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Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani 

Post#21 » by MagnusPinus » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:09 pm

3thomas wrote:Klieza yesterday denied reports he intends to go to Europe and play there, so he is picking his option. Klieza will be an expiring next season and will be easy to move.

If there is no team that wants Andrea, maybe he should explore playing in Europe? If he wants to stay in the NBA, BC should speak with Bargnani and his agent about the possibility of not picking up his ETO of 2014. Becoming an expiring next year, which would make him much more easy to move especially packaged with Klieza or a young asset like Ross for an established player.
If that fails then yes the amnesty is the last option. BC will never pull the trigger on it, but a new GM (empowered by new ownership) will not hesitate twice.

Enough wuth the dancing BC, stop the propaganda he has no value and everyone knows.



Come on now.. he is an excellent Nba player when committed.. It's not the point.. and even his contract his relatively short.. cos next year is his last.. The problem is Colangelo asking too much for a guy who doesn't care anymore, and just is waiting to change his address.

In this league we've seen stars been traded for a bag of chips.. and Colangelo is asking for the moon in exchange for a guy that has basically finished playing for Toronto..
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Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani 

Post#22 » by Zeno » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:09 pm

I'm not that much on the make the playoff bandwagon (given the status of the pick and the supposed quality of the next two drafts) but a few quality games from him in the playoffs, even if the team gets swept, could do wonders for his trade value in the offseason. I'm not saying it will restore his value completely but it would go a long way. One game in playoffs equals 10 in the regular season it seems value-wise. However the way he is being used right now there is zero chance of that happening.
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Post#23 » by Neutral 123 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:11 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote:He might be able to do these things in the Italian league, but certainly not in the NBA.



bull.. U guys have short memory.
This year he has been a disgrace but u can't forget all those games when Bargnani carried the team.. And now it's easy to go against him.. but u have to realize the last years the teams he had to play in.. We were such a disgrace talent wise... He had to play with Nbdl teammates for years..

Now after an injury he comes back and suddenly he is the cause of everything that happened to the raptors these years... Go check the rosters we had please.. go check.. I can't wait till he gets traded and does very well on a good team.. He is just over here.. too many bad years, too many things have changed. It's time to start fresh for the team, and for him. But not giving him respect for sticking to team, and playing in such a bad organization is absolutely shameful

What? he's never carried the team and has always been garbage. What a joke. The guy's an embarrassment to Italy and the game of basketball. If he was a black playing football in Italy, he would have had a plantation full of bananas thrown at him years ago!
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Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani 

Post#24 » by thunderforce » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:13 pm

All this is crap , Bargs can do more than one thing and he was when he was playing good , he was shooting and attacking the basket drawing fouls and hitting free throws . there were a few games that he seemed unstoppable and that player is still in there we just need to find a way to bring him out . That same guy was playing decent defense against the monsters of the league and that also helped us a lot . Remember the game against the kings when Bargs was hurt and Cousins just single handedily destroyed our team that is where Bargs can help a lot .
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Neutral 123 wrote:What? he's never carried the team and has always been garbage. What a joke. The guy's an embarrassment to Italy and the game of basketball. If he was a black playing football in Italy, he would have had a plantation full of bananas thrown at him years ago!


He has been a consistent scorer for the team thru the years, playing alongside terrible teammates.. some Nbdl players.. some talented but very raw youngsters like Demar..
This year he just bailed out.. He had too much of it.. It's not easy to lose lose and lose, cos your Gm doesn't put a decent team on and you r getting all the blame... Then a good player arrives and he is basically out.. hated by fans, hated by the teammates.

He doesn't care anymore at all, and the team is not interested in involving him in the game.. U can criticize for him not putting any effort now.. But it's stupid just saying he is ****, and he can't play, cos it's unfair and not true
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Post#26 » by Neutral 123 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:18 pm

thunderforce wrote:All this is crap , Bargs can do more than one thing and he was when he was playing good , he was shooting and attacking the basket drawing fouls and hitting free throws . there were a few games that he seemed unstoppable and that player is still in there we just need to find a way to bring him out . That same guy was playing decent defense against the monsters of the league and that also helped us a lot . Remember the game against the kings when Bargs was hurt and Cousins just single handedily destroyed our team that is where Bargs can help a lot .

This happened only in your imagination!
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Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani 

Post#27 » by Neutral 123 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:20 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote:What? he's never carried the team and has always been garbage. What a joke. The guy's an embarrassment to Italy and the game of basketball. If he was a black playing football in Italy, he would have had a plantation full of bananas thrown at him years ago!


He has been a consistent scorer for the team thru the years, playing alongside terrible teammates.. some Nbdl players.. some talented but very raw youngsters like Demar..
This year he just bailed out.. He had too much of it.. It's not easy to lose lose and lose, cos your Gm doesn't put a decent team on and you r getting all the blame... Then a good player arrives and he is basically out.. hated by fans, hated by the teammates.

He doesn't care anymore at all, and the team is not interested in involving him in the game.. U can criticize for him not putting any effort now.. But it's stupid just saying he is ****, and he can't play, cos it's unfair and not true

Huh? He played beside a likely future hall of fame player in Bosh. He's just garbage. He's is, was, and always will be. Him having a lucky game or two here or there doesn't make him good. Him deciding to play with an acceptable level of effort once in a blue moon doesn't make him good. The guy is garbage, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. In Bargs case he's right about twice a year.
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Post#28 » by dballislife » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:24 pm

the coaching staff has really gotta do a better job with bargs, 2 seasons ago he was our 1st option at 21ppg on 45%FG...thats solid, even before that he was a 15 and 17 on 46% and 47% player...for all his flaws, he has offensive skills that can be easily incorporated into any offense...too bad our coaching staff is offensively challenged with probably the worst playbook in all of nba
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Post#29 » by 3thomas » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:26 pm

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3thomas wrote:Klieza yesterday denied reports he intends to go to Europe and play there, so he is picking his option. Klieza will be an expiring next season and will be easy to move.

If there is no team that wants Andrea, maybe he should explore playing in Europe? If he wants to stay in the NBA, BC should speak with Bargnani and his agent about the possibility of not picking up his ETO of 2014. Becoming an expiring next year, which would make him much more easy to move especially packaged with Klieza or a young asset like Ross for an established player.
If that fails then yes the amnesty is the last option. BC will never pull the trigger on it, but a new GM (empowered by new ownership) will not hesitate twice.

Enough wuth the dancing BC, stop the propaganda he has no value and everyone knows.



Come on now.. he is an excellent Nba player when committed.. It's not the point.. and even his contract his relatively short.. cos next year is his last.. The problem is Colangelo asking too much for a guy who doesn't care anymore, and just is waiting to change his address.

In this league we've seen stars been traded for a bag of chips.. and Colangelo is asking for the moon in exchange for a guy that has basically finished playing for Toronto..


Personally I do not think Colangelo was even offered a bag of chips for Bargnani, The only deals rumored were Boozer and Stoudemire. Both entail bringing back a much older (Boozer) more expensive injury prone player, putting the team in luxury tax teritory with no play off guarantee.

If BC was offered anything half decent he would have pulled the trigger and circumvented this ugly outcome we are discussing today. Reality is his time here is up, and there are a few options on the table, Bargnani has to cooperate in order for both parties have a positive outcome.
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Post#30 » by MagnusPinus » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:27 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:Huh? He played beside a likely future hall of fame player in Bosh. He's just garbage. He's is, was, and always will be. Him having a lucky game or two here or there doesn't make him good. Him deciding to play with an acceptable level of effort once in a blue moon doesn't make him good. The guy is garbage, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. In Bargs case he's right about twice a year.


First.. when he was with Bosh he was very limited.. was forced to defend against centers, and had to take the crumbles offensively, simply because they were the same player.. same position, same spaces occupied on the floor..

Then he had 2 years averagin 20 points a game, with a terrible terrible team. In this last year and a half he has been affected by injuries, and in general he has lost will to play here..

I think his interview when he said "this is the worst team..." was his ruin.. now He is done.. fans hate him.. Teammates hate him.. and they r not willing to involve him in the game. Even the GM is not talking positive about him. He is in a hostile environment, and yes, it's fault is that he is just letting down. He is not reacting. He is waiting for this to finish. That' a negative. But ignoring the player he was, and might well be again, it's utterly stupid
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Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani 

Post#31 » by thunderforce » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:27 pm

Maybe playing with Telfair will be good for Bargs because Lucas won't get the ball to Rudy never mind Bargs . I hope they give Bargs the ball more and tell him to attack because he can play at a high level .
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Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani 

Post#32 » by MagnusPinus » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:28 pm

3thomas wrote:
Personally I do not think Colangelo was even offered a bag of chips for Bargnani, The only deals rumored were Boozer and Stoudemire. Both entail bringing back a much older (Boozer) more expensive injury prone player, putting the team in luxury tax teritory with no play off guarantee.

If BC was offered anything half decent he would have pulled the trigger and circumvented this ugly outcome we are discussing today. Reality is his time here is up, and there are a few options on the table, Bargnani has to cooperate in order for both parties have a positive outcome.



I think he could have had some expiring contracts for him.. But Colangelo wants to improve the team by trading Bargnani.. Well, good luck then :lol:
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Post#33 » by basketball royalty » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:29 pm

dballislife wrote:the coaching staff has really gotta do a better job with bargs, 2 seasons ago he was our 1st option at 21ppg on 45%FG...thats solid, even before that he was a 15 and 17 on 46% and 47% player...for all his flaws, he has offensive skills that can be easily incorporated into any offense...too bad our coaching staff is offensively challenged with probably the worst playbook in all of nba



True story. DC is ridiculous in allowing Lucas and AA shoot like their last names were Bryant and freeze out Bargnani completely. If you asked me I'd say those two made a pact with one another to only pass to each other when on the court together.

If BC doesn't want that 10 MIL a year to go to waste he needs to get these guys off the team and save Casey from his stupid self. Telfair was brought in for a reason, lets hope Casey gets the message.
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Post#34 » by MagnusPinus » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:33 pm

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True story. DC is ridiculous in allowing Lucas and AA shoot like their last names were Bryant and freeze out Bargnani completely. If you asked me I'd say those two made a pact with one another to only pass to each other when on the court together.

If BC doesn't want that 10 MIL a year to go to waste he needs to get these guys off the team and save Casey from his stupid self. Telfair was brought in for a reason, lets hope Casey gets the message.



Those guys are fighting for their Nba life.. they r not even true Nba players.. they try to show something to everybody, but they r harming the team more than everything.

But I don't think we can blame only Casey. i think the teammates just don't see Bargnani as part of the group.. They should first accept him and try to involve him. Now it looks like the cold war.. and with the personality he has (not great) Bargnani is just being a lazy careless guy right now
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Post#35 » by Neutral 123 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:34 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote:Huh? He played beside a likely future hall of fame player in Bosh. He's just garbage. He's is, was, and always will be. Him having a lucky game or two here or there doesn't make him good. Him deciding to play with an acceptable level of effort once in a blue moon doesn't make him good. The guy is garbage, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. In Bargs case he's right about twice a year.


First.. when he was with Bosh he was very limited.. was forced to defend against centers, and had to take the crumbles offensively, simply because they were the same player.. same position, same spaces occupied on the floor..

Then he had 2 years averagin 20 points a game, with a terrible terrible team. In this last year and a half he has been affected by injuries, and in general he has lost will to play here..

I think his interview when he said "this is the worst team..." was his ruin.. now He is done.. fans hate him.. Teammates hate him.. and they r not willing to involve him in the game. Even the GM is not talking positive about him. He is in a hostile environment, and yes, it's fault is that he is just letting down. He is not reacting. He is waiting for this to finish. That' a negative. But ignoring the player he was, and might well be again, it's utterly stupid

LOL, that scrub averaged 20 a game like Mike James averaged 20 a game. He's only a 20 a point guy when he's the only scorer on the team. He doesn't make anyone else better, is a huge liability defensively. The worst part is, his lack of defense and rebounding are the only two consistent aspects of his game. Maybe he'd do better in Italy? He's not a star in the NBA. At his best he was arguably 6th man material. Now? He's a 10th-12th man. Il Vago needs to go.
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Post#36 » by BryceMaxJames » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:35 pm

MagnusPinus wrote:I think ppl are losing a bit of perspective on Bargnani.. He is not just a specialist(a shooter). He showed in the years he can be a scorer as well.. He can dribble against slower guys, he can post up smaller guys. He is very talented.. making him a shooter it's not fair.. But of course.. now he looks totally out of place and disengaged. He probably doesn't care anymore.


so the sports analyst is wrong, and u get it? Okay buddy..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

He is what he is, how much longer are we to wait for him to turn into the player BC wanted him to be? Its been 7 years and he still doesn't have a clue. If this were your job and you couldn't grasp the task or duties correctly do you think they would keep your around?
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Post#37 » by Lord Eder » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:36 pm

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The problem with Andrea is you get an Indiana-type game every now and again, followed by exactly what he's doing right now. It's not like we decided to pull him back since that game. The coach now plays him more when he hustles and makes shots and pulls him when he doesn't. You can point out lack of role and all that other stuff, but the issues he's having are on him. Not everyone else.

Sure his lack of production is at an all-time low, his confidence is low and we all know he's better than this. But it's the flaws in him as a basketball player that bring this out all the time. He's never really been able to even do what he did in Indiana for long stretches. If he goes out and hustles a bit and looks engaged, i'm sure Casey will leave him out there more and he'll get more shots.

At this point, you need to earn them.




You've got a point. Andrea's consistency has always been an issue with him but as a bench player I wouldn't expect a perfect game from him every night. If he could bring the Indiana game every night then I'd argue that he could be a starter for some teams in the league. He is capable of them though, and far more often then we've seen this season especially in this stretch. Bottom line, he's not being utilized properly on the 2nd unit. We all know he's fairly useless if he's not getting his shots on offense, that's just his game. Run the offense through him with the 2nd unit and let him play his game. When his shots falling you get good energized Andrea, with him playing like that scoring the ball, off the bench, we'll probably win the game. If not then it'll be a bit of a scrap but I think the starting unit is balanced enough with scorers, defenders and rebounders to be able to pull out a win as well. But playing him like this, will force it to be a scrap every time.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him, you're 100% right that he should earn his shots and should play at that level regardless, but the reality is that that just isn't who he is. 7 years in we should know this buy now. That's what makes him a bench player. But he can be a good one if we utilize him properly. Instead we're driving his value into the ground this way. There's a lot of different people to blame for this whole thing and it's ugly and will probably end ugly unfortunately for us... The frustrating part is that it just seems like such a simple solution.
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Post#38 » by BLKMASS » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:39 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:Huh? He played beside a likely future hall of fame player in Bosh.



hahahaha :lol:

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Post#39 » by BryceMaxJames » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:39 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote:He might be able to do these things in the Italian league, but certainly not in the NBA.



bull.. U guys have short memory.
This year he has been a disgrace but u can't forget all those games when Bargnani carried the team.. And now it's easy to go against him.. but u have to realize the last years the teams he had to play in.. We were such a disgrace talent wise... He had to play with Nbdl teammates for years..

Now after an injury he comes back and suddenly he is the cause of everything that happened to the raptors these years... Go check the rosters we had please.. go check.. I can't wait till he gets traded and does very well on a good team.. He is just over here.. too many bad years, too many things have changed. It's time to start fresh for the team, and for him. But not giving him respect for sticking to team, and playing in such a bad organization is absolutely shameful


Rudy Gay has done for for this team than Bargnani has done in 7 years.
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Post#40 » by T-D0G » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:40 pm

Package him with a couple 1st rounders and all of a sudden he looks like a pretty good piece.
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