Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[panthermark]

It is not just the timing...which was indeed horrible. There was nothing to be gained from saying it now. NOTHING.

It is the vailed threat at not returning...as if D-Rose the name is now bigger than the Chicago Bulls (his employer) that is the real killer.

Rose is being paid $16.4M this year by Chicago....and if he is healthy, he should play. The idea of milking an injury just does not sit right. This team has led the NBA in wins that last two years. Maybe if the team was 23-31 instead of 31-23, and was working on it's 3rd straight trip to the lottery, the reacation would not be so bad. But the timing and the threat?


R U all in Derrick?

Do the Bulls need more talent to have a better chance at beating the Heat? Yes...Chicago, and 28 other teams in the league feel that way. It isn't that people disagree with the underlying message, they disagree with the timing and the tactic.

[patryk7754]

Derrick Rose deserves zero blame. Its moronic to think that he won't return this year. Rose loves the game not to return for any reason.

[Indomitable]

If there wasn't some sting of truth in what Reggie said, I doubt RealGM would be having this collective freak out. The Bulls have done NOTHING to improve a top 5 team in the last year. They've only let talent go and cut salary. If there was some truth in his statements, I don't think people would be as scared as they seem in this thread.

Reggie Rose is the Catalyst.

This was waiting to happen. Read the pg threads after games. People have been waiting to have this fight all year.

[burlydee]

I love Derrick Rose. Why do I hate Derrick Rose? I don't like REGGIE Rose.

I think Derrick Rose is a stupid person. I think he's a really good basketball player and a well-meaning dude. In fact I'm saying this recent stretch by Reggie doesnt have much to DO with Derrick.

But Derrick's problem is that he's being controlled and he doesn't realize it's not in his best interest to let Reggie rule his life.

I want Derrick's problem. Reggie has "controlled" him into being a millionaire about 100 times over and the NBA's youngest MVP. You have no clue of the relationship between Reggie and Derrick, certainly not enough to say whether he "rules his life." Certainly Reggie has used his relationship with Derrick to advance his own life; but I would hope that if I ever made $100 million dollars I would throw my family members a job now and again.

[CalilLove89]

I'm not worried Derrick Rose will read this. I am more worried that Derrick Rose cannot read this.

You're ****ing ***h*** and a piece of ****! I would love to see D.Rose force his way out of bulls.....just to see bulls fans like you cry, b***h and moan.

if we offer rose for westbrook straight up, does OKC say no?

If westbrook wasn't a diva they would say no, right now its close.

[WinCity]

He's basically right, however, offers no solution or hypothetical scenario. I mean, if you're going to air out management, you might as well air out the players to. WHO exactly would he have liked to see come here? WHO exactly would he have liked to see traded? Does he feel Deng could have been moved for a more productive player in 2010? Does he feel Boozer was a bad acquisition? Because as of now, there really isn't anything the Bulls could have done outside of a lateral move. OJ Mayo likely could have been had a year or two ago in a 3-way deal involving Deng and a pick. Other than gambling on a lottery pick for proven talent, I don't see what else could have been done.

BING. I have asked a couple of times for people to give examples rather than just whine

Every player wants their team to succeed, not just Rose

To be honest you could read into his comments in a few ways. Personally, I thought it was an indictment of JR's fiscal approach, not so much trading player X for Y trades or lack there of. The most impactful comment, and the crux of the argument to me is:

"Is the reason for Derrick to come back to win a championship or make money? Right now, I don't believe a championship. Everything in the NBA is financial."

You can choose to focus on the trading part but GarPax would have much more flexibility to improve the roster if JR would allow them to spend more. The bottom line is at the FO level you need 2 things to compete with the top teams. Good decision makers ( we have that in GarPax) and an owner willing to spend (we clearly don't). There are some exceptions such as San Antonio, who seem to do it with great decision making and a lot of luck, but they are also a small market with no choice. We are a big market, one of the most profitable teams out there and we act like a small market. That too me is a disgrace. If I were in Rose's camp I would also feel this organization is not doing nearly as much as they could, given their means, to put a top team around Rose. Like Reggie said for JR its all financial. The balance has to tip a little more in favor of winning.

To me focusing on the minutia of timing etc. is counter productive to the very arguments we have all had for a long time now regarding JR's approach to spending. Most of us agree the timing, phrasing etc. was not ideal. but lets not lose sight of the big picture here.

[Indomitable]

Who should the Bulls get that they didn't? Who am I forgetting?

Now I heard they could have done the Deng for Evans and Barnes trade. At least this is what Ralph and Boogie claimed.

[Sonny_D1]

If stupid means being able to sign a $260 million dollar endorsement deal with Adidas, then man, I wanna be "hella stupid".

Edit add: Well at least I got the stupid part down, now just need work on the $260 million part.

[DuckIII]

I'm not worried Derrick Rose will read this. I am more worried that Derrick Rose cannot read this.

You're ****ing ***h*** and a piece of ****! I would love to see D.Rose force his way out of bulls.....just to see bulls fans like you cry, b***h and moan.

That would be soooooo awesome. I mean, you wouldn't have Derrick Rose on the Bulls. But what is that compared to schadenfreude?

[Indomitable]

Why did the Bulls sign Kirk instead of Shved?

[blumeany]

Who should the Bulls get that they didn't? Who am I forgetting?

Here's your illustrious list post-2010 free agency:

Pau Gasol
OJ Mayo
Dwight Howard
Courtney Lee
Tyreke Evans
Barnes
Andrea Bargnani
Kris Humphries
Ben Gordon

To my knowledge, those were all the players ever rumored to be close to coming to Chicago. All would have cost us varying amounts of players and picks.

That list sucks. Sorry. None of those guys would truly put us 'over the top'. Most would keep us in, or push us further into cap hell.

About the only guy in recent history that was traded that would have done so is Harden. But I have no idea if OKC was even interested in anything the Bulls had to offer. I mean, the most attractive player outside of Rose that OKC probably wanted is Noah. They probably wouldn't take Deng or Boozer because of cost. They'd probably want the Bobcats pick and possibly Mirotic.

[DuckIII]

Jumpman it worked for Kobe and Lebron.

It worked for Kobe and no one. Everyone else ended up leaving their team. And its been happening A LOT. Which is why all of this "people are freaking out over nothing" stuff is either naive or delusional.

And spare me the "you don't know that Derrick agrees with or knows what Reggie is saying" tripe. I've never climbed Mount Everest. Because of this, I've never personally seen the curvature of the Earth. But I'm confident in saying its not flat.

Lebron is winning and got in a situation where this is possible. It worked out for him.

What the hell are you talking about? He had to leave in free agency. None of the pressure he put on Cleveland worked at all. In fact, it has widely been reported that he was behind forcing the moves that ended up crippling Cleveland into that lousy roster around him.

[Getembuck]

The way the last month of "thereturn" has been handled has left a bad taste in my mouth. These comments from Reggie Rose remind me of the way Lebron looked at his teams in Cleveland. The rest of the roster is a lot better than those Cleveland teams. Up until this last month there was never a reason for anything negative to be said about rose outside of his SAT scandal. He was the golden child of Chicago. I wish Reggie would have acknowledge his little brothers unwillingness to call anyone to recruit them to play in Chicago during the summer of 2010.

The only positive to take away from this situation is that maybe this lights some fire under the FO to get something done.

[6_Rings]

the possibility of Rose joining a buy-a-ring outfit is at an all-time high

[Betta Bulleavit]

This is what it all boils down to. You can agree with Reggie Rose if you want to. In fact, I'm not saying that I completely disagree. With that said, I have always been a firm believer that if you are going to open your mouth to criticize someone's decisions, you should be able to articulate your thoughts on what YOU felt should have been done and HOW it could be done. Reggie's failure to do this is what disallows me to take his comments seriously.

You don't like Boozer? Okay. Who do YOU think is going to put us in a better position to when and HOW can we acquire said player? Same with Deng and everyone else for that matter. This isn't the NBA 2k series where you can concoct silly ass trades and magically force them to go through. Another team has to agree. Contracts have to work. Players have to fit. These are all things that lots of people think they understand but hardly ever do.

If I were in front of Reggie Rose right now, I would have one question for him. Just how good do you think your brother is as a player? 9/10, he'd probably respond by saying "my brother is one of the best players on the planet". I would then respond by telling him that this team (that your dumb ass just through under the bus) is a possible top 4 seed without Rose. So what do you think they'd be with one of the best players on the planet?? Yep....a contender you idiot!! And that's pretty much how that dialog would go.

See, that's what so many people tend to ignore...or maybe they just don't understand. The Bulls owe the fans a contender. They owe Rose a contender. They don't owe his family a damn thing. But they cannot promise championships. 30 teams enter each season with that goal in mind and 29 walk away having not achieved that goal. Therefore, as a player or as a fan, all you can really ask an organization to do is be in position to do some big things.

This is not a Lebron in Cleveland type situation where the entire team is based on Rose. This team has two All-Stars besides Rose and two former All-Stars. This team has players that have come from winning backgrounds. They have great coaching. That's why (even without Rose), they are still a very competitive team. It's just that Rose makes them elite. Which is exactly how it should be.

As far as Derrick goes, I wish I could have a sit down with him so that I could look him dead in the eye and plead with him to understand that family will take you off the map quicker than any enemy that you could have. Mainly because they know exactly how to get into your head and manipulate you. What his family was 5 years ago is MUCH different than what they are now. When hundreds of millions of dollars are involved, Derrick has to understand that he is a cash cow for them now. Their livelihoods. They cannot survive without him. That in itself should have him questioning the motives of everyone around him....family included. If he keeps letting Reggie speak for him, his brother is going to ruin him. It;s Derrick's talent, Derrick's career, and Derrick's life. He needs to take some damn control instead of allowing everyone else to control him.

[jumpmanjay]

Who should the Bulls get that they didn't? Who am I forgetting?

Here's your illustrious list post-2010 free agency:

Pau Gasol
OJ Mayo
Dwight Howard
Courtney Lee
Tyreke Evans
Barnes
Andrea Bargnani
Kris Humphries
Ben Gordon

To my knowledge, those were all the players ever rumored to be close to coming to Chicago. All would have cost us varying amounts of players and picks.

That list sucks. Sorry. None of those guys would truly put us 'over the top'. Most would keep us in, or push us further into cap hell.

About the only guy in recent history that was traded that would have done so is Harden. But I have no idea if OKC was even interested in anything the Bulls had to offer. I mean, the most attractive player outside of Rose that OKC probably wanted is Noah. They probably wouldn't take Deng or Boozer because of cost. They'd probably want the Bobcats pick and possibly Mirotic.

i agree that list sucks and does not put us as favorites.

even if we traded noah for harden, we would not win that trade. imho, that trade would make okc the clear favorites in the league, and we would be left with no center.

[The Force.]

He's basically right, however, offers no solution or hypothetical scenario. I mean, if you're going to air out management, you might as well air out the players to. WHO exactly would he have liked to see come here? WHO exactly would he have liked to see traded? Does he feel Deng could have been moved for a more productive player in 2010? Does he feel Boozer was a bad acquisition? Because as of now, there really isn't anything the Bulls could have done outside of a lateral move. OJ Mayo likely could have been had a year or two ago in a 3-way deal involving Deng and a pick. Other than gambling on a lottery pick for proven talent, I don't see what else could have been done.

BING. I have asked a couple of times for people to give examples rather than just whine

Every player wants their team to succeed, not just Rose

To be honest you could read into his comments in a few ways. Personally, I thought it was an indictment of JR's fiscal approach, not so much trading player X for Y trades or lack there of. The most impactful comment, and the crux of the argument to me is:

"Is the reason for Derrick to come back to win a championship or make money? Right now, I don't believe a championship. Everything in the NBA is financial."

You can choose to focus on the trading part but GarPax would have much more flexibility to improve the roster if JR would allow them to spend more. The bottom line is at the FO level you need 2 things to compete with the top teams. Good decision makers ( we have that in GarPax) and an owner willing to spend (we clearly don't). There are some exceptions such as San Antonio, who seem to do it with great decision making and a lot of luck, but they are also a small market with no choice. We are a big market, one of the most profitable teams out there and we act like a small market. That too me is a disgrace. If I were in Rose's camp I would also feel this organization is not doing nearly as much as they could, given their means, to put a top team around Rose. Like Reggie said for JR its all financial. The balance has to tip a little more in favor of winning.

To me focusing on the minutia of timing etc. is counter productive to the very arguments we have all had for a long time now regarding JR's approach to spending. Most of us agree the timing, phrasing etc. was not ideal. but lets not lose sight of the big picture here.

I get that but even with an owner who is willing to spend like Prokhorov, he still hasn't assembled a team that can compete with Miami or OKC. Hell, I'd even go as far as to say the Nets at full strength are worse than Chicago at full strength. So just because your owner is willing to spend doesn't really mean much if the actual players aren't available. Assembling teams like Miami and OKC is not easy and usually takes a fair amount of luck and timing. Frankly, both teams are anomalies in their own right and its HIGHLY unlikely any other team will surpass them in the next couple years.

[CalilLove89]

The only way Derrick can come back to the city if he demands a trade, is by turning the city against the owners.

This is step 1.

[DanTown8587]

My favorite thing about this now is how it plays out. If Rose comes back and the Bulls lose, it's a SEE, NOT ENOUGH argument. If Rose comes back and wins, the discussion is OMG, THEY WERE OK WITH ROSE BUT THEY WON A TITLE WITH HIM, ALL TIME GREAT. If they lose and don't add anyone, they can say "SEE, WE TOLD YOU" and if they go out and add someone, it's "THANKS FOR LISTENING"

No matter what happens, you can't blame Derrick and you can credit him.

[Keller61]

I think Reggie fails to appreciate how good a job the FO did in putting this team together. It's not like we're the Cavaliers. Two years ago, we got to the ECF and lost a tough series in which Rose blamed himself for the loss and not a lack of quality teammates. Then last year, we looked poised to make a championship run until getting hit with injuries. I think it's far too early in Rose's career for him to be complaining about not having enough to win when this team has really only had one playoff run so far. Besides, I think this year's Lakers have shown that you can't just acquire a superstar and expect to be an automatic contender.