Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V

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Posting for the music...
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[truwizfan4evr]

is there any chance Bennett will be a better overall defender in the pros then in college?

[closg00]

At-first I pictured Potter wearing a Wiz hat on draft-night, now I think the Cavs will take Porter. I wonder who the Wiz have at #2 on their board?

[gesa2]

Case against Bennett:
- Injured each of the last three years.
- Seems immature, but also seems like a nice kid.
- loses focus in games and makes silly errors on D. Loses his man from watching the ball. Leaves his man to give weakside help too early and too frequently and gives up the open dish. Leaves his feet on shot fakes a lot. Gives up deep position to true bigs.
- Motor is inconsistent, doesn't always run back on D. Doesn't always work to get open, will stand on the perimeter and watch the action when he's tired.
- Doesn't know how to play off the ball. Will post up in spots he can't score from, won't shake his man on the perimeter, waits for the pass to come to him and then tries to create his own shot off the dribble.
- Post game in general is under developed, doesn't have jump hooks.
- Settles for bad shots.
- Columnar build that looks like he carries extra weight in the midsection, probably effects his conditioning.

This is what scares me the most about Bennett, not his D (although that scares me some too). All of his highlight reel stuff is from isolation plays or offensive rebounds. If he can't work off of Wall and Beal, he won't be much good in our starting 5. Very few players are efficient enough as iso scorers to be better than running the offense and getting a good shot that way. Do the people who have seen a lot of him see Bennett as capable of working the pick and roll/pick and pop, handling double teams, swinging the ball to the next spot?

[BruceO]

with the pacers in the finals featuring george and hibbert as some of the most important players. How do you think porter and len would match up against them down the line? would they have the same impact vs other teams?

in other news hoopshype reporting that victor oladipo working out for the wizards against schroeder. Can we have a thread showing player workouts and feedback without their getting lost in draft thread?

[nate33]

Can we have a thread showing player workouts and feedback without their getting lost in draft thread?

There wouldn't be much to talk about since we won't be watching those workouts. I think any speculation or rumors we hear about the workouts are probably best discussed here. But that's just me. Go ahead and start a workouts thread if you like.

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At-first I pictured Potter wearing a Wiz hat on draft-night, now I think the Cavs will take Porter. I wonder who the Wiz have at #2 on their board?

Potter sitting with a wiz hat on draft night would probably be at Hogwarts - I don't think they have TVs there

Sorry, couldn't resist.

If the Cavs take Porter, I doubt Orlando takes Noel, so Noel would probably be the pick.

[sfam]

is there any chance Bennett will be a better overall defender in the pros then in college?

I gotta think there's a huge chance he does better on D. We still want to get more info but it doesn't look like he was asked to do much on D.

[nate33]

If the Cavs take Porter, I doubt Orlando takes Noel, so Noel would probably be the pick.

Orlando fans tend to disagree. They say they would take Noel. There's also a good chance that they trade down a few spots, with someone else moving up to take Noel.

We might have to call Orlando while they're on the clock and work out a pick swap, giving them some modest incentive to do so.

[sfam]

If the Cavs take Porter, I doubt Orlando takes Noel, so Noel would probably be the pick.

Orlando fans tend to disagree. They say they would take Noel. There's also a good chance that they trade down a few spots, with someone else moving up to take Noel.

We might have to call Orlando while they're on the clock and work out a pick swap, giving them some modest incentive to do so.

I would call their bluff. They've already got Vucavec, and nobody who can score the ball like McLemore. Besides, if we're as high on Bennett as reports say, we'll be fine even if they do take Noel.

[truwizfan4evr]

We should make a deal with Dallas for there 13 pick would anyone take a risk on shabazz muhammad at 13? If were not able to draft porter that is.

[WizarDynasty]

there is absolutely no way porter will be a better small forward than shabazz. the biggest weapon shabazz has that wasn't shown in college is that he has an explosive first step. that will be his meal ticket in the nba. He's has the exact same standing reach as porter, much better catch and shoot which works perfect for john wall and he attacks and draws fouls because his first step will consistently force the defense to collapse. Having both Wall and Shabazz be able to get into the lane and will plus shabazz is an outstanding catch and shoot will have the wizards looking like a golden state. Adams---tim duncan type game---minus the polished post moves duncan showed by his fourth year in college but Adams would definitely be just as polished if he had three more years, tie between Bennett--carmelo anthony game and Shabazz---joe johnson with more explosive first step, and my fourth guy and far and away from the top three is otto porter---aka james posey/meet dorrel wright/corey brewer as his ceiling..
people seem to forget that martell webster was a lottery pick that has been injured most his career. we are bearing the fruits of what made him a lotto pick. Noel is pretty much Brendan Wright/ hassan whiteside reincarnated...the rookie one...not the refined one that plays for dallas now.

[AFM]

Can I just say WizD is one of the GOATs? I read every WizD post.

[pancakes3]

We should make a deal with Dallas for there 13 pick would anyone take a risk on shabazz muhammad at 13? If were not able to draft porter that is.

I'd rather take Zeller or Adams and I think most of the other guys on the board would probably advocate McCollum. Either way I think Shabazz is low on the collective priority list.

Edit to add:

He's [Shabazz] has the exact same standing reach as porter

Porter's standing reach is 8'9.5 and Shabazz's is 8'8.5.

[The Consiglieri]

Wow, looking at his model, Noel & Porter are studs. Interesting stuff.

Yeah. It's making me reconsider my preference for Bennett.

It's worth mentioning that he presumably developed this model by backtesting it over the last couple of drafts. As a result, it's going to show pretty good results retroactively, but it doesn't necessarily mean it'll be that predictive going forward. I wonder how many drafts he has backtested his model on. If it's just the 3 he posted, then it gives me much less confidence in his model. If his model holds up for the last 10 drafts or so, then it would be pretty significant.

I only saw the 3 year thing, and it read like he modified his approach based on getting good results for the last three years. It might be accurate, but I don't have lots of confidence in it yet. I too would like to know what his stats showed prior to the last 3 years.

Am I the only person that's not hugely impressed with it? I think Nivek would stand up to it, and a lot of us as well. There are some 'clear and palpable hits', George and Monroe in '10, sniffing out the overvalue o Turner and Favors in that draft (though I still like Favors), Leonard, Butler and Faried in '11, though many of us loved Faried and Butler, and nothing about '12 is particularly impressive. To me it's not noticeably different than the best of us, though I like that he can build a system well.

[tontoz]

Can I just say WizD is one of the GOATs? I read every WizD post.

He always has the best sigs, that's for sure.

[tontoz]

If the Cavs take Porter, I doubt Orlando takes Noel, so Noel would probably be the pick.

Orlando fans tend to disagree. They say they would take Noel. There's also a good chance that they trade down a few spots, with someone else moving up to take Noel.

We might have to call Orlando while they're on the clock and work out a pick swap, giving them some modest incentive to do so.

Orlando is just starting their rebuild. They can afford to wait on Noel and tank for next years draft.

[popper]

IMO there are a couple of players that would be difficult to pass on given our need for bigs with high ceiling and moderate risk. I see no reason why Gobert and Adams shouldn't become very good NBA centers. They can come in immediately and provide acceptable backup minutes to Oak. Give them each a year of development, experience and an off-season of big man school then look out. These guys have super-high ceilings. If I were EG I would make sure I got one of them.

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IMO there are a couple of players that would be difficult to pass on given our need for bigs with high ceiling and moderate risk. I see no reason why Gobert and Adams shouldn't become very good NBA centers. They can come in immediately and provide acceptable backup minutes to Oak. Give them each a year of development, experience and an off-season of big man school then look out. These guys have super-high ceilings. If I were EG I would make sure I got one of them.

I'm pretty much sold on Adams as a good pick outside of the top 10, but I'm a little more fearful about Gobert, and would put him at a high risk. He seems farther away from understanding basketball. I think the risk that he never really gets it is a lot higher than Adams. Adams is at least athletic enough that he can recover quickly. Gobert just seems really really large.

[mhd]

IMO, Noel's floor is the #2 pick. The Magic won't pass up a guy who looks like a perfect compliment to Vucavic.