Trade Targets, Part Deux

[Ronito]

Pierce's deal is only guaranteed $5 million for 2013. If we waive him, would that $5M be a cap hit? Trying to figure out what would happen in regards to the apron as an alternate deal for Gordon, if we were to hypothetically trade for him.

FWIW, I don't think Boston moves Pierce anyway. He's the heart and soul of their franchise, not team.

You do realize that cash over rules heart and soul in sports right? Think of some of the names in sports throughout history who have worn more than one uniform.

As for the contract...why dump him? Trade him AGAIN at the trade deadline of the walk year and that contract is worth a lot to someone else. Its a smart contract to acquire long term and a big upgrade short term. And if we can get rid of Crash to a third team...we didnt make things worse for ourselves...we made them better.

Depends on the situation. I honestly don't see them getting anything worthwhile.

And if you think the heart and soul stuff is BS, people very well connected with the Celtics say that is playing a factor (like Bill Simmons). Whether it's right or wrong is a different discussion.

[enetric]

S&T for D12?

No! We know we cant S&T for him this summer. That wouldnt change based on this trade.

[PierceGarnett]

Why does Billy King always offer the same packages to teams

No Offense but as a celtics fan im offended at humphries and brooks for Pierce

[enetric]

Pierce's deal is only guaranteed $5 million for 2013. If we waive him, would that $5M be a cap hit? Trying to figure out what would happen in regards to the apron as an alternate deal for Gordon, if we were to hypothetically trade for him.

FWIW, I don't think Boston moves Pierce anyway. He's the heart and soul of their franchise, not team.

The way I read it is that if Pierce is waived his cap hit is $5m instead of $16m odd, so it's roughly a $10m savings.

Not worth giving up our assets for it when you could get Gordon for free to swing as a huge expiring at the next deadline along with all our future picks & Brooks.

So dont waive PP. But you can trade him again same as Gordon.

And if we can work it to land KG as well...then you have something.

[enetric]

I think if we (Boston) make this move we would ask for more.

But if we decide to tank (trade KG for Bledsoe/Jordan and Pierce for youth/picks) Terry would also be available, if that would interest you?

Maybe find a third team to take Wallace?

But Boston fans need to stop pretending that the Clippers rumor is viable. As if...snap your fingers and its a done deal. Clips havent said yes, KG hasnt said yes. So no one out there has to beat that deal.

I agree we need a 3rd team for Wallace though. Key for any offer is saving money for Boston.

[Ronito]

Why does Billy King always offer the same packages to teams

No Offense but as a celtics fan im offended at humphries and brooks for Pierce

We don't have anything else

[enetric]

And if you think the heart and soul stuff is BS, people very well connected with the Celtics say that is playing a factor (like Bill Simmons). Whether it's right or wrong is a different discussion.

Depends on just how much cash we are talking about. If you save a team salary plus luxury taxes over the course of a couple of season...and it adds up to a big nut...there are times you turn the corner and move on. Boston's window is close no matter how well they have played of late. In fact...this stretch hurts Ainge because it creates false expectation. The savvy move here is save MILLIONS...and bag some picks and prospects while you can.

[NyCeEvO]

Why does Billy King always offer the same packages to teams

No Offense but as a celtics fan im offended at humphries and brooks for Pierce

We're only hearing rumors.

These could be totally false reports. People created the Rondo-Howard thing out of nowhere.

Maybe BK is trying to see if BOS is willing to trade PP to ATL so that we can get Josh Smith and you guys can take MarShon, Hump, and picks.

Idk..but until a deal is done, you should take everything with a grain of salt.

[enetric]

Why does Billy King always offer the same packages to teams

No Offense but as a celtics fan im offended at humphries and brooks for Pierce

Because we have nothing else to offer. He is hoping that due to the size of PP's contract that Boston will be cash motivated to take their only offer for him.

Would you as a fan be less insulted of Hump was an expiring contract? of course not. But Boston would be a lot more interested.

Fans always want picks or players they can see winning games long term. They never think in terms of saving millions. But the team's do.

[PierceGarnett]

See thats the thing, Celtics are also after Josh Smith so why would they trade PP to the Nets for Humphries and Brooks so the nets can use PP to get Smith

Celtics could just trade PP and Melo for Smith if that is the case since Smith > Humphries/Brooks

But i dont even think thats the case Ainge is trying to get Smith and add him to PP and KG

i just think the Humphries / Brooks deal is Bad

and im certain the celtics dont see trading PP for a salary dump as you say as an option at all, not even in the realm of being possible

[vincecarter4pres]

What an awful end to a great career if you're Pierce if he was traded here and then just used again on draft night as a huge partially guaranteed contract.

[vincecarter4pres]

I swear to **** ing god if Kingtard trades Brook for pretty much anything outside Dwight I will be pissed!

[N Ireland Nets]

If we traded for Pierce and cut him in the summer, our cap would be at $77,341,979. Moves could be made to get below the tax line to target someone like Howard in a sign and trade deal.

Could find a way to shave $3,341,979 off the cap and make a deal for Howard. Completely unlikely because we're never getting Pierce but that would be an interesting angle. Move Tele & Evans and we'd be getting real close to the tax level....wth why am I even typing this, Pierce isn't going to be a Net.

[NyCeEvO]

I swear to **** ing god if Kingtard trades Brook for pretty much anything outside Dwight I will be pissed!

I don't see how or why he'd trade Brook.

Doesn't make any sense.

[NyCeEvO]

If we traded for Pierce and cut him in the summer, our cap would be at $77,341,979. Moves could be made to get below the tax line to target someone like Howard in a sign and trade deal.

Could find a way to shave $3,341,979 off the cap and make a deal for Howard. Completely unlikely because we're never getting Pierce but that would be an interesting angle. Move Tele & Evans and we'd be getting real close to the tax level....wth why am I even typing this, Pierce isn't going to be a Net.

This is what I was wondering about with the PP deal.

I know E said "No" but that's the only way it makes sense to me. The Nets shedding more salary on draft night so when the FA period opens, he can say "You can trade me to BKN or I'm going to HOU"

[NyCeEvO]

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Re Paul Pierce: remain calm. This appears to be coming from BOS.

[Paradise]

I swear to **** ing god if Kingtard trades Brook for pretty much anything outside Dwight I will be pissed!

You're letting your hate for him get the best of you now lol

[enetric]

See thats the thing, Celtics are also after Josh Smith so why would they trade PP to the Nets for Humphries and Brooks so the nets can use PP to get Smith

Celtics could just trade PP and Melo for Smith if that is the case since Smith > Humphries/Brooks

But i dont even think thats the case Ainge is trying to get Smith and add him to PP and KG

i just think the Humphries / Brooks deal is Bad

and im certain the celtics dont see trading PP for a salary dump as you say as an option at all, not even in the realm of being possible

PP isnt netting anyone Smith. So lets stop right there. Not for you not for us....not happening.

I agree Hump is a bad deal for you guy...because he isnt expiring. But overall you proved my point. Fans never want to see the reality of their teams looking at salary dumping when it makes sense to start rebuilding but it happens all the time. The more cash you save someone the less in asset you end up including.


I can see a scenario where you cant get Smith. Cant get the Clips deal for KG. And King finds a way to covert Wallace to an expiring contract...and send that guy along with Hump, our euro players, and picks...gets KG AND PP. Boston fans go nuts...and think why didnt we do the Smith deal? Or the Clips deal? Those were better!

And the answer is...because you never had those deals and instead Boston saves 20mil+ from the books for a team whose window is closed and found the one team in the league who who give up some assets, save them cash and let the rebuild begin...oh and one that perhaps KG says sure...I would waive the NT clause for.

From a GM standpoint...not a fan standpoint...if you had an offer with 3-4 picks, 2 Euro stashed players, Marshon Brooks...and saved millions while Rondo rehabs? Hard not to take that to ownership when you know that your window is closed and you can move two old veteran highly paid players.


To me the key to having a real conversation with Boston or Atlanta or whoever for the Nets is getting a large expiring contractor combo of contracts to offer. I dont care if they convert Wallace or Hump into the expiring part of this. But to me that is the stumbling block right now. Not the asset compensation the "fans" of the opponent covet.

Most teams are sellers right now in fear of LT fro future seasons. The one team that isnt? Brooklyn. And that is what we are selling. To do it right for Boston though...have to make the deal even bigger.

[enetric]

If we traded for Pierce and cut him in the summer, our cap would be at $77,341,979. Moves could be made to get below the tax line to target someone like Howard in a sign and trade deal.

Could find a way to shave $3,341,979 off the cap and make a deal for Howard. Completely unlikely because we're never getting Pierce but that would be an interesting angle. Move Tele & Evans and we'd be getting real close to the tax level....wth why am I even typing this, Pierce isn't going to be a Net.

This is what I was wondering about with the PP deal.

I know E said "No" but that's the only way it makes sense to me. The Nets shedding more salary on draft night so when the FA period opens, he can say "You can trade me to BKN or I'm going to HOU"

Look, I guess in theory its possible...but I dont see it going down like that.

[vincecarter4pres]

One thing that hasn't been discussed...

If the rumor was true that King was trying to setup a 3 team deal with Love going to Minnesota for Dwight and Lopez going to the Wolves... anyone think there's a chance he offers the Wolves Brook for Love straight up as an eleventh hour deal once he accepts that Mitch is not moving Dwight?

I don't even know how I'd feel about that and although I would love to hear people's thoughts on that swap, I'm more interested in hearing your opinion on if King will actually offer it.