SVG Says Wall is Not Franchise Caliber

[Nivek]

I actually agree with SVG on the decision-making. I don't think it's an issue of low hoops IQ, though. For me, I'm looking largely at the high turnovers. A good number of those are just wasted, careless possessions -- not because he's trying to make a great play and failing. Just being sloppy. I think it's primarily a youth and inexperience issue, so I wouldn't say I'm worried about it. But it's a part of his game that I think needs to improve.

[WizarDynasty]

problem with wall is his handle. he has only one speed so the defense know where he is going.
Wall has below average half court dribbling skills and lacks the ability to slow down once he is at full speed due to fact that he can't control the ball well at full speed. His handles are exposed whenever he is trying to change directions. He is straight line dribbler and that makes you below average for a point guard in a half court setting. Just compare how Chris Paul dribbles on a pick and roll and how in control he is changing speeds to throw off a defender compared to wall.
Wall is normally out of control with his handle and gets tunnel vision because he senses the loss of handle is sole focus is not to turn the ball over, rather than reading his team mates and not even thinking about dribbling in the half court.
Wall already has the mechanics down, he foresee wall being an elite point guard if he had a mentor like chris paul. the problem is, he doesn't.
Wall has alot more improvement closer to chris paul...versus Chris Singleton and George Paul..both late lottery picks.
George Paul has way more coordination with his body and handle with the ball. Singleton looks like steroid young arnold trying to ballerina. Just no fine body coordination, which john wall has.

[Nivek]

problem with wall is his handle. he has only one speed so the defense know where he is going.
Wall has below average half court dribbling skills and lacks the ability to slow down once he is at full speed due to fact that he can't control the ball well at full speed. His handles are exposed whenever he is trying to change directions. He is straight line dribbler and that makes you below average for a point guard in a half court setting. Just compare how Chris Paul dribbles on a pick and roll and how in control he is changing speeds to throw off a defender compared to wall.
Wall is normally out of control with his handle and gets tunnel vision because he senses the loss of handle is sole focus is not to turn the ball over, rather than reading his team mates and not even thinking about dribbling in the half court.
Wall already has the mechanics down, he foresee wall being an elite point guard if he had a mentor like chris paul. the problem is, he doesn't.
Wall has alot more improvement closer to chris paul...versus Chris Singleton and George Paul..both late lottery picks.
George Paul has way more coordination with his body and handle with the ball. Singleton looks like steroid young arnold trying to ballerina. Just no fine body coordination, which john wall has.

In George Paul's defense, he's a first-rate maker of chocolates.

[deneem4]

Fact
The wizards player development sucks...
Look how nick young...blatche...mcgee are playing with their new teams
For Wall to have career averages of what cp3 is averaging this yr on the suckiest team says something
I think he has it...its a confidence thing....sorta like rose when he started...he wasnt postioning his self as team leader till he realize he the only choice...wall has to gain that confidence.
He started his career as one of the best def pg ever till his 8th game and derrick rose killed his ankles offensivesly....after that he hasnt played with the same defensive intensity...
I think coming back from this injury next to this veteran front court with beal on the wing..wall will shine...especially if he comes back with the intent of trying to show the wizards are no joke

[WizarDynasty]

lol... i say wall is basically arenas without the three point shooting, without the post ability, without the ability to accelerate and slow down with a tight handle in the half court.
Both poor man to man defenders, and both are shoot first point guards.
Wall is a very very very poor man's arenas.
If arenas is the measuring stick for wall, then wall isn't close to a franchise player.

now if wall had DMC i think wall can begin to focus on being more of a point guard instead of scorer.

[tontoz]

lol... i say wall is basically arenas without the three point shooting, without the post ability, without the ability to accelerate and slow down with a tight handle in the half court.
Both poor man to man defenders, and both are shoot first point guards.
Wall is a very very very poor man's arenas.
If arenas is the measuring stick for wall, then wall isn't close to a franchise player.

now if wall had DMC i think wall can begin to focus on being more of a point guard instead of scorer.

Wall averaged 8 assists per game over his first two years on a team full of guys who can't shoot and you say he is a shoot first pg?

[WizarDynasty]

alley hoops to mcgee shouldn't really count.
wall only passed the ball when he couldn't shoot. He looks for his shot first and if its not there he passes.
Wall almost never designs a player where another person is designed to shoot first before himself. Wall assist are normally bail out passes because his lane got cut off. Rarely does wall have his player in the right spots anticipating a pass from wall.

[tontoz]

alley hoops to mcgee shouldn't really count.
wall only passed the ball when he couldn't shoot. He looks for his shot first and if its not there he passes.
Wall almost never designs a player where another person is designed to shoot first before himself. Wall assist are normally bail out passes because his lane got cut off. Rarely does wall have his player in the right spots anticipating a pass from wall.

That is nuts. If a guy is open Wall hits him with the pass. Arenas is the guy who only looked to pass after he had picked up his dribble and couldn't shoot.

If Wall only looked to pass when he couldn't shoot then he wouldn't average 8 assists per game on a team that can't shoot. Pretty simple

FYI Wall doesn't "design" the plays. The coach does.

[Higga]

@ Wall being a shoot first PG. That's like saying RG3 is a pure pocket passer, couldn't be farther from the truth. How many times did Wall pass up a wide open shot?

[nate33]

Agree with tontoz. It's preposterous to label Wall a shoot first PG. I'm sure Wall himself would have preferred to shoot even less last year but he couldn't afford to because the team sucked so bad offensively. Remember our illustrious forward tandem of Vesely and Singleton? Getting assists by passing the ball to them was like squeezing blood from a stone. Nene and McGee were the only semi-reliable offensive players, and Nene only played 11 games and came off the bench for most of them, so he was rarely on the court alongside Wall.

[penbeast0]

I agree Wall has issues, but they aren't not passing the ball or even man defense which was pretty solid for a rook. They are similar issues to Rajan Rondo in Boston -- an inconsistent jump shot means you can play off him for the drive without fear. I think a lot of people say Rondo isn't a "franchise caliber" player too though. But surround him with talent and he's been pretty good -- hope Wall will step up at playoff time the same way.

[sashae]

Honestly, if Wall ends up as good for his career as Kidd or Rondo, that's a huge huge huge win.

[dc]

Warrior fan here and we were kind of in a similar quandary when Steph Curry was injured for the better part of 2 years. He was playing through injury and didn't look good doing it. People kind of forgot how good he actually was. When he was hobbled with injury, people were just questioning him, calling him soft, wondering whether he was even a PG at all......it's amazing what happened to him as soon as he got 2 good ankles to play on again. Now it's like he picked up where he left off at the end of his rookie year. Now his $11M/year contract extension looks like a stroke of genius.

Wall is sort of in that same category. I believe if he gets healthy, he can be a great PG. Even if he's not a true franchise player, he can still be a building block guy the way Curry has turned out to be.

You basically have to lean on the doctors and trainers and get him up and running again. You wouldn't want to trade him now b/c his value is low. He definitely needs guys around him who can shoot, but I absolutely think he can be one of the best PGs in the league if his health comes around.

[Knighthonor]

seems like my old locked thread fits here

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John Wall vs Jordan Crawford: Guard- which is better?

bias aside, which of the two players makes for a better guard?
over the last few seasons, I notice JC pulling better scoring numbers than Wall, which larger due to Wall's assist numbers.

But on their weakness, who is better guard? Wall hasnt shown much that he can shoot.
With a Wallless Wizards, JC stepped up pretty nicely as a PG to replace Wall.
JC can drive and shoot.
Wall seems to drive better than JC.
Wall has lot of hype, being that he is a #1 pick. But JC compared to Wall on a non bias standpoint, how does he stand?

I guess its not trolling when it comes from an article I guess...

[Upper Decker]

You basically have to lean on the doctors and trainers and get him up and running again.

Just like they did with Arenas!

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I come in peace.

I disagree with SVG.
I certainly think he's a good enough player to build around.
Is he there yet? No. But I think if you pair him with a secondary playmaker in the backcourt a la Andre Miller/Ty Lawson in Denver or Ray Felton/Kidd in NYC, he could have great success.

From the limited amount of games I've seen of his game is he has blazing end-to-end speed and finishing ability in transition. He has very good-great vision in getting his teammates looks as evidenced by his impressive assist totals. His jump shot needs work...a lot of work but that's the easiest fix in the pros; give him time on that one.

But what he is NOT is a game manager on the NBA level. Give him a Jarrett Jack or a Luke Ridnour type to play next to, either capable of playing off the ball, and watch him become the player people knew he could be.

[hands11]

Too early to tell. We have done a terrible job as far as building an environment for him to grow in.

We'll see how he looks after returning from injury.

I have been an advocate of lots of moves that involved Wall or his pick dating back to when he was drafted but as of now, you waited this long, you have to see what you have. They really don't have much choice.

As of now, I'm not counting Wall out as someone who can't have a big impact. He had way to much put on him to soon and had very little to no help so he tried to do it all himself by using what he had, speed. He gained experience. He made progress. Regressed. Then made progress again. He hit bumps along the way. I saw improvement late last year. Its been a long time but remember he finally learned to change pace. And now he has better pieces then he did before.

As for SVG. Was never a fan of his so I really don't care what he has to say.

As for Wall. I think he is a faster Rondo. He should have a similar development path only Rondo started off with better players and getting into the playoffs early in his career. Wall will go full speed for easy points. He will change pace. He will pass. And as time goes on, his shot will get better.

As long as they don't have to overpay him to stay, I have no problem with him being here. That said, you always listen to offers and keep an open mind.

[MikeTheKid]

Im going to hold my answer to this until about Feb.-March when hes in some type of shape and hes running with the team (prayerfully healthy) and we see how hes progressed.

[closg00]

Warrior fan here and we were kind of in a similar quandary when Steph Curry was injured for the better part of 2 years. He was playing through injury and didn't look good doing it. People kind of forgot how good he actually was. When he was hobbled with injury, people were just questioning him, calling him soft, wondering whether he was even a PG at all......it's amazing what happened to him as soon as he got 2 good ankles to play on again. Now it's like he picked up where he left off at the end of his rookie year. Now his $11M/year contract extension looks like a stroke of genius.

Wall is sort of in that same category. I believe if he gets healthy, he can be a great PG. Even if he's not a true franchise player, he can still be a building block guy the way Curry has turned out to be.

You basically have to lean on the doctors and trainers and get him up and running again. You wouldn't want to trade him now b/c his value is low. He definitely needs guys around him who can shoot, but I absolutely think he can be one of the best PGs in the league if his health comes around.

We could have taken either Curry or Rubio had we not been raped

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You basically have to lean on the doctors and trainers and get him up and running again.

Just like they did with Arenas!

Hopefully, different doctors and trainers this time.

The idea is to keep him up and running and not to ruin his career.