Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[bullsnewdynasty]

You mean the year the Bulls led the league in wins?
That same year said team was just put together?

That is hindsight GM'ing at its finest.

The Bulls FO kept the top nine players from that 2010/11 team(Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Watson, Brewer, Korver, and Asik)...and added Rip Hamilton for 2011/12. With Rose being injured part of the season, the Bulls led the east in wins again (and tied in most wins overall).

You are basically asking (in hindsight) why the Bulls didn't break up one of the best (and youngest) teams in the league that was just put together.

No, in fact it's not hindsight when you call for the moves at the time. People who thought Bogans was going to get it done at 2 guard were living in fantasyland.

[nitetrain8603]

DuckIII, stop stating its obvious that the comments made by Reggie came from Derrick. Its not obvious at all, and you can't state it as fact no matter what arbitrary analogy you use. As I mentioned before, its very possible that Reggie has grown tired of Derrick doing the vast majority of work on this team, as an overprotective older brother and manager of his career, he spoke out against it. Neither you nor I know the true motives behind Reggie's comments. A number of explanations are possible.

Duck thinks Lebron lost. He got his ring. It did not happen in Cleveland but so what.

Howard probably will recover and get back to being a great player.

I think Duck moreso means, those franchises lost because all but Kobe's franchise(which has been known to be a world-class organization) didn't take their superstar serious enough until it was too late. In the event of Cleveland, they were right in listening to LeBron about needing more help, but wrong in letting him execute the plan.

[GetBuLLish]

People are mad at Derrick b/c Reggie said something 90% of Bulls fans agree with. Oh no the timing, the timing! People are freaking out over nothing.

Exactly.

"Derrick Rose is an idiot who couldn't pass his SATs. He has nuked his image. He's not who we thought he was. He's destroyed this team. He lets his brother control him because he's an idiot.

And I say all of this because of....THE TIMING! THE TIMING!"

Get the f*ck out of here with that. No matter when he or Reggie said this, people would b*tch about it and then try to cop out by saying it's because of THE TIMING.

Yea, some bottled up feelings about D-Rose are coming out in this thread.

The dumb ghetto basketball player & his dumb ghetto brother have absolutely no right to question the direction of this team. How dare they question authority?

This is exactly how I'm reading it. And it's pathetic.

One other problem I had with R.Rose's statement is this:

"If Derrick comes back, they're going to sell more tickets. Is the reason for Derrick to come back to win a championship or make money? Right now, I don't believe a championship. Everything in the NBA is financial."

Given that Reggie is Derrick's "manager," this shows a basic lack of understanding that's a little scary. Whether Derrick returns this season or not will have no appreciable effect on UC tickets sold.

Have you been to a game this year? Yea, it's not actually sold out. All tickets might technically be sold, but every seat is not full.

And when Rose comes back, not only will there be an ass in every seat, but the price of every ticket will go up.

So it's actually your basic lack of understanding that's a little scary.

And by the way, we haven't even begun to talk about TV ratings, which have absolutely plummeted this year.

[DuckIII]

Let's trade Derrick Rose. This guy made my son ask why doesn't he love his teammates anymore. This is just unacceptable from him to question the FO. Absolutely disgracefull. And asking his brother to do the talking for him. Talk about not fighting your own battles. Let's trade him and build around our two all stars Noah and Deng. These guys are Bulls for life, and are good characters as well unlike stupid failed SAT's Rose. Deng, Noah, and Taj will lead us to a championship. You wait and see Derrick, you wait and see.

/ green font

More seriously though, I think this is one of the best threads in a while. Nice viewpoints from both sides.

I should have known better than to tell a true story about my son.

[BullsGate]

Derrick Rose is the only reason why the Bulls are even a relevant NBA team. It's funny how people are turning on him after some comments that he didn't even make.

And by the way, you all criticizing him should just jump off the bandwagon right now. Just don't bother coming back when he's dominating the league again.
yeah thats way are we so bad this without him

We're a first round exit team without D.Rose, dude. Regular season don't mean nothing.

[johnnyvann840]

Derrick Rose is the only reason why the Bulls are even a relevant NBA team. It's funny how people are turning on him after some comments that he didn't even make.

And by the way, you all criticizing him should just jump off the bandwagon right now. Just don't bother coming back when he's dominating the league again.

The Bulls will always be relevant because of #23 and its 6 titles...Even when the baby Bulls were here we had the UC sold out everynight...

This was Reggies opinion, we all have to agree based on conversations he had with Derrick...Reggie Rose is a nobody and really dumb so I think we should worry because he have influence on Derricks opinion...The way Rose is treating his comeback is wrong IMO...Thats why Im little dissapointed with him...I think he should be on the bench just like any other injuried player...I think he should talk to the media more often...Just be real...If he lacks confidence just go ahead and say it...Theres nothing wrong with that...But theres too much drama on this front and Im really getting tired of that...We all know he is clinicaly healed...

And then his brother says if this team is not competitive he wont comeback this season..WTF!!! He is getting paid max sallary...He should play regardless whos on the team...I dont care if it is Derrick with 11 NBDLs players...Thats his job and he should just go out there and play...Im really affraid Derricks circle turned him to a diva just like Lebron...

First of all, I love Derrick Rose. He's my favorite player in the league. I'm certainly not turning on him and I thin he will be back stronger than ever.

But Reggie's comments about selling tickets were stupid and completely moronic. The franchise has been selling out games and led the NBA in attendance for the prior two decades, before Rose was even drafted. They've sold all the tickets already. There is a waiting list for season tix. So, it really has nothing to do with selling tickets. The Bulls also have a huge global following and are one of the best selling road teams and have been for years, as well. Even when the team was bad, they were selling out arenas in cities that didn't normally sell out, especially in places with a large Chicago contingent, like Phoenix.

[jumpmanjay]

Big I totally agree. As an African-American who grew up modestly I think that many of the posters are out of line. I hate to make this a racial but just looking at this thread you can almost tell who’s who and who they really are. People don’t realize that Reggie is like Derrick’s father he Alan and Dwayne have helped to mold Derrick and helped him to survive and make it out of Englewood to become the man he is today. Derrick will never turn on Reggie, from Beasley to Simeon to Memphis, Reggie has always been there to guide Derrick, and would not do anything to intentionally harm him. What Reggie said is 100% true but because he is some “hood from the street who can’t read” he’s totally out of line.

how is this in any form race-related?

Hell I'm a middle class black guy from the south side and thought it was over the line.

brooklyn bulls' comments were EXTREMELY out of line, but i did not read any of it to be race related.

[GetBuLLish]

Not saying Rose isn't a max player, but as far as a salary cap goes...if you want the $10M back to keep Korver and Brewer, look in Rose's checking account.

Hahaha. Wow. As if this thread couldn't get any worse. So now when the Bulls decide to dump players to save money, it's Rose's fault?!

This has gone from shocking to hilarious.

[bullsnewdynasty]

yeah thats way are we so bad this without him

Without Rose, the Bulls are in NBA hell and a perennial 1st/2nd round exit.

WTF? Hell even without Derrick we have a legit shot at the ECF. Other than Miami, there is absolutely no team in the east unbeatable without Rose, Indiana at the most.

FFS, we are 2 games from leading our division

The Bulls don't have a playoff gear like most other teams. They are already playing Deng and Noah 40 minutes a game, going balls to the wall to win every regular season game.

Even if the Bulls did make the ECF it's a testament to how weak the East is, and I would foresee that series ending in a sweep.

[DuckIII]

DuckIII, stop stating its obvious that the comments made by Reggie came from Derrick. Its not obvious at all, and you can't state it as fact no matter what arbitrary analogy you use. As I mentioned before, its very possible that Reggie has grown tired of Derrick doing the vast majority of work on this team, as an overprotective older brother and manager of his career, he spoke out against it. Neither you nor I know the true motives behind Reggie's comments. A number of explanations are possible.

No one can look at the chronology and think otherwise rationally.

On an unrelated note it took a full 87 pages for those criticizing Rose to be accused of racism which is way way past the over.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Hell I'm a middle class black guy from the south side and thought it was over the line.

brooklyn bulls' comments were EXTREMELY out of line, but i did not read any of it to be race related.

No I meant I felt Reggie's comments were out of line. But I can't believe the race card is being used to defend Reggie doing something stupid. Even Barkely said shut the hell up.

[panthermark]

You mean the year the Bulls led the league in wins?
That same year said team was just put together?

That is hindsight GM'ing at its finest.

The Bulls FO kept the top nine players from that 2010/11 team(Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Watson, Brewer, Korver, and Asik)...and added Rip Hamilton for 2011/12. With Rose being injured part of the season, the Bulls led the east in wins again (and tied in most wins overall).

You are basically asking (in hindsight) why the Bulls didn't break up one of the best (and youngest) teams in the league that was just put together.

No, in fact it's not hindsight when you call for the moves at the time. People who thought Bogans was going to get it done at 2 guard were living in fantasyland.

Few hated Bogans more than me, and I thought it was a mistake to not go after Mattews that summer (of 2010)...but no FO is perfect, and one year later they signed Rip.

[LobosJordan]

The race card was kind of strange. I didn't sense any of that from people who were criticizing Rose yesterday and today. This board has a lot of divisions, and factions. But a racial divide, and tension is not one of them at least from what I have seen.

[jumpmanjay]

DuckIII, stop stating its obvious that the comments made by Reggie came from Derrick. Its not obvious at all, and you can't state it as fact no matter what arbitrary analogy you use. As I mentioned before, its very possible that Reggie has grown tired of Derrick doing the vast majority of work on this team, as an overprotective older brother and manager of his career, he spoke out against it. Neither you nor I know the true motives behind Reggie's comments. A number of explanations are possible.

when i first read the article about reggie, i thought "wow, reggie, way to throw derrick's teammates under the bus and make it super awkward for him...now he will have to address the team in private"

then, i read derricks statement and thought "wow, it was you throwing them under the bus...AWKWARDDDD"

[Indomitable]

DuckIII, stop stating its obvious that the comments made by Reggie came from Derrick. Its not obvious at all, and you can't state it as fact no matter what arbitrary analogy you use. As I mentioned before, its very possible that Reggie has grown tired of Derrick doing the vast majority of work on this team, as an overprotective older brother and manager of his career, he spoke out against it. Neither you nor I know the true motives behind Reggie's comments. A number of explanations are possible.

Duck thinks Lebron lost. He got his ring. It did not happen in Cleveland but so what.

Howard probably will recover and get back to being a great player.

I think Duck moreso means, those franchises lost because all but Kobe's franchise(which has been known to be a world-class organization) didn't take their superstar serious enough until it was too late. In the event of Cleveland, they were right in listening to LeBron about needing more help, but wrong in letting him execute the plan.

I got that but the franchised failed not the players.

[Benedict Miller]

Reggie needs to shut up...why? Because he spoke the truth?

[bearadonisdna]

Going back to the 2010 playoff starting lineup make me feel sick.
But it not worse than what we started with in 2010
Rose, bogans , Deng, Taj, Noah.

[Saphir]

I'm personally hoping its Rose/Butler/Deng/Gibson/Noah as opposed to Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Gibson/Noah.

[[d][R][o][s][e]]

Reggie needs to shut up...why? Because he spoke the truth?

truth hurts

[League Circles]

Anyone have an explanation for why Derrick would issue his statement if he was behind Reggie's statements? Why wouldn't he just tell Gar and Pax that, hey guys, try to prove my brother wrong. I'm not commenting on this to the media.

Can anyone explain that?