Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

Post #161 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:43 am

gambitx777 wrote:would the wiz do a straight up trade like this
NENE for Aldridge ?

Sure, the Wiz would. No reason for POR to do it, though. Besides, they already said they aren't trading Aldridge.

dangermouse · Post #162 » by **dangermouse** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:44 am

Dallas, now that Nowitzki is back, need a rebounding/rim protecting C. We could give them ours (Emeka) for Kaman (expiring) and Roddy B (also exp. but he's young and could be a good backup PG/SG).

Do you think they would be desperate enough to throw in their first?

We start Seraphin/Nene and bring Kaman in off the bench for Nene to keep both their minutes down because they are both injury plagued bigs at the moment.

dangermouse · Post #163 » by **dangermouse** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:49 am

Oh, and we'd cut Temple to fit Roddy in.

gambitx777 · Post #164 » by **gambitx777** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:40 am

youe would have to add jones in to make the money work.
But i doubt that they give up 3 expiring contracts to get another year of okafurs.

Post #165 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:22 pm

^ Yeah, the issue is the contract. Cuban is still hoping he can sign Dwight Howard next summer. But if Howard doesn't sign with Dallas, then maybe Okafor for cap space is something they'd do. But I don't think they trade an expiring for Okafor now.

Post #166 » by **nate33** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:34 pm

gambitx777 wrote:youe would have to add jones in to make the money work.
But i doubt that they give up 3 expiring contracts to get another year of okafurs.

Actually, Jones isn't necessary. The new CBA permits incoming salary to be 150% of outgoing salary if the acquiring team is under the luxtax. (The old CBA permitted only 125%). Accordingly, for Dallas to absorb Okafor's salary, they would only need to send out $9M. Kaman's salary is $8M, so it would be Kaman plus any non-rookie on their roster. Eddy Curry probably make the most sense from their standpoint.

Post #167 » by **montestewart** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:59 pm

^
Eddie Curry, at last

Dr Positivity · Post #168 » by **Dr Positivity** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:45 pm

What do you guys think of this offer: Bargnani, Calderon for Okafor, Ariza and Vesely. You take on Bargnani's 2014-2015 for 12 mil, but dump 13.5 mil onto Toronto in 2013-2014. You get some shooting and offense in the meantime

nuposse04 · Post #169 » by **nuposse04** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:51 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:What do you guys think of this offer: Bargnani, Calderon for Okafor, Ariza and Vesely. You take on Bargnani's 2014-2015 for 12 mil, but dump 13.5 mil onto Toronto in 2013-2014. You get some shooting and offense in the meantime

I'd rather just let Okafor and Ariza expire then have anything to do with that deal. Its a lateral move at best.

Post #170 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:54 pm

^ I think I posted something similar a few pages back as something I would "expect" the Wizards to do (or meant to post it but lost it). I wouldn't be in love with that move, but I wouldn't hate it either. Especially if the Wiz could involve a third team and get something else back.

Post #171 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:01 am

I'd rather be patient and wait. I think the Wizards have a decent chance of dumping one of Okafor or Ariza by the Trade Deadline in a relatively painless manner. Sooner or later, a contending team is going to lose a player due to injury and will be looking for a competent veteran role player in exchange for an expiring contract.

Maybe at the Trade Deadline, if nothing else pans out, I'd consider this move, but I doubt it. I'd rather just plan on tanking for this year and next, and then make a free agency splash in 2014.

dangermouse · Post #172 » by **dangermouse** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:48 am

dangermouse wrote:Oh, and we'd cut Temple to fit Roddy in.

What was I smoking??????

mhd · Post #173 » by **mhd** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:55 am

I would do that Raps deal and see if we could flip Bargs for a player expiring 1 year sooner. Bargs for Biedrins makes sense for both sides as Biedrins expires 1 year sooner. Biderins sucks and Bargs would give GSW some PF depth.

MF23 · Post #174 » by **MF23** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:06 am

I have no doubt Okafor is playing for a trade. I do doubt whether the FO will work hard enough to get a fair deal done.

gambitx777 · Post #175 » by **gambitx777** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:19 am

what about Okafur for Devin Harris and Zaza Pachulia ?

harris was playing streaky, plus he is out any way and they are doing fine with out him and Okafur is an upgrade over pachulia.
and
we get two expiring contracts. i think thats even?

dangermouse · Post #176 » by **dangermouse** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:34 pm

Despite DeMarcus Cousins' recent suspension handed out by the Sacramento Kings, co-owners Gavin and Joe Maloof are still reluctant to trade the young big man, according to sources.

Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement.

Nene seems like the logical answer here.

Post #177 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:45 pm

dangermouse wrote:
Despite DeMarcus Cousins' recent suspension handed out by the Sacramento Kings, co-owners Gavin and Joe Maloof are still reluctant to trade the young big man, according to sources.

Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement.

Nene seems like the logical answer here.

Yes.

Unfortunately, I would really want to retain Nene on this team to help support Cousins.

Post #178 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:05 pm

From the trade board:

IamaCeltsfan wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d9m2mla

Boston Trades: Courtney Lee and Jason Collins
Boston Receives: Trevor Ariza

Washington Trades: Trevor Ariza
Washington Receives: Brandon Roy and Jason Collins

Minnesota Trades: Brandon Roy
Minnesota Receives: Courtney Lee

Why for Boston?
They cut ties with Courtney Lee who has been under performing and they cut 2 years off of his contract replacing him with Trevor Ariza. Even though Ariza is currently hurt, he should be back soon. Since Avery Bradley is also coming back from injury, Lee's minutes will most likely decline anyway so he will be expendable. Jason Collins is thrown in for salary purposes to make the deal work.

Why for Washington?
They basically do this to save some money. Brandon Roy's contract is unguaranteed due to his injury. This will also free up some minutes for the young guys on their roster and they can go into full on tank mode. Collins is on a 1 year vet minimum contract and is only in the trade to make the numbers work, Washington would probably waive him.

Why for Minnesota?
They replace Brandon Roy with Courtney Lee. Courtney Lee would have more of an opportunity with the Timberwolves and he would be a solid replacement for Brandon Roy to try and make a playoff push.

Fans of all teams seemed to like this one. This is perfect for us. We dump Ariza a year early and add a veteran mentor at SG who might be able to help Beal out even if his injuries prevent him from being very useful on the floor.

Also, Roy's expiring contract could be useful in a trade down the road. (It might have to be set up as a stand alone trade accompanied by some other trade because he can't be packaged with another outgoing player for 60 days.) For example, a Seraphin for Cousins swap might be more palatable to Sacramento if we also include a Roy for Salmons swap.

hands11 · Post #179 » by **hands11** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:45 pm

Different course then the conventional wisdom.

WIN NOW WITH NENE. You have a 3 -4 year window and Wall going into year 3.

Wall/Temple
Crawford/Beal
Trevor A/Webster
Nene/Ves/Booker
Okafor/Kevin

They resign Okafor after his contract is up as the back up center for another 2 years. He would be 34 at the end of it. Draft a center from this next years class so he is ready to roll in 2-3 years.

Go find a shooting SG with at least 3 years experience at least as good a DSleez is. Find a starting quality SF. Trevor A may work out fine with Wall returns when he is healthy, but I do find this idea interesting.

Trevor A for World Peace straight up. They have the same contracts.

Wall/Temple
Crawford/Beal ( add pure shooting SG)
MWP/Webster
Nene/Ves/Booker
Okafor/Kevin ( next years #1 )

LAL does it to add a younger player who they have won with in the past.
Wiz does it because they add a playoff experienced beast at SF and create maybe the most beastly front court in the league.

Then the Wiz need to go find a pure shooter to help at SG.

If not, keep Trevor A around and extend him for a fair market contract after his is over and focus on finding that SF and shooting guard with other assets which include the following years #1. The list is.

One of Booker or Singleton, the following years number one and filler pieces of Price, Webster, Martin, Mack with the more risky option of moving Beal. For now I would focus on the following years #1 and one of Booker and Singleton. Should be able to get something decent at SF or SG for that.

Set Big Ball Crawford free. Start him with a real PG and front court and lets see what he can do. And give him some SG help.

If Crawford can keep improving, he just may be legit. Over the last 5 game his is shooting .470, .947 FT, 5.4 assists, 4.2 rebounds in 35.2. If he could just fix his 3 ball which he is showing signs of doing. 3-5 last night and 3-7 on 12/19 but he also had 3 off games 0-2, 2-8, 0-5. Crawford with a more consistent 3 ball is a legit starter.

I still want to see what Crawford look like with more legit players out there. I think a lot of his chucking comes from the team need for him to do it because they have no other legit scorers at guard right now and mostly only Nene in the post. I want to see him out there with Wall, Trevor A, Nene and Okafor to see what he will do.

Post #180 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:02 pm

hands11 wrote:Different course then the conventional wisdom.

WIN NOW WITH NENE. You have a 3 -4 year window and Wall going into year 3.

Wall/Temple
Crawford/Beal
Trevor A/Webster
Nene/Ves/Booker
Okafor/Kevin

Are you serious? Do you really think that this 4-22 team is in any position to try and "win now". Yes, Wall's return should help quite a bit, but we'd still be lucky to play .500 ball with him at full strength.

You are letting one win against a really bad Orlando team cloud your judgement. Go watch OKC play a team like San Antonio for a while and compare how much better they are then us. Nene is the only guy on our team that can hold his own against the elite players in the league. Wall might be able to if he has improved a lot in this offseason. Nobody else on the roster is even a starting caliber player.

No, the best course is to tank, add another high pick, and hopefully clear enough cap room to add a quality starter via free agency or trade. I still can't believe how much we blew it last offseason. We could have had Harden, Ryan Anderson and Brendan Haywood instead of Beal, Ariza and Okafor. Add Wall to that lineup and then we'd be onto something:

PG Wall/Crawford/Mack
SG Harden/Crawford
SF Webster/Martin
PF Anderson/Seraphin/Booker
C Nene/Haywood