Redick, Ayon & Smith to the Bucks for Harris, Lamb and Udrih

[whatthe_buck!?]

Listening to the Podcast PP posted and I really enjoy listening to Ted Davis. I'm new to the Milwaukee media stuff but he seems really good and for a rebuild/

Ted Davis is the best thing associated with the entire Bucks organization.

[ampd]

Yeah, Hammond sucks and should have been gone 2 years ago. Kohl sucks. This trade deadline has nothing to do with that though.

Sure it does. We just wasted another year when we could have gotten a plan started. Plans take a couple years. And every year we never start one.

Thats the thing that bothers me. At least if it was Josh Smith the plan is clear. Assemble some good defenders who are athletic. Get a couple shooters. Pay him his money. I might not like the plan but at least it makes sense and has a non zero chance of making us a home court team if executed well.

But instead we got the wrong half of that plan.

[Rockmaninoff]

I'm thrilled they didn't give up the pick. It has much more inherent value. It's like the game show where you can either take the blender or pick what's behind the door. The pick is the dream. Harris is reality. Everyone is a dreamer.

[ReddWing]

Ted Davis is the best thing associated with the entire Bucks organization.

Agreed. Bango is cool too and one of the better mascots.

[drew881]

I'm thrilled they didn't give up the pick. It has much more inherent value. It's like the game show where you can either take the blender or pick what's behind the door. The pick is the dream. Harris is reality. Everyone is a dreamer.

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[paulpressey25]

But instead we got the wrong half of that plan.

We went ahead and bought the trailer before we learned our credit was revoked and we couldn't buy the boat to go on it.

[Nebula1]

I'm not reading this entire thread, but I will say JJ is obviously a great pick up for the Playoff run. It is also obviously frustrating and disappointing to move Tobias Harris so quickly.

Now the Bucks lack a SG and SF for the future. However, they retained their pick and will likely use it on one of those spots.

All in all, I'm not really excited about the move but Hammond could have done much worse. I'm bummed Harris is gone, but thankfully the pick remains.

[Scoops]

Yeah, Hammond sucks and should have been gone 2 years ago. Kohl sucks. This trade deadline has nothing to do with that though.

Sure it does. We just wasted another year when we could have gotten a plan started. Plans take a couple years. And every year we never start one.

There weren't any longterm pieces out there though. So the only plan that could have been jumpstarted would have been a move to tank which would have required trading Larry/Ersan/BJ for trash to improve our draft pick significantly. This place would have went nuts had that happened.

[paul]

Yeah, Hammond sucks and should have been gone 2 years ago. Kohl sucks. This trade deadline has nothing to do with that though.

Sure it does. We just wasted another year when we could have gotten a plan started. Plans take a couple years. And every year we never start one.

Thats the thing that bothers me. At least if it was Josh Smith the plan is clear. Assemble some good defenders who are athletic. Get a couple shooters. Pay him his money. I might not like the plan but at least it makes sense and has a non zero chance of making us a home court team if executed well.

But instead we got the wrong half of that plan.

We got half pregnant.

[Scoops]

Yeah, Hammond sucks and should have been gone 2 years ago. Kohl sucks. This trade deadline has nothing to do with that though.

Sure it does. We just wasted another year when we could have gotten a plan started. Plans take a couple years. And every year we never start one.

Thats the thing that bothers me. At least if it was Josh Smith the plan is clear. Assemble some good defenders who are athletic. Get a couple shooters. Pay him his money. I might not like the plan but at least it makes sense and has a non zero chance of making us a home court team if executed well.

But instead we got the wrong half of that plan.

So picking a direction you disagree with would have been better than waiting until the offseason to pick a direction?

[BigDoggyStyle]

May have already been posted.

Milwaukee: C+

What are the Bucks doing? That's been the question everyone around the league has spent all week trying to figure out. Milwaukee was as active as anyone, and reportedly in discussions to trade for Josh Smith as part of a three-way trade until just before the deadline. Those talks broke down, but the Bucks still made the biggest splash of any team by acquiring Redick.

Despite Redick nominally being a rental -- he's in the last year of a contract -- it's somewhat unclear how much this trade will help Milwaukee the rest of the way. That will depend on how interim head coach Jim Boylan manages his revamped backcourt. The Bucks don't have a true backup for Brandon Jennings at the point after dealing Udrih, which presumably means Redick and Monta Ellis will share ballhandling duties as part of a three-guard rotation. If that's a win, it's not by much. The clearer upgrade comes when Redick takes Ellis' minutes, giving Milwaukee a more efficient option at shooting guard. Our Bradford Doolittle estimated that change adding about a win to the Bucks' bottom line.

The more interesting question is what Milwaukee does this summer. Assuming Ellis opts out of his contract, the Bucks have the option of using the amnesty provision to clear Drew Gooden's salary off the books and cut their cap figure to about $44 million. (Trading Ayon or turning down his player option saves nearly another million.) That means Milwaukee could offer Smith somewhere in the neighborhood of $15-17 million as a free agent, which might be the best offer he gets, while still re-signing Jennings and Redick.

The Bucks would have to skimp on filling out the roster to stay under the luxury-tax threshold, but a starting lineup of Jennings, Redick, Smith, Ersan Ilyasova and Larry Sanders is an intriguing mix. That might even be good enough to earn home-court advantage in the East. Of course, Smith might not really be interested in playing in Milwaukee, and giving up the promising Harris remains an expensive price for the right to pay Redick fair-market value this summer. So the Bucks don't grade out much better than if they had done nothing at all.

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If the Bucks were actually following this logic and plan, they just would've traded Ellis in a deal for Smith, thus almost ensuring that he'd sign here. Don't see any chance of Smith coming here now that the Bucks likely won't offer him the most money. It would be nice if they realized that Redick's value is replacing Ellis, but obviously that's not how they plan to use him.

[paulpressey25]

So picking a direction you disagree with would have been better than waiting until the offseason to pick a direction?

For me the answer would be yes. I want to just see one coherent philosophy implemented for a 2-3 year period. I don't care which one it is.

But today exposed two issues. Philosophy and Execution. We did actually try a philosophy but were too incompetent to execute it.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

But instead we got the wrong half of that plan.

We went ahead and bought the trailer before we learned our credit was revoked and we couldn't buy the boat to go on it.

no no no. redick is the boat. he fits perfectly without a trailer

[InsideOut]

So picking a direction you disagree with would have been better than waiting until the offseason to pick a direction?

For me the answer would be yes. I want to just see one coherent philosophy implemented for a 2-3 year period. I don't care which one it is.

But today exposed two issues. Philosophy and Execution. We did actually try a philosophy but were too incompetent to execute it.

Yes for me as well. The worst place to be is stuck in the middle and spinning your wheels. Been saying it for more years than I can remember and have no doubt I'll be saying it for 3 more. Keep trying to get an 8th seed and drafting isn't a plan...it's franchise suicide and based on the number of people showing up the Bucks are on life support.

[ampd]

So picking a direction you disagree with would have been better than waiting until the offseason to pick a direction?

It would be better than going into the off season and then once again not picking a direction.

[Fed]

After trying to calm down a little, I've thought about the deal more clearly. Doron Lamb is young, yes, however, he was shooting 39 percent from the field. That's Rivers-esque. Tobias was getting better and was becoming a better shooter, but not the greatest upside really, he'd be a solid starter at best. Ayon was doing well in New Orleans, Ishmael is a young athletic guard, similar to Nate Rob I suppose. Reddick is a good three point shooter but he doesn't fit in. Will he come off the bench? It doesn't really matter because the jumper is wet. How will he fit in the rotation?

[paulpressey25]

So picking a direction you disagree with would have been better than waiting until the offseason to pick a direction?

It would be better than going into the off season and then once again not picking a direction.

Yep. Come June we are going to do whatever short term moves we think might get us the 8th seed again next year while at the same time using all three of our draft picks to select Tobias Harris and Jon Leuer type prospects so we can "develop young assets". All while Monta and Redick walk while we resign Brandon for $50 million.

[AussieBuck]

Well, at least Harris may get a go.

Who the hell are Ayon and Smith?

Excellent trade. For the Magic.

A couple of solid 3rd stringers. I can now add Orlando to my teams to watch regularly list.

[Baddy Chuck]

8 hours later and I still hate this deal just as much. I liked Lamb more then others, but I was fine with dealing him, Smith really isn't much worse of a prospect (though he's like 4 years older). Giving up Tobes for Redick was just dumb. You basically have 4 situations in my opinion. Tobes becomes a "player", Tobes is nothing, Redick helps us get the 8th seed this season and walks or Redick helps us get the 8th seed for 4-5 years. Yipee.

[blazza18]

Well, at least Harris may get a go.

Who the hell are Ayon and Smith?

Excellent trade. For the Magic.

A couple of solid 3rd stringers. I can now add Orlando to my teams to watch regularly list.

My mate is a Magic fan and he's pretty ecstatic about the trade. He's got a good core of young talent to watch rebuild.