Official Trade Thread XXII (2/6/13 - 4/1/13)

[nate33]

I think Iggy is a really bad idea. When you are talking about free agents, you are in a bidding war. As such, you tend to pay fair value, or more likely, you tend to overpay. With that the case, you better make damn sure that the player in question is a perfect fit for your roster, so perfect that the overpayment is worth it. Iggy absolutely does not fall in that category. He is not a catch-and-shoot player. He is not a good 3-point shooter. And he needs the ball in his hands to be at his best. None of that works well on a team with John Wall. Heck, I'm not even sure if Iggy would help us more than Trevor Ariza does. I think Ariza is just as good of a defender, he's a good passer (relative to his usage rate), and he is a fair 3-point shooter. The things that Iggy does better (handle the ball, create his own shot for himself and others) aren't particularly needed on a team with John Wall.

I think the Wizards' system works fine with 3&D players at the SF position. They're easy to find and they're fairly cheap.

The Wizards need to utilize their resources to find a primary option low post player to ultimately replace Nene. That guy should be the 2nd best player on the team. Basically, the Wizards core should be Wall, Beal and a younger version of Nene. The rest of the pieces: a defensive big, a stretch four, 3&D wings, and a combo guard; are all role players that aren't particularly hard to find. We have some of them in place now, but we need to avoid getting too attached to them. When they get too expensive, they can be replaced.

[deneem4]

Yea nene needs to go...we need to go an all out effort for jj Hickson, earl clark, or larry Sanders....seraphin and singelton might as well be shipped off too...Wall/Beal/webster (ariza) is a good combo...unless we landing deng or a sf lik him we have tht position covered...

[GhostsOfGil]

The Wizards need to utilize their resources to find a primary option low post player to ultimately replace Nene. That guy should be the 2nd best player on the team. Basically, the Wizards core should be Wall, Beal and a younger version of Nene. The rest of the pieces: a defensive big, a stretch four, 3&D wings, and a combo guard; are all role players that aren't particularly hard to find. We have some of them in place now, but we need to avoid getting too attached to them. When they get too expensive, they can be replaced.

I know Paul Milsap, and Al Jefferson have been discussed around here. If Ariza chooses not to opt out and we resign Webster for the full MLE, do we have cap room to make a run at either of them?

[WizardsWorld]

Eric Gordon has nowhere near that kind of trade value given his contract and injury history.

I really didn't like lotto-pick-for-Derrick-Williams trades for most of the year, but now that were talking about a number 10 -12 pick, it looks more reasonable.

All the TWolves fans... or at least most of them on the board seem to be down with the Gordon deal. I for one would NOT take the chance on him due to injury and big money being owed... but Minny feels they need to upgrade at SG to have a shot at doing something next year and Gordon might be their best chance at doing that if he can stay healthy.
I know most of us aren't high on Williams... I for one see a ton of potential in the guy and a great fit next to Wall/Beal. I know most of you guys prefer Ilyasova... I for one don't. But that's cool .... totally respect your guys opinion... we just disagree.

[nate33]

The Wizards need to utilize their resources to find a primary option low post player to ultimately replace Nene. That guy should be the 2nd best player on the team. Basically, the Wizards core should be Wall, Beal and a younger version of Nene. The rest of the pieces: a defensive big, a stretch four, 3&D wings, and a combo guard; are all role players that aren't particularly hard to find. We have some of them in place now, but we need to avoid getting too attached to them. When they get too expensive, they can be replaced.

I know Paul Milsap, and Al Jefferson have been discussed around here. If Ariza chooses not to opt out and we resign Webster for the full MLE, do we have cap room to make a run at either of them?

No. If Ariza opts out, we will about $7M in cap room and 8 players on the roster. Assume minimum salary vets to flesh that out to 11 players and we'd have just $5.5M in cap room and won't be players in free agency. Retain Webster and we'll have less cap room than the MLE.

The only way to be a player in free agency is if Okafor opts out.

[WizardsWorld]

Yea nene needs to go...we need to go an all out effort for jj Hickson, earl clark, or larry Sanders....seraphin and singelton might as well be shipped off too...Wall/Beal/webster (ariza) is a good combo...unless we landing deng or a sf lik him we have tht position covered...

Disagree that Nene needs to go.... but totally agree to take a long hard look at JJ Hickson. He'd be a nice fit on our team. Sanders is pretty much untouchable in Milwaukee's eyes as he's their one young guy still locked into his deal for a while and seems to be improving. No interest in Clark. Would rather just keep Ariza then add Clark.

[willbcocks]

We should target John Henson. The bucks found their stud in Sanders, and Henson isn't getting a lot of floor time, but he's shown ability at times.

I wonder if they would be interested in something like Ariza and our second round pick? Or throw in any of our spare parts (Booker, Ves, Seraphin, Singleton) that would get it done.

[nate33]

All the TWolves fans... or at least most of them on the board seem to be down with the Gordon deal. I for one would NOT take the chance on him due to injury and big money being owed... but Minny feels they need to upgrade at SG to have a shot at doing something next year and Gordon might be their best chance at doing that if he can stay healthy.

I think Gordon could be had for cap relief (Ridnoir, Roy, filler) and the Minny pick. They'd do it without our pick being included. New Orleans has buyer's remorse on that contract. The question is, would Minny do it knowing that they have to pay Pekovic this summer?

As for Derrick Williams, I guess it really depends on how much one think he'll improve going forward. Since being moved to starting PF in the wake of Love's injury, Williams has scored at a pretty good clip, but he has done so with poor efficiency, weak rebounding, and very few wins. Since taking over as a starter 37 games ago, the TWolves have gone 10-17. Also notable, in that 37-game stretch, Williams played less than 18 minutes 4 times. The TWolves won 3 of those 4 games.

Up to this point, Williams has been nothing more than an empty stat padder who loses games.

[nate33]

We should target John Henson. The bucks found their stud in Sanders, and Henson isn't getting a lot of floor time, but he's shown ability at times.

I wonder if they would be interested in something like Ariza and our second round pick? Or throw in any of our spare parts (Booker, Ves, Seraphin, Singleton) that would get it done.

I don't think that's enough. Henson was a lotto pick last year, and it's not like he has been disappointing in the limited minutes he'd gotten (which is why we want him). Milwaukee isn't going to give him away that easy.

[tontoz]

I would feel a lot better about Nene if he had only 2 years left on his deal.

Anyone else getting tired of his his constant complaining to the refs?

[blazinskillz]

I would feel a lot better about Nene if he had only 2 years left on his deal.

Anyone else getting tired of his his constant complaining to the refs?

This. It's annoying cause he doesn't get back on Defense. I also hate when he brings the ball up court when the guards can recieve it. it seems when he does that, he's pissed about touches or something.

[DCZards]

I would feel a lot better about Nene if he had only 2 years left on his deal.

Anyone else getting tired of his his constant complaining to the refs?

Nene's complaining doesn't bother me. He's no more of a complainer than about half of the players in the league, including Wall. I just want to see Nene rested and healthy for next season because the Zards are a much better team when he's on the court.

[David Campo]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_22909147/just-being-javale?nstrack=sid:6689395|met:0000300|cat:0|order:5&%2F%3Fsource=dailyme


Speaking of Nene...what do you guys think about this...unusual...article about Javale?

[fishercob]

Couldn't be more glad that he's gone.

[Ruzious]

I would feel a lot better about Nene if he had only 2 years left on his deal.

Anyone else getting tired of his his constant complaining to the refs?

Nene's complaining doesn't bother me. He's no more of a complainer than about half of the players in the league, including Wall. I just want to see Nene rested and healthy for next season because the Zards are a much better team when he's on the court.

Me too. And actually, I think he hasn't complained enough in the past. Sometimes you have to raise a skink, or the officials will let players get away with stuff against quiet players. I think in the past he's been a victim of that, and he just got fed up with it and started to express his frustration. And playing in pain probably fueled that frustration. Anyway, that's my take on it - I could be wrong.

[Ruzious]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_22909147/just-being-javale?nstrack=sid:6689395|met:0000300|cat:0|order:5&%2F%3Fsource=dailyme


Speaking of Nene...what do you guys think about this...unusual...article about Javale?

Or, as teammate Kenneth Faried put it, upon hearing McGee describe his medical condition from across the locker room, "I didn't know you had ADD. I knew something was wrong with you, but I didn't know it was that."

[DMVleGeND]

I would feel a lot better about Nene if he had only 2 years left on his deal.

Anyone else getting tired of his his constant complaining to the refs?

Yes. Most of the time he's just looking for undeserved bailout calls.

[hands11]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_22909147/just-being-javale?nstrack=sid:6689395|met:0000300|cat:0|order:5&%2F%3Fsource=dailyme


Speaking of Nene...what do you guys think about this...unusual...article about Javale?

My ADD kept me from ready the entire thing. Too long.

[willbcocks]

We should target John Henson. The bucks found their stud in Sanders, and Henson isn't getting a lot of floor time, but he's shown ability at times.

I wonder if they would be interested in something like Ariza and our second round pick? Or throw in any of our spare parts (Booker, Ves, Seraphin, Singleton) that would get it done.

I don't think that's enough. Henson was a lotto pick last year, and it's not like he has been disappointing in the limited minutes he'd gotten (which is why we want him). Milwaukee isn't going to give him away that easy.

Their front office is even worse than ours, but yea, maybe they don't bite. Still, he's a guy I would keep on our radar.

[gesa2]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_22909147/just-being-javale?nstrack=sid:6689395|met:0000300|cat:0|order:5&%2F%3Fsource=dailyme


Speaking of Nene...what do you guys think about this...unusual...article about Javale?

he's fun and mental but not fundamental

Sums up the article and JaVale