OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon

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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1321 » by The4thHorseman » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:01 pm

otwok wrote:Is it confirmed it is a terrorist attack? Is there a confirmed motive?

I understand they are from the Northern Caucus but they've been here for a while and it is quite possible they've been far removed from the situation there (which in itself has nothing to do with the US).

It's referred to as a Terrorist attack whether the suspects are Foreign or American. Because it is just that...an act of terrorism, regardless of race or skin color.

What has happened or being referred to is a Domestic Terrorist Attck.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1322 » by otwok » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:06 pm

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otwok wrote:Is it confirmed it is a terrorist attack? Is there a confirmed motive?

I understand they are from the Northern Caucus but they've been here for a while and it is quite possible they've been far removed from the situation there (which in itself has nothing to do with the US).

It's referred to as a Terrorist attack whether the suspects are Foreign or American. Because it is just that...an act of terrorism, regardless of race or skin color.



Unfortunately that is not what a terrorism attack is. For it to be a terrorist attack it would need a political motive. You can't change a definition or a word just to make it fit a story. There is a reason there is a difference between a mass murder and a terrorist attack. That difference is motive. If the agenda in political and there are innocent people involved then it is an act of terrorism.

That is why school shootings are not classified as acts of terrorism.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1323 » by Ultra » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:10 pm

It IS politically motivated, dont you get it? Check the background information.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1324 » by The4thHorseman » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:10 pm

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama pronounced the deadly Boston Marathon explosions an act of terrorism on Tuesday as individuals close to the investigation said the two bombs were made of pressure cookers packed with ball bearings and metal shards that cut into the victims.

Appearing on television a short while afterward, Obama said the events in Boston were a “heinous cowardly act, and given what we now know about what took place, the FBI is investigating it as an act of terrorism.”

“Any time bombs are used to target innocent civilians it is an act of terror. What we don’t yet know, however, is who carried out this attack, or why. Whether it was planned and executed by a terrorist organization, foreign or domestic, or was the act of a malevolent individual. That’s what we don’t yet know.”
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1325 » by inquisitive » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:11 pm

otwok wrote:
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otwok wrote:Is it confirmed it is a terrorist attack? Is there a confirmed motive?

I understand they are from the Northern Caucus but they've been here for a while and it is quite possible they've been far removed from the situation there (which in itself has nothing to do with the US).

It's referred to as a Terrorist attack whether the suspects are Foreign or American. Because it is just that...an act of terrorism, regardless of race or skin color.



Unfortunately that is not what a terrorism attack is. For it to be a terrorist attack it would need a political motive. You can't change a definition or a word just to make it fit a story. There is a reason there is a difference between a mass murder and a terrorist attack. That difference is motive. If the agenda in political and there are innocent people involved then it is an act of terrorism.

That is why school shootings are not classified as acts of terrorism.


well, we still don't know yet whether it was politically motivated, so stay tuned...

CNN appears to think so...guess we will know more info tomorrow
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1326 » by wtcantfw » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:14 pm

otwok wrote:
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otwok wrote:Is it confirmed it is a terrorist attack? Is there a confirmed motive?

I understand they are from the Northern Caucus but they've been here for a while and it is quite possible they've been far removed from the situation there (which in itself has nothing to do with the US).

It's referred to as a Terrorist attack whether the suspects are Foreign or American. Because it is just that...an act of terrorism, regardless of race or skin color.



Unfortunately that is not what a terrorism attack is. For it to be a terrorist attack it would need a political motive. You can't change a definition or a word just to make it fit a story. There is a reason there is a difference between a mass murder and a terrorist attack. That difference is motive. If the agenda in political and there are innocent people involved then it is an act of terrorism.

That is why school shootings are not classified as acts of terrorism.

An act of terrorism does not have to be politically motivated. Sure, some kind of motive is necessary, but why does it have to be political?
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1327 » by inquisitive » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:15 pm

Unfortunately that is not what a terrorism attack is. For it to be a terrorist attack it would need a political motive. You can't change a definition or a word just to make it fit a story. There is a reason there is a difference between a mass murder and a terrorist attack. That difference is motive. If the agenda in political and there are innocent people involved then it is an act of terrorism.

That is why school shootings are not classified as acts of terrorism.[/quote]
An act of terrorism does not have to be politically motivated. Sure, some kind of motive is necessary, but why does it have to be political?[/quote]

agree...it appears to be political anyway.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1328 » by otwok » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:17 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama pronounced the deadly Boston Marathon explosions an act of terrorism on Tuesday as individuals close to the investigation said the two bombs were made of pressure cookers packed with ball bearings and metal shards that cut into the victims.

Appearing on television a short while afterward, Obama said the events in Boston were a “heinous cowardly act, and given what we now know about what took place, the FBI is investigating it as an act of terrorism.”

“Any time bombs are used to target innocent civilians it is an act of terror. What we don’t yet know, however, is who carried out this attack, or why. Whether it was planned and executed by a terrorist organization, foreign or domestic, or was the act of a malevolent individual. That’s what we don’t yet know.”



Yea but the President doesn't get to change the defintion of a term because it fits his narrative. The term itself has a set definition that has been used for a long time now (even before 9/11) so for it to be Terrorism it needs to fit the definition and by definition it needs to have a religious or political agenda to it. For us to know that we must have some evidence that suggests it which we don't know. All because Obama says it doesn't mean it is fact. Bombing isn't a criteria of terrorism.

And every killing or murder invokes terror but that is not what terrorism is.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1329 » by otwok » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:20 pm

tarheel06 wrote:An act of terrorism does not have to be politically motivated. Sure, some kind of motive is necessary, but why does it have to be political?



EIther political or religious. That is the definition of the term. I am not saying that this is not terrorism, what I am saying is that we don't know it. The chances are high that it is but at least for me I am not one to jump to conclusions and follow what everyone says all because it fits some sort of narrative.

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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1330 » by Nobymoby » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:22 pm

Theres a guy with a bomb strapped to him?
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1331 » by Viatical » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:28 pm

Nobymoby wrote:Theres a guy with a bomb strapped to him?


The older brother who was shot had a bomb strapped to him.

Authorities are unsure if the younger one, who is still at large, does or not.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1332 » by Paradise » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:30 pm

It's just interesting how both have had clean reputations with everyone they've come in contact with. Quite frankly, I think it's deeper than some political reasons.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1333 » by rockmanslim » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:38 pm

msnbc just showed the uncle, ruslan tsarni, giving a press conference. he was livid at his nephews, says he should turn himself in and ask for forgiveness. says they've brought shame to his family and shame to the entire chechen ethnicity.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1334 » by aussieman33 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:38 pm

Paradise wrote:It's just interesting how both have had clean reputations with everyone they've come in contact with. Quite frankly, I think it's deeper than some political reasons.


The older one was arrested for beating his girlfriend a few years ago...
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1335 » by Nobymoby » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:39 pm

Damn unkle laying it tough.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1336 » by Inevitable » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:40 pm

rockmanslim wrote:msnbc just showed the uncle, ruslan tsarni, giving a press conference. he was livid at his nephews, says he should turn himself in and ask for forgiveness. says they've brought shame to his family and shame to the entire chechen ethnicity.


It's live on CNN
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1337 » by rockmanslim » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:41 pm

Inevitable wrote:
rockmanslim wrote:msnbc just showed the uncle, ruslan tsarni, giving a press conference. he was livid at his nephews, says he should turn himself in and ask for forgiveness. says they've brought shame to his family and shame to the entire chechen ethnicity.


It's live on CNN


just watched it on msnbc a few minutes ago, they must've shown it first. cnn is slipping.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1338 » by Nobymoby » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:42 pm

That's kinda inappropriate question, still liked his response.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1339 » by Hero » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:47 pm

Well the e-detectives really had it wrong. I mean so many people out there on reddit, on this forum and on twitter etc all sure it's Sunil and some people even making derogatory comments. Maybe next time let the experts work on the case instead of making crazy theories up. Could get someone innocent hurt next time.
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Re: OT: Bombing / Explosions at the Boston Marathon 

Post#1340 » by Paradise » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:48 pm

Stuff like this is exactly why conspiracy theorist are a cancer to alot of people out there. It's very possible, these guys read and believed in some of this idiots who go on Youtube or have websites that put out all of these conspiracy stories and pretty much brainwashed their beliefs into doing such things.

It's all but confirmed they have been radicalized.

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