David Falk destroys Wall-Wizards but loves ernie?

[blazinskillz]

The guy has a career assist avg of 8.1 yet everyone who has an opinion questions his basketball intgelligence.

He also has a career turnover average of 3.8 and a career efg of .426. There's room for legitimate criticism.

Nobody said there isn't, but ppl act as though he's a dumba$$ and just runs fast while stumbling into assists.

Kyrie has a career turnover average of 3.2 w/ only 5.5 assists. Rubio has a career average of 3 TOx. Jrue Holiday is averaging 4 TOs per game this year. None of these players have career assist average higher than John. Where's the criticism there? They don't play for good teams. Why no criticism there?

I see that geeks and mathematicians wont answer this one. CP3 jr assist to to ratio is horrible but all people seem to do is pile on John's to. I dont hear anybody calling Rubio a bust when John has been the better player in the NBA. People seem to Forget John is still getting back into shape. He still missed 3 months of action and 33 games. We can ignore this like it aint a factor. With all the Kyrie love, his team is only one win better and he has played in a ton more games than John this year. But we're gonna ignore that as well. For all the love Jrue and the sixers been getting, they only won 7 more games than Washington. Since this season was already a lost cause, all I had hope is that john use his time to get in game shape and improve on some things. Still have like 27 more games to go. Kyrie may be the better player now(not a huge margin), but I think a Wall-Beal backcourt, eclipse a Kyrie/Waiters one.
Like I said earlier this season, I see Wall peak as a 19-5-9.5 with almost 2 steals and a block on something like 46%fg. People who were expecting D-Rose type scoring were crazy.

[GhostsOfGil]

I see that geeks and mathematicians wont answer this one. CP3 jr assist to to ratio is horrible but all people seem to do is pile on John's to. I dont hear anybody calling Rubio a bust when John has been the better player in the NBA. People seem to Forget John is still getting back into shape. He still missed 3 months of action and 33 games. We can ignore this like it aint a factor. With all the Kyrie love, his team is only one win better and he has played in a ton more games than John this year. But we're gonna ignore that as well. For all the love Jrue and the sixers been getting, they only won 7 more games than Washington. Since this season was already a lost cause, all I had hope is that john use his time to get in game shape and improve on some things. Still have like 27 more games to go. Kyrie may be the better player now(not a huge margin), but I think a Wall-Beal backcourt, eclipse a Kyrie/Waiters one.
Like I said earlier this season, I see Wall peak as a 19-5-9.5 with almost 2 steals and a block on something like 46%fg. People who were expecting D-Rose type scoring were crazy.

Uhhhhhh CP3 has an assist to turnover ratio of 4.49 which leads the NBA. Wall is ranked 44th at 2.16. No one is ignoring the positive impact John has had on this team... In fact there are pages worth of posts discussing it. You need to stop focusing on his raw scoring and assist averages and look at how effective he is as a player. Over 4 turnovers per game per 36 minutes is NOT good. eFG% of 42.6 is NOT good. No one is saying he won't improve but there's nothing wrong with discussing the obvious flaws to his game.

[blazinskillz]

I see that geeks and mathematicians wont answer this one. CP3 jr assist to to ratio is horrible but all people seem to do is pile on John's to. I dont hear anybody calling Rubio a bust when John has been the better player in the NBA. People seem to Forget John is still getting back into shape. He still missed 3 months of action and 33 games. We can ignore this like it aint a factor. With all the Kyrie love, his team is only one win better and he has played in a ton more games than John this year. But we're gonna ignore that as well. For all the love Jrue and the sixers been getting, they only won 7 more games than Washington. Since this season was already a lost cause, all I had hope is that john use his time to get in game shape and improve on some things. Still have like 27 more games to go. Kyrie may be the better player now(not a huge margin), but I think a Wall-Beal backcourt, eclipse a Kyrie/Waiters one.
Like I said earlier this season, I see Wall peak as a 19-5-9.5 with almost 2 steals and a block on something like 46%fg. People who were expecting D-Rose type scoring were crazy.

Uhhhhhh CP3 has an assist to turnover ratio of 4.49 which leads the NBA. Wall is ranked 44th at 2.16. No one is ignoring the positive impact John has had on this team... In fact there are pages worth of posts discussing it. You need to stop focusing on his raw scoring and assist averages and look at how effective he is as a player. Over 4 turnovers per game per 36 minutes is NOT good. eFG% of 42.6 is NOT good. No one is saying he won't improve but there's nothing wrong with discussing the obvious flaws to his game.

CP3 jr as in Kyrie Irving. I'm not that silly enough to put Wall's name with Chris Paul. I never proclaim Wall as the perfect player, I even said Kyrie is better the better player at the moment. Outside of predicting Wall's peak, I said nothing of raw scoring or assist numbers. His peers get much more love than him though and his faults are always brought up more than the "pages worth of posts discussing it". His peers (Holiday, Rubio, Kyrie, Lillard) arent THAT much better than him if they are.

[montestewart]

CP3 Jr. (horrible nickname, will only lead to confusion) is a poor comparison w/ CP3, except he can hit his 3s. He seems closer to Agent Zero or some other shoot first PG. Irving's also a poor comparison to Wall, who can't even hit an outside shot.

Irving is scoring 23.5 ppg, his TS% is about 70 points above Wall's, he shoots .425 from 3. As a rookie, he scored 34 points and won MVP in the Rising Stars Challenge, and as a sophomore, he scored 32 points in the Rising Stars Challenge, stole the shows with his one-on-one with Brandon Knight, won the 3 point shooting competition, and added 15 points in the all-star game, outshone at guard by only CP3.

Rubio gets press because he's a marketable international star. Holiday didn't enter the league with as high expectations, so he appears to be an ascending player, Lillard is a pretty phenomenal rookie. Wall came into the league with high expectations, had obvious flaws, looked pretty great as a rookie, but to me has done little to advance from there. He still has no shot, has largely abandoned the 3 (which he shot OK as a rookie), gets a lot of turnovers, and he's just returning from injury.

How much love should he get? It's no surprise to me that the team looks better with him than without him, but his game looks very similar to what it was. How far can the team go with that? There's a reason some of those other players get more love in the press and (occasionally) on this board, though I wouldn't necessarily trade Wall for any of them. He's on our team, and he has to improve, or our team may suck forever!

[JonathanJoseph]

Wasn't here to discuss this earlier, but David Falk expressed the same concerns I've been voicing for going on two years. What Wall lacks are not things you learn. Falk, SVG, the bandwagon is growing.

"PG's aren't made, they are sent from heaven." - Flip Saunders.

Oh how I wish it weren't so. The Curse of Lez Boulez.

[Upper Decker]

I wonder if wall read falks comments. Maybe he did maybe not, but falk sure does look spot on during the Raptors game. Its not crazy to say he's easily been the worst player in the game. No feel, out of control, bad TO's, awful shot. Ugh. So disappointing.

[hands11]

Wall is just not a very smart person. He seems like he is more in line with NY and McGee regarding IQ then he does Beal, Okafor, Nene and Webster.

He took the bait. He listened to the critics. And he saw Kyrie, Jrue and Westbrook in the ASG and I think he got jealous. He wants so badly to get the props Kyrie is getting. He wants to be able to shoot from outside. But John... You can't. Stop trying to be something you aren't. Being Rondo doesn't suck. Rondo is a really good player. And a lot of the reason he is one is because he know he couldn't shoot so he did other things that he could do really well.

John could be such an effective player if he would just do the things he can do and do them better. Leave the outside shooting for another day.

But in year three, he is still picking up his dribble. Really. Your the #1 pick and a starting NBA PG in year 3. You don't pick up your dribble 5 times a game. You don't jump with no where to pass. You probe the defense and move them and pass. You know, like you did for 6 straight quarter until you brain farted in the DET game.

Wall just isn't very smart, wise, whatever you want to call it. And that has me feeling like you can't trust him to do the right thing when he needs to. The bigger the game, the more I think he will want to force things and be the guy. Like Gil would. You can't build around a PG like that.

With a shot as bad as his is right now, it can get better but he will never be good. He isn't going to be Westbrook. He isn't a shooter. He should have started working on that a long time ago but he didn't because he could get away with being faster. See, that isn't very smart/wise. Or its lazy. I don't know. Did he really think he could just outrun everyone in the NBA. I guess he did because he tried to do it last year.

Sorry, but you can't build a franchise around dumb and not developing his shot a long time ago was just dump. Shooting endlessly like he just did when you can't shoot is very dumb.

He needs to be the best John Wall he can be and I don't think he can except that. He wants to be something he isn't and its hurting his development and its stopping the team from being more consistent.

I would be more entertained watching Ves shoot 12 times. It couldn't look any worse then that.

That game he just showed us is very very concerning from a 3rd year #1 draft pick. I don't know if time will fix that level of immaturity. That was just an ugly stupid game. No self control at all. No self awareness. And very little skill.

That is the type of game you keep in the back of your mind where you say, I'm trading this dude as soon as his value starts to go up again.

I'm building around Beal. I need to find him a PG.

[FAH1223]

Hands,

Gilbert Arenas was smarter IMO and he could shoot. He single handily took over games on the perimeter and teams couldn't stop him.

[Deivy202]

Hands,

Gilbert Arenas was smarter IMO and he could shoot. He single handily took over games on the perimeter and teams couldn't stop him.

Agent-0 was way better than wall and most of all a clutch player he in his prime put his back.

[FAH1223]

Hands,

Gilbert Arenas was smarter IMO and he could shoot. He single handily took over games on the perimeter and teams couldn't stop him.

Agent-0 was way better than wall and most of all a clutch player he in his prime put his back.

Wall is already a better defender than Gilbert ever was... but man, offensively.. Gilbert could do it all. His shot selection in his prime could have used work to where he should have taken more efficient shots or get his teammates more involved.

I feel so old comparing a 22 year old Wall to a 22 year old Arenas.

[Illmatic21]

I wonder if wall read falks comments. Maybe he did maybe not, but falk sure does look spot on during the Raptors game. Its not crazy to say he's easily been the worst player in the game. No feel, out of control, bad TO's, awful shot. Ugh. So disappointing.

He did. A Wiz blogger/journalist emailed him the comments (can't remember who exactly) and asked for his response, and Wall responded saying he wasn't paying attention to the criticism.

[closg00]

This has gotta hurt, Johns's back-up is the most sought-after player ahead of the deadline.
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