Official Tobias Harris watch thread (The End)

[dedned]

We are totally going to overpay jj

[europa]

We are totally going to overpay jj

Yup. He's either a rental or he'll be overpaid to lure him back. Either way the Bucks are screwed. This was an indefensible move and I like JJ Redick too. But the cost to get him was far too high which is why no other team in the league was willing to pay it.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If Henson is any good at all the Bucks could've been set for the next 5+ years in the frontcourt with Harris, Henson and Sanders. You already have a high-impact defender in Sanders. Harris was an efficient 15 point per game (and maybe better) scorer. If Henson becomes a player you are set for years.

so the 3 guys hammond drafted in the middle of the draft in back to back to back years would have set us for 5+ years. hammond trades one instead of giving up another mid 1st and now hes a flaming useless f'ing idiot. how about putting down the coffee for the night.

he very well may have made an asinine trade but it doesnt change all the good this team has going for it. hes been forced to build a future for this team, while trying to win now... all without even a borderline star in the lineup. hes done a decent job considering how many teams in similar situations suck balls despite top 10 draft picks year after year.

[Wooderson]

It would be truly amazing if Hammond somehow turned Bogut + the 10th spot in the 2011 draft into 1.3 seasons of Monta Ellis/Udoh/ one-third of a season of Redick. Looks like that will happen. And securing an extension in the process. Snagging the 9th seed for the 3rd year in a row would be the cherry. Astonishing stuff really.

[blazza18]

I hate this f'n team.

You successfully condensed my 3 posts into one sentence.

Good effort, good job.

All Harris has done in his career so far is be a productive offensive player whenever he's gotten a legitimate opportunity to play. Check out the #s when he gets 20+ minutes per game. Yet on this stupid f'n, a team near the bottom of the league in FG% mind you, they couldn't get him on the court and dumped his ass for a f'n rental. Harris producing for the Magic was the easiest thing in the world to see coming because he has always produced when given a legit opportunity. There wasn't a team in the league that was going to give the Magic a first or good young player for Redick except one.

The same f'n one that happily took Monta Ellis away from the Warriors so they could show massive improvement seemingly overnight.

The funny thing is Harris is actually one of the few players on this team who probably wanted to be in Milwaukee. So of course they ship his ass out of town even though he's young and arguably had the highest ceiling of any player on this team not named LARRY SANDERS! All so they can ensure a massive ass-whooping by the Heat in the playoffs.

I hate this f'n team.

Truer words have no been spoken.

[europa]

If Henson is any good at all the Bucks could've been set for the next 5+ years in the frontcourt with Harris, Henson and Sanders. You already have a high-impact defender in Sanders. Harris was an efficient 15 point per game (and maybe better) scorer. If Henson becomes a player you are set for years.

so the 3 guys hammond drafted in the middle of the draft in back to back to back years would have set us for 5+ years. hammond trades one instead of giving up another mid 1st and now hes a flaming useless f'ing idiot. how about putting down the coffee for the night.

Don't drink coffee sorry. And I've explained why this was a horrific trade. It isn't going to move the needle. The Bucks were a strong bet to get the 8th seed before the trade. Have they suddenly become a championship contender now with Redick? Of course not, so there's no justification for it especially since neither Jennings nor Ellis (both of whom need to go) were dealt to make room for Redick.

Again, I like Redick but there's a reason why every team in the league that wanted him refused to pay the price the Magic were asking for. But not the Bucks. Not the team that's hellbent on an 8th seed. They were the suckers the Magic found. Just like they've been suckers time after time after time after time since Kohl ran Nellie out of town.

[Wooderson]

If Henson is any good at all the Bucks could've been set for the next 5+ years in the frontcourt with Harris, Henson and Sanders. You already have a high-impact defender in Sanders. Harris was an efficient 15 point per game (and maybe better) scorer. If Henson becomes a player you are set for years.

so the 3 guys hammond drafted in the middle of the draft in back to back to back years would have set us for 5+ years. hammond trades one instead of giving up another mid 1st and now hes a flaming useless f'ing idiot. how about putting down the coffee for the night.

he very well may have made an asinine trade but it doesnt change all the good this team has going for it. hes been forced to build a future for this team, while trying to win now... all without even a borderline star in the lineup. hes done a decent job considering how many teams in similar situations suck balls despite top 10 draft picks year after year.

Still under .500 and coming off of back-to-back 9th seed finishes while other teams in similar territory the last few years are comfortably in the playoffs and have much better future outlooks. What will the shtick be if they get the 9th seed again this year?

[whatthe_buck!?]

I'd rather Tobias as our GM than Larry.

Exactly. Not sure I see the appeal of being forced to eat cow dung instead of human dung. At the end of the day you're still eating s**t.

U guys are crazy. At least exciting, hope-fostering and NON-soul-crushing stuff happened under Larry Harris. Following this team completely sucks now. Sh*t, europa u don't even care enough to post on this board anymore!

Oh and Paul, stop being bitter and hating Harris for drafting Bogut into this black hole of a franchise. Yes his career would have been totally different and much better if he had been drafted by just about any other team. Bad luck for Bogie but thats life. Get over it. Then again, if Bogut had been a better player and much more mentally strong when he was a younger, he could have changed the trajectory of the franchise instead of the franchise changing his trajectory...

[worthlessBucks]

"I'd just like to say that if I were going to trade Tobias Harris, Eric Bledsoe would have been in the package coming back our way. Just needed to get that out there"

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Is GOS seriously defending Hammond?

not on this trade im not. i like redick as a target.... getting him here and making a playoff push is about the only way we would have ever got him to sign here. im just questioning why we wouldnt have just offered the #1 for that oppurtunity. i dont think that pick is gonna get us another harris with the way hes looked in just his first 2 games playing for a coach without blinders on.

[ReasonablySober]

We are totally going to overpay jj

Yup. He's either a rental or he'll be overpaid to lure him back. Either way the Bucks are screwed. This was an indefensible move and I like JJ Redick too. But the cost to get him was far too high which is why no other team in the league was willing to pay it.

Get a grip. The Bucks aren't screwed because they dealt Tobias Harris, just like they're not screwed if they moved anyone on this roster, or hell, if they sign Redick. They didn't even screw themselves dealing Bogut. Harris was, at best, the 5th most important piece moving forward on a team that's going to struggle to hit .500. When the Bucks make a move that costs them a top 10 player wake me up.

[europa]

im just questioning why we wouldnt have just offered the #1 for that oppurtunity.

Because even when the Bucks do something right (don't mortgage the future for short-term gain) they still f it all up (trading away a player who's likely going to be better than the player you get with the pick you kept).

Ladies and gentlemen, your f'n Milwaukee Bucks.

[paulpressey25]

It would be truly amazing if Hammond somehow turned Bogut + the 10th spot in the 2011 draft into 1.3 seasons of Monta Ellis/Udoh/ one-third of a season of Redick. Looks like that will happen. And securing an extension in the process. Snagging the 9th seed for the 3rd year in a row would be the cherry. Astonishing stuff really.

Good summary. But this shouldn't be anything new. We've lit assets on fire for five years now under Hammond.

[Max Green]

This trade will look really bad if we don't re-sign Redick and Harris keeps putting up numbers. Maybe we can trade our 1st for him in the offseason.

[europa]

They didn't even screw themselves dealing Bogut.

Good point. That Steph Curry guy wouldn't help this team at all. He's awful and having a really bad season.

[jimmybones]

If Henson is any good at all the Bucks could've been set for the next 5+ years in the frontcourt with Harris, Henson and Sanders. You already have a high-impact defender in Sanders. Harris was an efficient 15 point per game (and maybe better) scorer. If Henson becomes a player you are set for years.

Why was this so hard to see? Why was the 8th seed more important than a promising future that could've resulted in much better than that with intelligent decision making?

Jesus.

This...sadly. It's so stupid/obvious that it reeks of horrendous meddling. I can't bring myself to believe Hammond is dumb enough to make this move without serious pressure from above or even the man behind the curtain himself demanding it.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If Henson is any good at all the Bucks could've been set for the next 5+ years in the frontcourt with Harris, Henson and Sanders. You already have a high-impact defender in Sanders. Harris was an efficient 15 point per game (and maybe better) scorer. If Henson becomes a player you are set for years.

so the 3 guys hammond drafted in the middle of the draft in back to back to back years would have set us for 5+ years. hammond trades one instead of giving up another mid 1st and now hes a flaming useless f'ing idiot. how about putting down the coffee for the night.

Don't drink coffee sorry. And I've explained why this was a horrific trade. It isn't going to move the needle. The Bucks were a strong bet to get the 8th seed before the trade. Have they suddenly become a championship contender now with Redick? Of course not, so there's no justification for it especially since neither Jennings nor Ellis (both of whom need to go) were dealt to make room for Redick.

Again, I like Redick but there's a reason why every team in the league that wanted him refused to pay the price the Magic were asking for. But not the Bucks. Not the team that's hellbent on an 8th seed. They were the suckers the Magic found. Just like they've been suckers time after time after time after time since Kohl ran Nellie out of town.

i agree it appears a horrific trade..... a stunning giveaway of talent. im just also suggesting its hammond whose solely and directly responsible for acquiring that talent that he just gave away, and for that talent you acknowledge which remains.

it appears a massive blunder but one that may not capsize anything if the summer goes right. the team thats assembled with this capspace along with the youth that remains could still have alot of upside. i want to see where the rest of it goes before i flip out.

[ReasonablySober]

They didn't even screw themselves dealing Bogut.

Good point. That Steph Curry guy wouldn't help this team at all. He's awful and having a really bad season.

Sure. He'd absolutely be the difference between a 8th seed and a 7th seed.

[Wooderson]

We are totally going to overpay jj

Yup. He's either a rental or he'll be overpaid to lure him back. Either way the Bucks are screwed. This was an indefensible move and I like JJ Redick too. But the cost to get him was far too high which is why no other team in the league was willing to pay it.

Get a grip. The Bucks aren't screwed because they dealt Tobias Harris, just like they're not screwed if they moved anyone on this roster, or hell, if they sign Redick. They didn't even screw themselves dealing Bogut. Harris was, at best, the 5th most important piece moving forward on a team that's going to struggle to hit .500. When the Bucks make a move that costs them a top 10 player wake me up.

Morey ---> Asset Management is example A. Sure Harris alone isn't going to land a Harden-like player, especially since that OKC situation was so rare. But it just continues the trend that this organization fails to get any long-term value from its assets. Bucks could have easily unloaded Sanders last year while he was only playing 12 minutes/game, only for him to explode out of the gate this year with the new team.

Most people here wouldn't be as furious about this team if they could land a top 4 seed and win a playoff series. Something there may have been a glimmer of hope for if they kept their long term pieces in place. Instead they just prematurely unload a strong asset in order to hang on to the crappy 8 seed.

[europa]

GOS, if you want me to praise Hammond for having the smarts to draft Harris I'll do so. That looks like it was a great pick given how good Harris has already shown himself to be offensively.

But you lose all those points and then some when you dump a 20-year-old player with so much promise, especially considering how much that kid likely could've helped your team when he was on it. But the Skiles Twins got fixated on the things Harris didn't do well in their eyes and ignored all the positive things he could've brought to the table.

This is why the Bucks can't have nice things. They just turn right around and f' em all to hell.