The Trade Thread

[thruthefire]

This will all be hilarious next year when MKG is averaging 16 and 7 as a 20 year old.

He isn't going anywhere.

If he's playing enough minutes to average 16 points, I fully expect him to average 9-10 rebounds. He's that good at getting his team second chances.

Marion at 21 compared to MKG at 19: http://bkref.com/tiny/rH0Fh

[HornetJail]

Interesting comparison there, but you have to remember Marion was on a team that made it to the second round of the playoffs that year.

[Liver_Pooty]

This will all be hilarious next year when MKG is averaging 16 and 7 as a 20 year old.

He isn't going anywhere.

If he's playing enough minutes to average 16 points, I fully expect him to average 9-10 rebounds. He's that good at getting his team second chances.

Marion at 21 compared to MKG at 19: http://bkref.com/tiny/rH0Fh

If MKG is getting 9-10 rebounds a game at the SF position I could honestly care less what he shoots, how he shoots, or how many points a game he has.

People tend to forget that he has one of the best work ethics in the NBA. He has hit the rookie wall, which happens. Walker ran into the rookie wall the entire season last year and worked his ass off in the off season. Look at him now. MKG will be fine, as will Biyombo in another year or two. Patience people, patience.

[Liver_Pooty]

By the way, Why hasn't there ever been more talk of Klay Thompson being drafted instead of Biyombo? Hes been ripping it up this year. Thompson stretching the court for MKG, Walker, hell the entire team would be incredible.

[thruthefire]

Interesting comparison there, but you have to remember Marion was on a team that made it to the second round of the playoffs that year.

Well, I certainly don't think playing with Jason Kidd would have had a negative impact on MKG.

[Liver_Pooty]

This will all be hilarious next year when MKG is averaging 16 and 7 as a 20 year old.

He isn't going anywhere.

If he's playing enough minutes to average 16 points, I fully expect him to average 9-10 rebounds. He's that good at getting his team second chances.

Marion at 21 compared to MKG at 19: http://bkref.com/tiny/rH0Fh

Nice comparison, but those two years are a HUGE difference. Id be perfectly fine if MKG developed into a better prime Shawn Marion, which I think he will.

[dmutombo321]

I definitely think Kidd-Gilchrist will manage better than the 7 rebounds per game but didnt Marion have a couple years where he was a 22 pt/11 rebound player?

I'll gladly come back and eat my full plate of crow if MKG ever achieves those kind of season averages.

[dmutombo321]

^ Interesting tool by the way. I've never played around with that player comparison feature.

[Kembastockton]

Nice comparison, but those two years are a HUGE difference. Id be perfectly fine if MKG developed into a better prime Shawn Marion, which I think he will.

Which is why we don't trade MKG. Prime Shawn Marion was a star! What is awesome about our position is that MKG hasn't developed yet, so by the other time he does develop he will be surrounded by some other potentially really good players.

Kemba- Tim Hardaway
Wiggins- Scottie Pippen
MKG- Shawn Marion
Noel- Dikembe Mutumbo

[Bassman]

Despite my comments regarding Hyphen, I would love to deal Biz and the Portland pick for Kanter. I just don't see Utah doing that.

There were a number of players I would have preferred we draft versus Biz. Again, DMutumbo and I wanted to use that pick in a trade down to get an extra pick, grab the big V and possibly Thompson. Klay would have been a super choice.

So I get most of you are sick of the idea of dealing MKG. Conversely, I suggest we quit chattering about impossible deals using weak players with low value as some magic bullet to get a quality big, cause that ain't happening. Sessions has good value now due to needs, but even he and a pick won't bring a player worthy of starting. Hendo is at best a good reserve player, so his value is low.

We may actually see fewer trades this year than in the past. Unless we can pry away Jason Thompson or JJ Hickson I think we stand pat and pray for the right lottery ball.

[misterglover]

Kemba- Tim Hardaway
Wiggins- Scottie Pippen
MKG- Shawn Marion
Noel- Dikembe Mutumbo

WOOOW!!!.....thats all I can say to that, those are some serious rose colored glasses you got buddy....im sorry and I love my 'cats and love my city but I wanna know what they hell you are smoking and where can i get some cuz you are the most positive person i have ever met in my life lol

[dmutombo321]

Despite my comments regarding Hyphen, I would love to deal Biz and the Portland pick for Kanter. I just don't see Utah doing that.

There were a number of players I would have preferred we draft versus Biz. Again, DMutumbo and I wanted to use that pick in a trade down to get an extra pick, grab the big V and possibly Thompson. Klay would have been a super choice.

So I get most of you are sick of the idea of dealing MKG. Conversely, I suggest we quit chattering about impossible deals using weak players with low value as some magic bullet to get a quality big, cause that ain't happening. Sessions has good value now due to needs, but even he and a pick won't bring a player worthy of starting. Hendo is at best a good reserve player, so his value is low.

We may actually see fewer trades this year than in the past. Unless we can pry away Jason Thompson or JJ Hickson I think we stand pat and pray for the right lottery ball.

^ Well stated Bass.

Save for trading picks or one of our soon to be expirings like Diop for a bloated contract, the sad reality is that there are few players on our roster apart from Kemba/MKG (and to a much lesser degree Biz/Mully/sessions) which other teams would find desirable to send back any talent worth noting.

Even Henderson's value has tapered off as he's regressed and teams know they can just sign him outright for the right amount of $.

None of this is to say that a trade is necessarily the way to go. However, if we're going to seriously throw out trade proposals, its important we be realistic about what we'd have to send out to realize a worth while return.

As for Hickson, I believe he may be hitting Free Agency this off season. If we draft a wing, he'd definitely be someone to take a look at.

[Kembastockton]

Kemba- Tim Hardaway
Wiggins- Scottie Pippen
MKG- Shawn Marion
Noel- Dikembe Mutumbo

WOOOW!!!.....thats all I can say to that, those are some serious rose colored glasses you got buddy....im sorry and I love my 'cats and love my city but I wanna know what they hell you are smoking and where can i get some cuz you are the most positive person i have ever met in my life lol

You are taking me a little to literally. The point is that when our guys we have and our next two lottery picks we should get mature they could be very good. Kobe is all but out of the league. Lebron, Howard, Wade and crew are all knocking on thirty. Most of the current stars of the league will be out of the league before MKG is 29. You guys have to stop wanting a easy fix and be patient. Our guys are all closer to elementry school than I am to middle management.

[misterglover]

Mt. Biyombo I wasnt taking you literally....I was making an attempt at a joke myself.

And as far as my comments about MKG goes Im not in the lets trade him camp, I dont want a quick fix, Im cool with keeping him and letting him develop. I just dont agree with you guys that he is gonna be a star thats all. All i see him as is Gerald Wallace 2.0 at his best, I just dont see what some of the others see that are calling him Scottie Pippen or Shawn Marion or whatever. Im no expert, never claimed to be....the furthest I made it was riding the pine at an HBC school but I know basketball, and he just doesnt do it for me...and I think im entitled to have that opinion as much as some one calling him the next Scottie Pippen who's a HOF'er.

[HornetJail]

Nice comparison, but those two years are a HUGE difference. Id be perfectly fine if MKG developed into a better prime Shawn Marion, which I think he will.

Which is why we don't trade MKG. Prime Shawn Marion was a star! What is awesome about our position is that MKG hasn't developed yet, so by the other time he does develop he will be surrounded by some other potentially really good players.

Kemba- Tim Hardaway
Wiggins- Scottie Pippen
MKG- Shawn Marion
Noel- Dikembe Mutumbo

Don't forget Henderson is Kobe. Wiggins should be Durant and Bismack is supposed to be Chamberlain.

[JMAC3]

All this Kanter love is hilarious. He not only doesnt start, but he plays behind Derrick Favors as well, but dont worry he is going to be a top 5 big man in basketball when given minutes?????????

Jefferson and Millsap are good players, but they are not even top 15 big men in the NBA. If Favors and Kanter were sooo good don't you think Utah would have been trying to deal Millsap or Jefferson actively to get another piece back instead of just waiting for them to become free agents?

Utah is one of those teams that overvalues their players so much that it starts to make other teams believe in that value. Look at Wesley Matthews, dude got paid. Look at Gordon Hayward, they make him out to be the next great white player. Look at Deron Williams, dude has lived up to hype in Brooklyn. Look at Favors and Kanter, you would think they have KG and Karl Malone on their bench the way people talk about them.

Also, Kanter plays less then 20 minutes a game almost every night. How many of those minutes are played against the other teams starting big men. I am not impressed when he is scoring on the likes of Joel Freeland, Robert Sacre and Greg Smith. All of his good games this season has came either in games when his team is killing the other team, or being killed, which says he is playing the subs to me.

[SWedd523]

Nice comparison, but those two years are a HUGE difference. Id be perfectly fine if MKG developed into a better prime Shawn Marion, which I think he will.

Which is why we don't trade MKG. Prime Shawn Marion was a star! What is awesome about our position is that MKG hasn't developed yet, so by the other time he does develop he will be surrounded by some other potentially really good players.

Kemba- Tim Hardaway
Wiggins- Scottie Pippen
MKG- Shawn Marion
Noel- Dikembe Mutumbo

Don't forget Henderson is Kobe. Wiggins should be Durant and Bismack is supposed to be Chamberlain.

He's obviously Bill Russell Jr.

[Eoghan]

I'm glad it sounds like we're trying to trade that Portland pick, this isn't really the kind of draft you want multiple picks in.

[dmutombo321]

Jefferson and Millsap are good players, but they are not even top 15 big men in the NBA.

Yeah, I guess you're right....

Al Jefferson isnt anything particularly special. The fact he's 28 years old and has multiple 20/10 seasons under his belt doesnt mean much. Nor does his 17/9.5 with a PER of 20.5 that he produces in 32mpg.

No way he cracks the top 15 in currently active big men and he certainly wont have to worry about anyone offering $10mil/yr+ contracts to him this offseason.

[Kembastockton]

All i see him as is Gerald Wallace 2.0 at his best, I just dont see what some of the others see that are calling him Scottie Pippen or Shawn Marion or whatever. Im no expert, never claimed to be....the furthest I made it was riding the pine at an HBC school but I know basketball, and he just doesnt do it for me...and I think im entitled to have that opinion as much as some one calling him the next Scottie Pippen who's a HOF'er.

Okay I got you! What is the difference between Gerald, Scottie, and Shawn? They were all through the roof athletes at the 3 right? So what was the difference? Basketball IQ. Scottie's was through the roof! Shawn's is mediocre, and Gerald's is low. So from what we have seen of MKG where does his BBIQ lie? Somewhere between Scottie's and Shawn's. Oh and I was my team's second leading scorer, and best playmaker.
Who called MKG the next Scottie Pippen? I gave Wiggins that comparison, because that is his nbadraft.net comparison.