Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V

[Deeptu McPullup]

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of drafting Noel. I think there is a very real possibility that the Cavs pass on him, especially with their unorthodox draft history.

I want nothing to do with Noel at all. By that I mean that, yes, we should take him if he's there at 3. A consensus 1st available at 3? I think we'd have to.

When 206 was reported, there was a certain "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE IN A FIRE!!!" moment for most of us, but this is probably an overreaction. He supposedly was 228 or whatever during the season and he's just got a metabolism that eats him down quickly if he's stationary. The upside of that metabolism is that he's a spring in short pants, so maybe we're trying to have it both ways here.

I'll watch some more film, but there's a big chance of major regrets if we pass on him. Realistically, most of the project bigs we're talking about are going to take just as long to develop as Nerlens anyway. So, F' it, right?

Even though Ernie being in a lame duck year makes the pick look unlikely, Ted, as much crap as he deservedly gets for a lot of things, well might just say "F' it, Ern, pick him. PICK HIM!". I strongly suspect that we can acquire at least some incremental improvement type players with expiring Ernie's Kids®, a willingness to take on 2015 salary and minor sweetener.

F' it. Take him if he's there and fondle your worry beads until he comes back at Christmas, or 'Noel', if you prefer.

[stevemcqueen1]

When healthy, your team is dangerous and all you need is a productive SF. How about this trade?

Bulls Get: #3 Pick & Trevor Ariza
Wizards Get: Luol Deng & CHI 2015 Pick

Assuming McLemore is still available at #3, this deal gives us a young-athletic shooting guard that can develop next to Rose and allows Butler to become the starting SF. The Wizards on the other hand is one reliable SF away from becoming a dangerous team in the East. If you're team is not sold on Porter, we have Deng to offer to provide production at SF and veteran leadership in the locker room. He is also an All-Star who will fit perfectly next to Wall and Beal.

Fillers would have to be included to make the salaries match. Ariza will probably opt-in on the final year of his contract so he has to be in the trade to make the trade work.

I would absolutely not make that deal. I would much rather use the pick on Porter than trade for Deng. And Chicago's late future draft picks are practically worthless as team building assets to us. Why would we give Ariza up on top of that?

[fishercob]

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of drafting Noel. I think there is a very real possibility that the Cavs pass on him, especially with their unorthodox draft history.

I want nothing to do with Noel at all. By that I mean that, yes, we should take him if he's there at 3. A consensus 1st available at 3? I think we'd have to.

When 206 was reported, there was a certain "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE IN A FIRE!!!" moment for most of us, but this is probably an overreaction. He supposedly was 228 or whatever during the season and he's just got a metabolism that eats him down quickly if he's stationary. The upside of that metabolism is that he's a spring in short pants, so maybe we're trying to have it both ways here.

I'll watch some more film, but there's a big chance of major regrets if we pass on him. Realistically, most of the project bigs we're talking about are going to take just as long to develop as Nerlens anyway. So, F' it, right?

Even though Ernie being in a lame duck year makes the pick look unlikely, Ted, as much crap as he deservedly gets for a lot of things, well might just say "F' it, Ern, pick him. PICK HIM!". I strongly suspect that we can acquire at least some incremental improvement type players with expiring Ernie's Kids®, a willingness to take on 2015 salary and minor sweetener.

F' it. Take him if he's there and fondle your worry beads until he comes back at Christmas, or 'Noel', if you prefer.

Man, I'm glad you're back here posting. That said, over the past few weeks I have sporadically heard a voice in my head saying your screen name with a thick Indian accent. Again, I am in need of some professional help.

[nate33]

When healthy, your team is dangerous and all you need is a productive SF. How about this trade?

Bulls Get: #3 Pick & Trevor Ariza
Wizards Get: Luol Deng & CHI 2015 Pick

Assuming McLemore is still available at #3, this deal gives us a young-athletic shooting guard that can develop next to Rose and allows Butler to become the starting SF. The Wizards on the other hand is one reliable SF away from becoming a dangerous team in the East. If you're team is not sold on Porter, we have Deng to offer to provide production at SF and veteran leadership in the locker room. He is also an All-Star who will fit perfectly next to Wall and Beal.

Fillers would have to be included to make the salaries match. Ariza will probably opt-in on the final year of his contract so he has to be in the trade to make the trade work.

I would absolutely not make that deal. I would much rather use the pick on Porter than trade for Deng. And Chicago's late future draft picks are practically worthless as team building assets to us. Why would we give Ariza up on top of that?

I'm not even sure if I would trade Ariza straight up for Deng, much less include the #3 pick in the draft, especially when you factor the price difference (Ariza at $7.7M, Deng at $14.2M). Ariza is an equivalent defender and shoots the 3-ball better. He doesn't create as much offense with the mid range game, but we don't really need that with John Wall. They're the same age.

[Nivek]

Lord, DJ Stephens broke max vertical, 3/4 sprint and max reach records, last one was holded by O'Neal.

The guy is a monkey

Since March Madness I've called him, Zeke Marshall, and Nate Wolters the most underrated prospects.

Stephens is a freak athlete and one worthy of a late first round pick.

The challenge with Stephens is what position he'll play in the NBA. He's undersized for a PF, and he had a subpar bench press (for a PF) at the combine. His agility score was about average for a PF, but his sprint was freaky fast and his vertical is incredible.

His potential NBA team has to figure what kind of player he should be. A Rodman-like robo-rebounder and defender? He'll need to get stronger. And, he's not as long as Rodman was. A Bowen-like 3&D SF? Size is about right. He shot the 3pt shot decently in his senior season, but on just 36 total attempts. He didn't shoot the 3 at all really his first 3 years at Memphis.

He also didn't play much overall -- just 23.6 mpg as a senior, and much less than that previously.

This is the kind of guy I'd want to pick up in the late 2nd round or as an undrafted free agent. I wouldn't want to spend a first round pick (even late in the first round) on him because his bust potential is high. His boom potential is also there, of course. I'd want him if the acquisition cost was low.

[BullsFTW]

When healthy, your team is dangerous and all you need is a productive SF. How about this trade?

Bulls Get: #3 Pick & Trevor Ariza
Wizards Get: Luol Deng & CHI 2015 Pick

Assuming McLemore is still available at #3, this deal gives us a young-athletic shooting guard that can develop next to Rose and allows Butler to become the starting SF. The Wizards on the other hand is one reliable SF away from becoming a dangerous team in the East. If you're team is not sold on Porter, we have Deng to offer to provide production at SF and veteran leadership in the locker room. He is also an All-Star who will fit perfectly next to Wall and Beal.

Fillers would have to be included to make the salaries match. Ariza will probably opt-in on the final year of his contract so he has to be in the trade to make the trade work.

I would absolutely not make that deal. I would much rather use the pick on Porter than trade for Deng. And Chicago's late future draft picks are practically worthless as team building assets to us. Why would we give Ariza up on top of that?

Ariza would have to be in the deal to make the trade work financially. I understand the intrigue about Porter, but to me your Wizards is on a win-now mode, and Deng provides solid production at SF that can propel the Wizards to a Top 5 team in the East when healthy.

[stevemcqueen1]

Did anyone else find it odd that a 24 year old 20 PER big shooting the thee like Dirk Nowitzki barely received any interest on the open market last year? That he had to sign with one of the worst teams in the league in the middle of a total overhaul for just 8.5 million per year when guys like DeAndre Jordan and JaVale McGee got 11 million a year from two of the best teams in the West? I think the league sees Anderson as a one trick pony that you have to cover up in too many ways to make him worth it.

I don't buy that characterization at all. $8.5M a year is a pretty big chunk of money. New Orleans also had to trade Ayon as part of the S&T. Heck, New Orleans got rid of two pretty solid players in Okafor and Ariza just to facilitate the deal. And comparing the signing to McGee and Jordan is false analogy. McGee was acquired via trade. Jordan was resigned by his own team using Bird Rights.

Nobody is saying Anderson is an elite player. But he is a very effective floor spreader who also rebounds very well on the defensive glass. It's a matter of chemistry. If you can get him on a team where his floor spacing ability complements a superstar like Dwight Howard or John Wall, it can really pay off. It's not working as well in New Orleans because they don't have anyone to take advantage of the floor spacing. Teams can defend New Orleans without double team help from Anderson's defender.

Point being, McGee and Jordan were deemed worth keeping at an expensive clip by their teams, and their teams were good. Orlando has almost no NBA caliber talent and they decided not to keep Anderson. Neither JaVale nor Jordan are that good either.

I don't think Anderson qualifies as good on the defensive glass. He's pretty bad for a PF. He only averaged 6.4 rebounds per game and his total rebound % was only 12.4 this year, 149th in the NBA. His defensive rebounding percentage was only 15.4 which was 174th in the league. He was one of the main culprits for one of the worst defensive teams in the league last year. And by any defensive measure you can come up with he was in the bottom half of the league.

If all you need at the 4 is a 3 point shooter that can't rebound or defend, you don't need to give up anything for Ryan Anderson or commit 8 + million a year to him. Just rotate Ariza or Porter at the 4. They could not be worse at doing PF things than Anderson.

[BullsFTW]

When healthy, your team is dangerous and all you need is a productive SF. How about this trade?

Bulls Get: #3 Pick & Trevor Ariza
Wizards Get: Luol Deng & CHI 2015 Pick

Assuming McLemore is still available at #3, this deal gives us a young-athletic shooting guard that can develop next to Rose and allows Butler to become the starting SF. The Wizards on the other hand is one reliable SF away from becoming a dangerous team in the East. If you're team is not sold on Porter, we have Deng to offer to provide production at SF and veteran leadership in the locker room. He is also an All-Star who will fit perfectly next to Wall and Beal.

Fillers would have to be included to make the salaries match. Ariza will probably opt-in on the final year of his contract so he has to be in the trade to make the trade work.

I would absolutely not make that deal. I would much rather use the pick on Porter than trade for Deng. And Chicago's late future draft picks are practically worthless as team building assets to us. Why would we give Ariza up on top of that?

I'm not even sure if I would trade Ariza straight up for Deng, much less include the #3 pick in the draft, especially when you factor the price difference (Ariza at $7.7M, Deng at $14.2M). Ariza is an equivalent defender and shoots the 3-ball better. He doesn't create as much offense with the mid range game, but we don't really need that with John Wall. They're the same age.

Deng is a better player than Ariza. He's more consistent and provides a better all-around game.

[GhostsOfGil]

Noel would be nº1, I don't if the Cavs would trade the pick or whatever, but he'll be nº1

If Porter is #1 one on the Cavs bored than they can't trade down to get him because they know the Wiz will grab him at 3.

Cavs could take porter 1. Trey or Oladipo could both go as high as 4 so I doubt Orlando would trade down either.

Wiz take Noel at 3.

[nate33]

Noel would be nº1, I don't if the Cavs would trade the pick or whatever, but he'll be nº1

If Porter is #1 one on the Cavs bored than they can't trade down to get him because they know the Wiz will grab him at 3.

Cavs could take porter 1. Trey or Oladipo could both go as high as 4 so I doubt Orlando would trade down either.

Wiz take Noel at 3.

If they really want Porter, I wonder if it would only take minor incentive to trade up from #3 to #1 to draft Noel. Something like Seraphin + #3 for #1. I'm not crazy about paying Noel 1st overall pick money to spend his first two seasons getting healthy and gaining weight, but in the long run, it could really pay off.

[nate33]

I would absolutely not make that deal. I would much rather use the pick on Porter than trade for Deng. And Chicago's late future draft picks are practically worthless as team building assets to us. Why would we give Ariza up on top of that?

I'm not even sure if I would trade Ariza straight up for Deng, much less include the #3 pick in the draft, especially when you factor the price difference (Ariza at $7.7M, Deng at $14.2M). Ariza is an equivalent defender and shoots the 3-ball better. He doesn't create as much offense with the mid range game, but we don't really need that with John Wall. They're the same age.

Deng is a better player than Ariza. He's more consistent and provides a better all-around game.

Deng is better, but is he so much better that it's worth the #3 overall pick plus $7M just to rent him for one year? I think not.

[Dark Faze]

Cavs are weird. Do they really think that a Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller frontcourt is going to win them a single playoff series moving forward? Sure they have a need at SF, but they are dumb for even debating missing out on a franchise center.

Lol are we still arguing the pick at #3? Porter has a good chance of being Paul George good. Not as good of a ball handler but a better shooter, just as good of a defender, better rebounder and passer.

[GhostsOfGil]

Noel would be nº1, I don't if the Cavs would trade the pick or whatever, but he'll be nº1

If Porter is #1 one on the Cavs bored than they can't trade down to get him because they know the Wiz will grab him at 3.

Cavs could take porter 1. Trey or Oladipo could both go as high as 4 so I doubt Orlando would trade down either.

Wiz take Noel at 3.

If they really want Porter, I wonder if it would only take minor incentive to trade up from #3 to #1 to draft Noel. Something like Seraphin + #3 for #1. I'm not crazy about paying Noel 1st overall pick money to spend his first two seasons getting healthy and gaining weight, but in the long run, it could really pay off.

Make that Singleton or Booker and I'm in like Flynn.

[Dark Faze]

I want Porter over Noel. I think the Nene/Okafor front court is good for a few more seasons and the money that opens up can get us a decent free agent big. Guys have gotten good rebounding/defensive c's in free agency the last few off-seasons.

I think Porter is being underrated in his scoring potential. With his length, shooting and defense we'll have a core of potential top 5 players of their position for the next 10 years.

[truwizfan4evr]

I would not trade are third pick on Deng.

[No-Man]

Cavs are weird. Do they really think that a Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller frontcourt is going to win them a single playoff series moving forward? Sure they have a need at SF, but they are dumb for even debating missing out on a franchise center.

Lol are we still arguing the pick at #3? Porter has a good chance of being Paul George good. Not as good of a ball handler but a better shooter, just as good of a defender, better rebounder and passer.

Porter hasnt the elite athleticism that George has.

Porter ceiling is something like Turkoglu with better D or Prince with better O, he isnt going to be an All Star (maybe one time? who knows, but nothing like that).

At 3 is a poor pick in any draft, but its what the Wizards need so... perhaps its the right move.

I'd try to trade the pick along Okafor for a legit Center long-term.

Cavs will take Noel that teams needs defense, their Guards are terrible defenders, they need a strong presence to help them.

[No-Man]

I want Porter over Noel. I think the Nene/Okafor front court is good for a few more seasons and the money that opens up can get us a decent free agent big. Guys have gotten good rebounding/defensive c's in free agency the last few off-seasons.

I think Porter is being underrated in his scoring potential. With his length, shooting and defense we'll have a core of potential top 5 players of their position for the next 10 years.

The two of them will miss ton of games every season, it's not good enough, maybe for Playoffs next year, yes, but no way long term.

Nobody would pick Porter over Noel, if there's any option to trade-up for the Cavs pick, the Wizards should try.

Porter is unathletic, not strong enough and slow, he's smart but his shooting form needs work and he isnt a scorer at all.

[fugop]

There isn't much of a case for Deng over Ariza.

http://bkref.com/tiny/KvVKA

Ariza rebounds better and is modestly more efficient, Deng is higher usage. Ho hum. I wouldn't do the trade straight up, with salary considered.

[stevemcqueen1]

I would absolutely not make that deal. I would much rather use the pick on Porter than trade for Deng. And Chicago's late future draft picks are practically worthless as team building assets to us. Why would we give Ariza up on top of that?

I'm not even sure if I would trade Ariza straight up for Deng, much less include the #3 pick in the draft, especially when you factor the price difference (Ariza at $7.7M, Deng at $14.2M). Ariza is an equivalent defender and shoots the 3-ball better. He doesn't create as much offense with the mid range game, but we don't really need that with John Wall. They're the same age.

Deng is a better player than Ariza. He's more consistent and provides a better all-around game.

Yeah he's a better player, but he's also twice the price.

[truwizfan4evr]

Trading are draft pick to get Deng would make me sick. I want nothing to do with him he getting older and he's always hurt. I want to keep are draft pick and take either Noel or Porter if cavs decided to go elsewhere with there number 1 pick.