Around the NBA part 4

[Fury]

We should have kept Lin, even if we got Felton. I'm happy with Felton, but we need another PG that isn't 82.

[Capn'O]

I'm ahead in two cats. Down in assists. Who could have possibly predicted that it might come down to assists since each were equally likely?

As I've mentioned in that first thread, FG% and PPG are correlated.

And what's not to trust with a StatWizard such as yourself???!!!


I find that highly unlikely. It's my observation that higher usage/shot volumes usually leads to a lower percentage unless the player is good enough to warrant higher usage (i.e. young, IMPROVING players getting an increased role).

The classic example would be Allen Iverson. Always viewed as a high volume chucker, when he went to play with Melo in Denver his efficiency increased while his shot volumes and usage went down.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01.html

You see the opposite happening with James Harden this season. As his usage (shot volume, ppg, etc) shot up his efficiency numbers plummeted.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html

You can look at countless other examples. For individual players, I would actually expect to find a NEGATIVE correlation between efficiency and usage EXCEPT within the first few years of that players' career when they are IMPROVING their games and getting an increased role.

In Lin's case, I saw a player in a LOWER usage/mpg situation than last year getting lower ppg AND fg%. That is the statistical definition of a slump, especially for a young player like LIn. Those two numbers were always a good bet. I said as much at the time of the bet and you clowned me for it.

The assists make it fun That was a basketball call for me and if I'm wrong on it I can live with that.

[god shammgod]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick

Nets announce PG Deron Williams will miss next 2 games because of "synovitis (inflammation of ankle joint linings) in both ankles."

pacers and nuggets next for them before the break

[Capn'O]

He's a top 5 PG easy. Arguably the 2nd best PG in the league. Should get MVP votes.

This year 2nd best isn't arguable. He and CP3 are just in a different class.

I'm glad that this was a bold call for me last year and people are coming around more this year. I've gone as far as to say he's been at minimum AS important as Duncan to the Spurs success. Suddenly the Knicks old idea where they wanted to pair Parker and Amare in that famous offseason appears BRILLIANT, even though I hated it back then.

P.S. Didn't see this game but the D-Wade dragon kick is absurd, Melo gets offensive fouls for minor contact with his off arm all the time...this dude Liu Kanged his way to the rim and got an And-One it appears!

http://sports.yahoo.com/sportsminute

I was sooooo down for that. Two playoff tested dudes. Though I wouldn't have predicted the increased role he has successfully taken on in Duncan's graceful decline.

[Tron Carter]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick

Nets announce PG Deron Williams will miss next 2 games because of "synovitis (inflammation of ankle joint linings) in both ankles."

pacers and nuggets next for them before the break

I actually feel obligated to root for the Nets for that Pacers game standings wise after we dropped the Clips game.

It would be hilarious if they win and Tayshaun Taylor goes all Jeremy Lin for 2 games.

[Thugger HBC]

I still want the Nets to lose.

They'll probably play better without Deron

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[GONYK]

I don't root for the Nets under any circumstances

[Capn'O]

You guys put yourselves in some tough situations here. Rather than hope for Net, Pacer, Celtic, or Bull success, I root for the Knicks to get the division 1/2 seed. Period.

We're ahead. If we're relying on the performances of other teams, that does not bode well for us.

[Thugger HBC]

You guys put yourselves in some tough situations here. Rather than hope for Net, Pacer, Celtic, or Bull success, I root for the Knicks to get the division 1/2 seed. Period.

We're ahead. If we're relying on the performances of other teams, that does not bode well for us.

Its a race you always look in front and back.

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[Capn'O]

You guys put yourselves in some tough situations here. Rather than hope for Net, Pacer, Celtic, or Bull success, I root for the Knicks to get the division 1/2 seed. Period.

We're ahead. If we're relying on the performances of other teams, that does not bode well for us.

Its a race you always look in front and back.

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For sure. But if our performance doesn't keep us ahead of these pretenders - and near as I can see, that's what we're dealing with here - then we are pretenders as well.

Knicks need to be better than this group of teams. The only team I will always hope to lose is Miami. Catching them would be fantastic.

[Fat Kat]

You guys put yourselves in some tough situations here. Rather than hope for Net, Pacer, Celtic, or Bull success, I root for the Knicks to get the division 1/2 seed. Period.

We're ahead. If we're relying on the performances of other teams, that does not bode well for us.

Its a race you always look in front and back.

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For sure. But if our performance doesn't keep us ahead of these pretenders - and near as I can see, that's what we're dealing with here - then we are pretenders as well.

Knicks need to be better than this group of teams. The only team I will always hope to lose is Miami. Catching them would be fantastic.

If they lose more than us, we get a better seed. That's how it works. What fans root for has no bearing on that.

[Thugger HBC]

You guys put yourselves in some tough situations here. Rather than hope for Net, Pacer, Celtic, or Bull success, I root for the Knicks to get the division 1/2 seed. Period.

We're ahead. If we're relying on the performances of other teams, that does not bode well for us.

Its a race you always look in front and back.

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For sure. But if our performance doesn't keep us ahead of these pretenders - and near as I can see, that's what we're dealing with here - then we are pretenders as well.

Knicks need to be better than this group of teams. The only team I will always hope to lose is Miami. Catching them would be fantastic.

Pretenders and contenders are determined once the game resets back to 0, the regular season are only the qualifier, not the gauge.

[Falstaffxx]

Block, and a dunk on Garcia. But rockets are not playing well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDa7dvf_5Ds[/youtube]

Ha, he doesn't do that very often.

Capn'O, you're ahead on ppg and fg% in your bet. I don't know if you're going to get the assists though. Harden is such a playmaker on that team. Rooting for you!

The bet was for .438 FG%, 6.3 APG and 12.3 PPG. He needs at least +0.1 in each category to win, so he basically needs .448 FG%, 6.4 APG and 12.4 PPG. Considering that there are 29 games left in the season, he needs Lin to average 7 APG during those game to win the bet or at least 6.7 APG not to lose. That seems like a difficult task.

The bottom line is that Lin is a 12/6 guy. He was a 12/6 guy when we made the bet and he will be a 12/6 guy when the season ends. He's not the 14/7 guy or whatever people were claiming in December.

ROFL no. I remember when the bet was posted. For the percentage he just has to be higher than 43.8% - ie, 43.9%. Not 44.8%.

[iHeartKNicks]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick

Nets announce PG Deron Williams will miss next 2 games because of "synovitis (inflammation of ankle joint linings) in both ankles."

pacers and nuggets next for them before the break

Does this mean a minute bump for CJ Watson? (for my fantasy team)

[Galloisdaman]

Context means a lot in discussions. People would now look at some of the players Isiah put together and see that Lee and Nate won players of the week last week. They would see Jcraw won 6th man of the year. They would see Zach and Lee are both all stars again.

In regards to Walsh he hired a experienced successful coach. I do not like that coach much now but at that time a lot of people had a lot of respect for Dantoni.

Gordan was looked at as a undersized 2 guard when Gallo was drafted. Now Gallo is on the rise playing all star level ball the last 2 months or so while Gordan's team is looking to trade him again.

Yes context does mean a lot.

Gordon has been the better player between him and Gallo but for the last 2 months. Which means he had a lot more value than Gallo for 3 years +. He was the center piece of the trade for CP3. Which means had we had him and Jennings the Melo trade would not have included that many players.

We would have kept some picks. You are a Gallo homer. So whatever. But yeah agreed context is key which you have none in your post.

KG said Gallo was deserving of being an all star. Now you can tell me how you know more about NBA players than KG.

[Fat Kat]

KG said Gallo was deserving of being an all star. Now you can tell me how you know more about NBA players than KG.

In this case yes, but KG was likely being cordial and paying a compliment. Gallo is an OK player, but his numbers are in line with an Al Harrington. Good piece but not an allstar.

[Galloisdaman]

KG said Gallo was deserving of being an all star. Now you can tell me how you know more about NBA players than KG.

In this case yes, but KG was likely being cordial and paying a complement. Gallo is an OK player, but his numbers are in line with a Al Harrington. Good piece but not an allstar.

I do not think he would have said it if he did not believe it. I actually agree with you and KG. I do not think Gallo is an all star this season but I believe he is on his way.

As far as Al Harrington goes and even Eric Gordan goes where you see the difference is in their win shares per 48 minutes. Gallo is much better than both in his effect on the games.

Al averages .074 win shares per 48 for his career.

Eric averages .086 win shares per 48 in his career.

Gallo is at .154 win shares per 48 this season and .128 win shares per 48 for his career.

[Fat Kat]

KG said Gallo was deserving of being an all star. Now you can tell me how you know more about NBA players than KG.

In this case yes, but KG was likely being cordial and paying a complement. Gallo is an OK player, but his numbers are in line with a Al Harrington. Good piece but not an allstar.

I do not think he would have said it if he did not believe it. I actually agree with you and KG. I do not think Gallo is an all star this season but I believe he is on his way.

As far as Al Harrington goes and even Eric Gordan goes where you see the difference is in their win shares per 48 minutes. Gallo is much better than both in his effect on the games.

Al averages .074 win shares per 48 for his career.

Eric averages .086 win shares per 48 in his career.

Gallo is at .154 win shares per 48 this season and .128 win shares per 48 for his career.

Yeah and Brad Miller and Nene have more win shares per 48 than Patrick Ewing.

[Galloisdaman]

Yeah and Brad Miller and Nene have more win shares per 48 than Patrick Ewing.

Actually Nene does not but Micheal Jordan, Larry Bird, and Bill Russell are among the 95 NBA players that do.

[Fat Kat]

Yeah and Brad Miller and Nene have more win shares per 48 than Patrick Ewing.

Actually Nene does not but Micheal Jordan, Larry Bird, and Bill Russell are among the 95 NBA players that do.

Yeah. Kevin Martin too. Save the advanced stats for baseball.