The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2)

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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#61 » by SideshowBob » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:41 am

Dr Spaceman wrote:Do you guys think this is really just a "streak", or is this the new norm for Lebron? Honestly, I see a guy who "flipped the switch" and is working his way out of cruise control to gear up for the playoffs.

Also, has there ever been a guy who dominated the league mentally AND physically like he is this year? I mean, he'll beat everyone down court and get his head at the rim for the dunk, and then the next play call an iso, jab step 5 times, and drill a 3 with a hand in his face. He is just on top of the world right now mentally, physically, and skill-wise. It's gotta be so demoralizing to play against.


TBH he's still in cruise control to an extent. You have to look beyond the outstanding numbers to see it. While the PPG and FG% in this streak look nice, they paint a slightly misleading picture.

Take the Charlotte game for example. Most of the world sees the 13/14 and thinks " :o 93% shooting and the only shot he missed was a fastbreak layup!" But go back and watch the game. His lack of aggression in the late second quarter and really throughout the 3rd quarter let Charlotte stay in the game far longer than they should have. He largely disengaged himself from the game because it seemed like it was already in hand, and cause, you know, its the Bobcats. That's not to say he wasn't doing other positive things, but had he maintained his aggressiveness consistently through the first 3 periods, the game would have not needed to be close in the fourth, James would've sat, likely with a lower FG% and perhaps fewer points as well, but it would have been a better game in my mind.

Or the Houston game. The first 25 minutes of that game were absurd. He looked on pace for 40 in just three quarters, he had it firing on all cylinders that night. Once the lead had widened in the third quarter however, he took his foot off the gas again, and further, Houston started shading hard. He never really readjusted after that (he certainly could have), and just sort of pulled it out in the 4th. Underwhelming game to me, but again, looks ridiculous on the stat-sheet.

Now I don't want to make it look I'm saying he was playing awful, because he certainly wasn't, but it's clear to me that he's still not playing at top gear right now (which actually makes his current run sustainable), and that he's got another level or two he can jump up to in the postseason. I may be nitpicking, but I do think there are a handful of things that he can and will improve on when the games become more important.
But in his home dwelling...the hi-top faded warrior is revered. *Smack!* The sound of his palm blocking the basketball... the sound of thousands rising, roaring... the sound of "get that sugar honey iced tea outta here!"
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#62 » by colts18 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:06 am

SideshowBob wrote:TBH he's still in cruise control to an extent. You have to look beyond the outstanding numbers to see it. While the PPG and FG% in this streak look nice, they paint a slightly misleading picture.

Take the Charlotte game for example. Most of the world sees the 13/14 and thinks " :o 93% shooting and the only shot he missed was a fastbreak layup!" But go back and watch the game. His lack of aggression in the late second quarter and really throughout the 3rd quarter let Charlotte stay in the game far longer than they should have. He largely disengaged himself from the game because it seemed like it was already in hand, and cause, you know, its the Bobcats. That's not to say he wasn't doing other positive things, but had he maintained his aggressiveness consistently through the first 3 periods, the game would have not needed to be close in the fourth, James would've sat, likely with a lower FG% and perhaps fewer points as well, but it would have been a better game in my mind.

Or the Houston game. The first 25 minutes of that game were absurd. He looked on pace for 40 in just three quarters, he had it firing on all cylinders that night. Once the lead had widened in the third quarter however, he took his foot off the gas again, and further, Houston started shading hard. He never really readjusted after that (he certainly could have), and just sort of pulled it out in the 4th. Underwhelming game to me, but again, looks ridiculous on the stat-sheet.

Now I don't want to make it look I'm saying he was playing awful, because he certainly wasn't, but it's clear to me that he's still not playing at top gear right now (which actually makes his current run sustainable), and that he's got another level or two he can jump up to in the postseason. I may be nitpicking, but I do think there are a handful of things that he can and will improve on when the games become more important.
Honestly I don't see the Heat losing. Just look at LeBron's lineup page and check out some of the net ratings of the 2, 3, and 4 man combos.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... eups/2013/

For example when LeBron, Wade, and Battier play, they are +19.0. On offense they are 118.4 per 100.

How about this for crazy. LeBron has 10 different 3 man lineup combos that have played 400 minutes. You want to guess where the Wade/Bosh/LeBron lineup rank among those 10? They are in 10th place with a +11.5 per 100 possessions.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#63 » by SideshowBob » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:19 am

@colts

James + Wade (No Bosh)

ORTG: 125.3 (+19.8)
DRTG: 101.3 (-4.2)
Net: +24.1 in 271.6 minutes

James + Bosh (No Wade)

ORTG: 120.6 (+15.1)
DRTG: 104.1 (-1.4)
Net: +16.6 in 236.1 minutes

Wade + Bosh (No James)

ORTG: 101.0 (-5.5)
DRTG: 114.6 (+9.1)
Net: -13.7 in 112.0 minutes

Bosh + James + Wade

ORTG: 115.5 (+10.0)
DRTG: 104.0 (-1.5)
Net: +11.5 in 1064.6 minutes
But in his home dwelling...the hi-top faded warrior is revered. *Smack!* The sound of his palm blocking the basketball... the sound of thousands rising, roaring... the sound of "get that sugar honey iced tea outta here!"
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Post#64 » by colts18 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:24 am

SideshowBob wrote:@colts

James + Wade (No Bosh)

ORTG: 125.3 (+19.8)
DRTG: 101.3 (-4.2)
Net: +24.1 in 271.6 minutes

James + Bosh (No Wade)

ORTG: 120.6 (+15.1)
DRTG: 104.1 (-1.4)
Net: +16.6 in 236.1 minutes

Wade + Bosh (No James)

ORTG: 101.0 (-5.5)
DRTG: 114.6 (+9.1)
Net: -13.7 in 112.0 minutes

Bosh + James + Wade

ORTG: 115.5 (+10.0)
DRTG: 104.0 (-1.5)
Net: +11.5 in 1064.6 minutes

The Heat have also had a lot of good lineups with Chalmers, Battier, and Haslem this year. Unfortunately, they haven't done anything with Ray Allen. That should have been an amazing fit yet so far the team is actually playing better offensively with him off the court.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#65 » by SideshowBob » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:31 am

Yeah I've been underwhelmed with Allen there too. It's strange that the coaching staff couldn't figure that one out. 117 ORTG with Allen off the floor in about the same amount of minutes as him off the floor. You'd think the spacing effect he brings would pay massive dividends, but it just hasn't been there. Part of the problem is just the way he's being utilized. He's far too frequently seen attacking the basket or posting up. There really should be no reason for him to be doing anything else offensively outside of working on getting open looks from outside.
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Post#66 » by SideshowBob » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:52 am

Just gotta say that after rewatching highlights from his first two Miami seasons, the weight change is just blatantly apparent. He looks MUCH slimmer right now than he did in 11, when he just looked clearly bulky. That's easily the biggest factor right now, and that was pretty much our first guess when the issue became apparent anyway.
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Post#67 » by Sony17 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:10 am

SideshowBob wrote:Just gotta say that after rewatching highlights from his first two Miami seasons, the weight change is just blatantly apparent. He looks MUCH slimmer right now than he did in 11, when he just looked clearly bulky. That's easily the biggest factor right now, and that was pretty much our first guess when the issue became apparent anyway.

I'm surprised no one really mentions this but I've always noticed this also. In 09 he's huge. In 10 he slims down and in 11 he the biggest yet. 12 and 13 seems closer to 09 now. I don't know why he bulked up so much in 11
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Post#68 » by jjgp111292 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:26 pm

I'm watching a couple of games from 2010-11, and yeah the bulkiness is definitely noticable. You can also tell from how stiffer his general movements are, whereas this year and last season he's moving with a lot more smoothness and fluidity.
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Post#69 » by toodles23 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:33 pm

Sony17 wrote:
SideshowBob wrote:Just gotta say that after rewatching highlights from his first two Miami seasons, the weight change is just blatantly apparent. He looks MUCH slimmer right now than he did in 11, when he just looked clearly bulky. That's easily the biggest factor right now, and that was pretty much our first guess when the issue became apparent anyway.

I'm surprised no one really mentions this but I've always noticed this also. In 09 he's huge. In 10 he slims down and in 11 he the biggest yet. 12 and 13 seems closer to 09 now. I don't know why he bulked up so much in 11

He's definitely bigger in '10 than '09, it's pretty obvious. He was putting on weight every single year of his career until the '11 offseason.
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Post#70 » by PCProductions » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:16 am

Strong half from Lebron. Aside from a couple of questionable shot choices, he's been looking like our current, streaking Lebron and continues to go high volume with high efficiency. Teammates have been iffy, this game is Lebron's to win.
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Post#71 » by SideshowBob » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:23 am

18 points in 18.5 minutes on 71% TS in the first half. I think it's getting to the point where we accept that this is no longer a streak.
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Post#72 » by toodles23 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:27 am

Lebron played a pretty crappy game for his recent standards, but ended with 24/6/11 on 53% FG and 64 TS%. He is on a completely different level right now.

I expect a better game tomorrow night against the Bulls, I think he'll be motivated after the loss to them earlier in the season. He didn't have to expend much energy tonight, which likely means he'll have fresh legs tomorrow.
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Post#73 » by Mutnt » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:40 am

Typical LeBron, plays a great half where he hits almost everything and then proceeds to fade into the background and let others work on offense. Bad 3rd quarter but came back pretty decently in the 4th, still didn't look to score but he obliterated the Hawks with his passing from the top of the key.
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Post#74 » by toodles23 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:55 am

Mutnt wrote:Typical LeBron, plays a great half where he hits almost everything and then proceeds to fade into the background and let others work on offense. Bad 3rd quarter but came back pretty decently in the 4th, still didn't look to score but he obliterated the Hawks with his passing from the top of the key.

He was great after his brief rest period in the 4th, he facilitated the offense perfectly and just picked the Hawks apart standing in the same spot at the top of the key. Didn't even need to dribble or shoot to dominate the last 5-6 minutes. The Heat's ORTG must have been ridiculous when Lebron was on the court in the 4th.

Heat now have a better record than the Thunder, btw. Durant really doesn't have a case for MVP at this point, Lebron has pretty much sealed it - which sucks for Durant, if he had this season in most other years, he'd be the MVP. He's well beyond '11 Rose, for example.
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Post#75 » by SideshowBob » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:27 am

It was 20 points in about 11 possessions, so a 182 ORTG
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Post#76 » by PCProductions » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:54 am

I loved it when "Lebrondo" comes out to play. Those passes in the 4th... Mm mm good!
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Post#77 » by mademan » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:58 am

It's ridiculous that 24/11/6 on 8/15 FG and 4 steals is considered a less than stellar game for Lebron.
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Post#78 » by toodles23 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:07 am

PCProductions wrote:I loved it when "Lebrondo" comes out to play. Those passes in the 4th... Mm mm good!

He had 8 assists in the 4th, many of them were from him standing at the top of the key and just using his timing/courtvision to put his teammates in perfect position to score. As Sideshow said, the Heat had a 182 ORTG in 11 possessions. Ridiculous. And it was really 9 assists, his cross court pass to Wade on the break resulted in 2 FTs.
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Post#79 » by Sony17 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:38 am

Mutnt wrote:Typical LeBron, plays a great half where he hits almost everything and then proceeds to fade into the background and let others work on offense. Bad 3rd quarter but came back pretty decently in the 4th, still didn't look to score but he obliterated the Hawks with his passing from the top of the key.

This is Lebron get used to it he could care less about scoring when his passing is just as good. He right now is on prime Jason Kidd level f controlling the offence
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Post#80 » by IG2 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:08 am

SideshowBob wrote:Just gotta say that after rewatching highlights from his first two Miami seasons, the weight change is just blatantly apparent. He looks MUCH slimmer right now than he did in 11, when he just looked clearly bulky. That's easily the biggest factor right now, and that was pretty much our first guess when the issue became apparent anyway.


Thing is though, even when he was massive early this year(preseason, especially), he was still moving better than he ever had the last 2 seasons, which made me question whether weight played a significant role at all in his shell of a body the last 2 seasons.

He IS clearly slimmer this season compared to the last 2, but I don't think that explains why he's moving a lot better, given what we saw in the Olympics and early this season. It's something that just cannot be explained.

On a different topic....

Part of the problem is just the way he's being utilized. He's far too frequently seen attacking the basket or posting up.


I don't know how much of this by design. I routinely see Allen waving off LeBron and Wade to create out there. He really seems to LIKE to dribble the ball.

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