CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.

[BobbyLight]

Opportunity cost. Plus if we absolutely love Smith we can have him in the offseason anyway. We have the cap space to sigh him as a free agent.

Then trade the guy who's leaving anyhow to get Smith's Bird-Rights... because I don't care how much the Bucks love Smith, he's getting a max deal somewhere and if he gets to pick, it won't be here. Not that I am disappointed about that. I don't have a hard-on for Smith but since my soul has been crushed slowly over many years from being a Bucks fan, I know how this team operates so we might as well trade one of our terrible guards for a guy who I think would have a more positive impact than Ellis ever could. So if we really want him and really want to keep him, I think we need Bird-Rights.

For the record, if Ellis played like a PG, I think he would be amazing. That means focusing on passing and taking smart shots. When he plays like that, he's honestly a very good player. Problem is, he plays like that MAYBE 5% of the time he's on court.

[Godgers]

I'll take Ellis for Josh Smith since they are both a rental just for this year and I rather have Smith and think he has more value.

Dont get some of the love for Redick as hes no better than Dunleavy and I rather have Dunleavy. Anybody that gave a 1st for Redick should be fired and banned from the NBA for 5 years.

Bucks should counter and say they want Arron Afflalo instead if there giving up a 1st.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Plus, to get him don't we probably have to give up tobes at least?

I was under the impression it was Dally. Never saw Tobes in this rumor.

That's was speculation by me and a couple other people because of the fact that Ellis/Daly on their own is better offer than Brooks/Hump so we were wondering why we would even need to include Tobes to beat the nets offer...

[BobbyLight]

So what are we thinking here? Dalembert and Monta for Smith and Morrow (or Devin Harris)?

I'd be 100% fine with that... This Reddick and a first, not so much.

[crkone]

Plus, to get him don't we probably have to give up tobes at least?

I was under the impression it was Dally. Never saw Tobes in this rumor.

That's was speculation by me and a couple other people because of the fact that Ellis/Daly on their own is better offer than Brooks/Hump so we were wondering why we would even need to include Tobes to beat the nets offer...

Can be Ellis/Udoh for Smith/Morrow too, or Ellis/Dunleavy too.

[blazza18]

Typical damn Bucks. No no no no no no no.

Id give up a first for Eric Gordon but no way would I give one up for Redick.

YUCK !!!!!!

[arkknight1988]

I'll take Ellis for Josh Smith since they are both a rental just for this year and I rather have Smith and think he has more value.

Dont get some of the love for Redick as hes no better than Dunleavy and I rather have Dunleavy. Anybody that gave a 1st for Redick should be fired and banned from the NBA for 5 years.

Bucks should counter and say they want Arron Afflalo instead if there giving up a 1st.

Redick was a lottery pick and is living up to his potential. He gives you 15ppg and 5 assists. I don't care if you want him or not but ur disrespecting the hard work he has put in over the years to get where he is at

[whatthe_buck!?]

Opportunity cost. Plus if we absolutely love Smith we can have him in the offseason anyway. We have the cap space to sigh him as a free agent.

Then trade the guy who's leaving anyhow to get Smith's Bird-Rights... because I don't care how much the Bucks love Smith, he's getting a max deal somewhere and if he gets to pick, it won't be here. Not that I am disappointed about that. I don't have a hard-on for Smith but since my soul has been crushed slowly over many years from being a Bucks fan, I know how this team operates so we might as well trade one of our terrible guards for a guy who I think would have a more positive impact than Ellis ever could. So if we really want him and really want to keep him, I think we need Bird-Rights.

For the record, if Ellis played like a PG, I think he would be amazing. That means focusing on passing and taking smart shots. When he plays like that, he's honestly a very good player. Problem is, he plays like that MAYBE 5% of the time he's on court.

See now you're talking pure insanity. Why the hell would we need Josh Smiths bird rights? So we can give him a 5 yr 90 mil contract????????????? If he won't sign for less than what we can offer with our cap space and without his bird rights we would have to be absolutely nuts to sign him. U can have have paying josh f*cking smith nearly 20 mil a season on your conscience if u want, I'm not the one tho...

[CanadaBucks]

I think it's hilarious how people get worked up about unsubstantiated rumours and inferred conclusions about these rumours.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Ok, that makes sense. I was confused on the bolded part.

Sorry man, typo, I'm a dumb*ss lol...

[paulpressey25]

I like the idea of getting Afflalo instead of Redick, but would assume if the Bucks are even contemplating this deal that they prefer Redick.

[whatthe_buck!?]

I think it's hilarious how people get worked up about unsubstantiated rumours and inferred conclusions about these rumours.

If we didn't do exactly that then all we would be left with is the unbearably depressing reality of the Bucks f*cking up yet another trade deadline lol...

[arkknight1988]

I'll take Ellis for Josh Smith since they are both a rental just for this year and I rather have Smith and think he has more value.

Dont get some of the love for Redick as hes no better than Dunleavy and I rather have Dunleavy. Anybody that gave a 1st for Redick should be fired and banned from the NBA for 5 years.

Bucks should counter and say they want Arron Afflalo instead if there giving up a 1st.

Redick was a lottery pick and is living up to his potential. He gives you 15ppg and 5 assists. I don't care if you want him or not but ur disrespecting the hard work he has put in over the years to get where he is at

For the record redick is better than Afflalo at just about everything besides defense

[BobbyLight]

See now you're talking pure insanity. Why the hell would we need Josh Smiths bird rights? So we can give him a 5 yr 90 mil contract????????????? If he won't sign for less than what we can offer with our cap space and without his bird rights we would have to be absolutely nuts to sign him. U can have have paying josh f*cking smith nearly 20 mil a season on your conscience if u want, I'm not the one tho...

Did you see the part where I said I wouldn't be disappointed if we didn't do that? I (me) wants nothing to do with giving him that much money. But I worry that the people who actually make those choices don't think like I do. I don't even want Smith at the max free agent deal minus the bird rights. I just expect the Bucks to always go out in a blaze and if we're doing this, that's how I see it going down.

Also, after looking at stats, why can we not just start MDJ? Him and Redick appear to be the same player. I assume we'd trade for Redick to be a starter... well, we already got a guy with the same game, similar per 36 stats. So do that and bring LRMAM off the bench and put him on the hottest guy. I see no need for another MDJ on the team.

[superelkman]

Redick was a lottery pick and is living up to his potential. He gives you 15ppg and 5 assists. I don't care if you want him or not but ur disrespecting the hard work he has put in over the years to get where he is at

Didn't know JJ Redicks mom had an account on this forum.

[smauss]

We shouldn't include a pick period, unless it is to acquire a top tier all-star type talent IMHO.

[Baddy Chuck]

We shouldn't include a pick period, unless it is to acquire a top tier all-star type talent IMHO.

Pretty much. Hammond has done a great job drafting, not sure why he'd be so fast to pull the trigger on that deal. I know you can't hit them all but what if Orlando came wanting Henson or Sanders for Redick, that's about where our pick is going to be.

[raws]

I wouldn't be terribly upset with this deal if we had negotiated some contract with Redick prior. He is what a team with BJ3 needs: An extremely efficient SG.

[whatthe_buck!?]

See now you're talking pure insanity. Why the hell would we need Josh Smiths bird rights? So we can give him a 5 yr 90 mil contract????????????? If he won't sign for less than what we can offer with our cap space and without his bird rights we would have to be absolutely nuts to sign him. U can have have paying josh f*cking smith nearly 20 mil a season on your conscience if u want, I'm not the one tho...

Did you see the part where I said I wouldn't be disappointed if we didn't do that? I (me) wants nothing to do with giving him that much money. But I worry that the people who actually make those choices don't think like I do. I don't even want Smith at the max free agent deal minus the bird rights. I just expect the Bucks to always go out in a blaze and if we're doing this, that's how I see it going down.

Also, after looking at stats, why can we not just start MDJ? Him and Redick appear to be the same player. I assume we'd trade for Redick to be a starter... well, we already got a guy with the same game, similar per 36 stats. So do that and bring LRMAM off the bench and put him on the hottest guy. I see no need for another MDJ

Fair enough. My reading conprehension has been below average even by my low standards today so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt on what u meant there. And I totally agree with u about Redick...

[H2tObes]

I don't really mind giving up a first for Redick, he's a good player and the player we get is going to be in the 15-20 range in an extremely weak draft.

It's the lrmam part that really bugs me.

edit: also i just don't see us hitting on a mid 1st round pick 4 years in a row, that'd be pretty incredible.