sacramento sends: Tyreke Evans, Chuck Hayes, James Johnson, Isiah Thomas
gets: Rudy Gay, Ish Smith

Orlando sends: JJ Redick, Ish Smith
gets: Bayless, Isiah Thomas, James Johnson

Not feeling that trade

[ChosenSavior]

wild trade idea:

Memphis sends: Rudy Gay, Jerryd Bayless
gets: Tyreke Evans, JJ Redick, Chuck Hayes

Sacramento sends: Tyreke Evans, Chuck Hayes, James Johnson, Isiah Thomas
gets: Rudy Gay, Ish Smith

Orlando sends: JJ Redick, Ish Smith
gets: Bayless, Isiah Thomas, James Johnson

Not feeling that trade

[claudio-br]

probably not happening, but it is impossible to predict what trades will take place. we can only speculate.

it would make sense for all 3 teams though.

[Skin]

probably not happening, but it is impossible to predict what trades will take place. we can only speculate.

it would make sense for all 3 teams though.

Why does it make sense for the Magic to get 3 crappy players and the Grizz to be the only team trading a franchise caliber player?

[tiderulz]

probably not happening, but it is impossible to predict what trades will take place. we can only speculate.

it would make sense for all 3 teams though.

JJ for two backup PG's and a scrub PF? doesnt make sense for Orlando

[claudio-br]

probably not happening, but it is impossible to predict what trades will take place. we can only speculate.

it would make sense for all 3 teams though.

Why does it make sense for the Magic to get 3 crappy players and the Grizz to be the only team trading a franchise caliber player?

Orlando gets some value back from Redick, who might be gone at the end of the season, in three young prospects that can turn into role players. We need backup PG and Isaiah Thomas had a really good rookie year. Bayless also play decent ball. They are also on good deals, which is a thing Henny likes.

Sac trades their star for another star.

Grizz are willing to trade Gay because of his big contract and to change their style of play - Rudy uses a lot of isos. With this trade, they can run more plays for their big men and will not lose on perimeter scoring. Evans can score and Redick would be the deadly 3point shooter that they want so bad.

[RYgoBOOM]

Cousins is SO much better than you guys are making him out to be........

The headcase thing is all bull lol. He just doesn't like how Sac is run...I wouldn't either if I was the best player on a team full of talent that ALWAYS finds a way to lose lol.

Him at 4 and Vuc at 5 would be epic

[Furinkazan]

Cousins is SO much better than you guys are making him out to be........

The headcase thing is all bull lol. He just doesn't like how Sac is run...I wouldn't either if I was the best player on a team full of talent that ALWAYS finds a way to lose lol.

Him at 4 and Vuc at 5 would be epic

Remember last year when he got in trouble and Sac wanted to trade him...

overall consensus here was like

Cousins...?
hes not even worth 2nd round pick


so
I'll just leave it as that
Magic fans got great knowledge about each and every NBA player...
so I dont argue with them anymore...

[BadMofoPimp]

Hedo, O'Quinn and JJ for Cousins, Salmons and one of their point guards (hopefully not Fredette) but I would probably still do it.

Front court would be stacked with depth while Salmons would play well next to Afflalo while Moore is a capable SG backup as well as Harkless could have time to develop. Then, whichever PG would be a better backup than Moore at the Point. Team would be contending within 2 years.

[trebone]

No one denies DMCs talent but you cant argue the fact that he is a headcase and a cancer to that team, Smart was his biggest supporter and Cousins cussed him out in the locker room in front of the whole team. Remember when he went "after" sean elliott after a game which he was fined 2 games, if people thought Bynum was immature the they shouldnt be after Cousins

[fendilim]

Cousins has always been a headcase since his college days. I dont see him just being in Sac is the reason why he is acting like this.

[Def Swami]

Hedo, O'Quinn and JJ for Cousins, Salmons and one of their point guards (hopefully not Fredette) but I would probably still do it.

Front court would be stacked with depth while Salmons would play well next to Afflalo while Moore is a capable SG backup as well as Harkless could have time to develop. Then, whichever PG would be a better backup than Moore at the Point. Team would be contending within 2 years.

I think we'd have to deal our 1st rounder this year. Still wavering on the thought of that, but this draft is weak. I'd be surprised if any of those guys in our range end up with Cousins' potential.

[Def Swami]

Cousins has always been a headcase since his college days. I dont see him just being in Sac is the reason why he is acting like this.

That's an ill avatar, man.

[BadMofoPimp]

Being a Detroit fan also, they took a chance in trading for Sheed who ended up putting them over the edge in talent to win a championship even though he had a history of being a headcase. Ends up that he was a perfect teammate who racked up Techs on the court, but his emotional play really charged the team.

Which is why I think JJ/Hedo/O'Quinn/Future 1st for Cuz/Salmons/PG (they have 4)

I think Cousins is just frustrated playing on such a bad team and poorly run organization. Not that Sacramento is that bad of an organization, but multiple losing years can wreck a players outlook and patience. Especially, a player accustomed to winning most of his life.

I am giving Cousins the benefit of the doubt and think he could be the right player to bolster the Magics front line. And, if you put players like Cousins/Vuc/BBD/Nicholson as the rotating (4) bigs depending on the night, then there are multiple matchup problems for opponents on any given night offensively and defensively. That would limit BBD's minutes to more productive minutes also.

And, Salmons is a capable SF that can score and play decent defense with Harkless as a great 20-30mpg backup for a year or two.

Then, Afflalo with a backup like Moore (who could play the JJ role as he is a good ball handler).

And, whichever PG sacramento gives up would make for a nice backup to Meer.

Give that team a year or two to gel chemistry and you could have a deep playoff team.

[fendilim]

Being a Detroit fan also, they took a chance in trading for Sheed who ended up putting them over the edge in talent to win a championship even though he had a history of being a headcase. Ends up that he was a perfect teammate who racked up Techs on the court, but his emotional play really charged the team.

Which is why I think JJ/Hedo/O'Quinn for Cuz/Salmons/PG (they have 4)

I think Cousins is just frustrated playing on such a bad team and poorly run organization. Not that Sacramento is that bad of an organization, but multiple losing years can wreck a players outlook and patience. Especially, a player accustomed to winning most of his life.

I am giving Cousins the benefit of the doubt and think he could be the right player to bolster the Magics front line. And, if you put players like Cousins/Vuc/BBD/Nicholson as the rotating (4) bigs depending on the night, then there are multiple matchup problems for opponents on any given night offensively and defensively. That would limit BBD's minutes to more productive minutes also.

And, Salmons is a capable SF that can score and play decent defense with Harkless as a great 20-30mpg backup for a year or two.

Then, Afflalo with a backup like Moore (who could play the JJ role as he is a good ball handler).

And, whichever PG sacramento gives up would make for a nice backup to Meer.

Give that team a year or two to gel chemistry and you could have a deep playoff team.

it wouldnt be bad at all to give him a chance. But what are you willing to give up for him? Being Sac's best young player, I dont think he would be traded for something cheap.

[RYgoBOOM]

I think the kings are in the same position as we were with D12. He wants out and because of this "headcase" label, it will be hard to get his value back. If I were Sac I would do that trade in a heart beat. Works for both teams

[trebone]

Being a Detroit fan also, they took a chance in trading for Sheed who ended up putting them over the edge in talent to win a championship even though he had a history of being a headcase. Ends up that he was a perfect teammate who racked up Techs on the court, but his emotional play really charged the team.

Which is why I think JJ/Hedo/O'Quinn/Future 1st for Cuz/Salmons/PG (they have 4)

I think Cousins is just frustrated playing on such a bad team and poorly run organization. Not that Sacramento is that bad of an organization, but multiple losing years can wreck a players outlook and patience. Especially, a player accustomed to winning most of his life.

I am giving Cousins the benefit of the doubt and think he could be the right player to bolster the Magics front line. And, if you put players like Cousins/Vuc/BBD/Nicholson as the rotating (4) bigs depending on the night, then there are multiple matchup problems for opponents on any given night offensively and defensively. That would limit BBD's minutes to more productive minutes also.

And, Salmons is a capable SF that can score and play decent defense with Harkless as a great 20-30mpg backup for a year or two.

Then, Afflalo with a backup like Moore (who could play the JJ role as he is a good ball handler).

And, whichever PG sacramento gives up would make for a nice backup to Meer.

Give that team a year or two to gel chemistry and you could have a deep playoff team.

the big flaw in this argument was that sheed was always considered a great teammate and overly passionate to win. I am not sure if Wallace was suspended for screaming at his HC in the lockerroom in front of the team

[trebone]

Steve Kylers take on the AL Harrington situation


Paul Jacobs
Explain how you could be so wrong on the Al Harrington story. I thought you knew your stuff.
Steve Kyler
Was wondering when this was gonna surface.
1st – Al Harrington wants to play. He is working his tail off to come back from a pretty scary staph infection that got into his blood stream. He has been out for whats been almost 8 months and is just starting to real court work again.
2nd – I was asked what was happening with Al Harrington… I have asked this question of several people in the context of how could Orlando trade him and shockingly I was told the Magic were not overly concerned with trading Al because he may not play this year – which would kick in the insurance on his deal and get the Magic off the hook for the bulk of his money. I was also told if he is not able to play this year, medical retirement was possible.
So here is where things stand.
Al wants to play. Al wants to return and the Magic are trying to help him achieve that. If Al does not play for 41 games the NBA’s insurance carrier picks up 80% of his contract money, so there is no real hurry to do anything with Al, but give him a chance to get better. If he gets better and can play, maybe they can trade him… if he doesn’t or struggles to get into game shape, then insurance eats the bulk of his deal.
Now, if Al does not play and gets to the off-season Orlando has some options. Al’s contract is partially guaranteed for next year and the following year. Al is owed basically two more years and roughly $14.7 million. If the Magic buyout Al he’ll lose roughly $7.3 million. He’ll also count against Orlando’s cap for the next two years.
That gets us to here… if Al can’t get back to playing this year and misses the entire year. He stands to lose $7.3 million in a buyout. If he medically retires he gets it all.
Al’s first and only goal at this point is getting healthy. However he’s missed eight months and is 15 years into the league. He wants to play. He believes he can still play and contribute, however that does not mean his body will allow that.
The good news for Al is he is still relatively young at 32, but he does have a lot of wear and tear on his body.
So to answer your question… I wasn’t “wrong” about Al… what happens and what always happens on twitter is that people read half of what gets put out and runs with it.
What I did was share what I was told about Al, and until AL plays there is nothing Orlando really can do but wait out the process.

Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-rumors-ch ... tr3OW4M.99

[Def Swami]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The Brooklyn Nets have fired coach Avery Johnson, league source tells Yahoo! Sports.

Wow. I feel bad for Johnson. He was not the reason that team is mediocre.