Pre-Draft Thread / Workout Updates

NikolaPekovic · Post #301 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:37 am

Klomp wrote:
NikolaPekovic wrote:We dont need another scoring big. We have bigger needs. Would be a waste of a pick.

I'm sure you'll be saying the same thing when Stiemsma is starting 20 games that Pek misses with injury?

Then we start kevin at center and AK at Pf.......

Post #302 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:15 am

NikolaPekovic wrote:We dont need another scoring big. We have bigger needs. Would be a waste of a pick.

I'd rather end up with a competent scoring big than another Wes Johnson or Jonny Flynn. I just don't want another bust,

shrink · Post #303 » by **shrink** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:18 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
shrink wrote:
NikolaPekovic wrote:I feel like the wizards should be interested in Dwill. They need a good pick and pop big.

I agree. Some wizards fans have always liked DWill, and more got on board as he did better and better in the second half last season.

I agree too - They have no need for a center, PG or SG, and Martell Webster is a reasonable cheap, effective SF. They need a PF and Wall said specifically
“I don’t know,” Wall said of his hopes for the pick during a Red Bull-sponsored event at Gallaudet University on Saturday night. “It’s up in the air right now. I feel like we need a four man that can pick and pop, so we’ll just see.”

That could be Bennett, or it could be Derrick Williams and a #9 pick, which imo is a way better gamble.

Thanks Devilz. I am going to enjoy using Wall's quote on the trade board the next time I see a Wiz poster knock Derrick Williams.

I expect some sort of Star Trek android melt down, where they start muttering, "But Williams can't do what we want, but Wall says he can, but Wall knows what we want, and Wall doesn't lie, but, but .."

Tirion · Post #304 » by **Tirion** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:33 am

Yeah, I'd be okay with Zeller if he's the BPA (meaning the 7 guys I like over him are gone, which they probably will be)

But you better **** trade D-Will in that case.

Saltine · Post #305 » by **Saltine** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:51 pm

We have 5 pg's, 3 pf's, 3 c's, 1 sf's, and no SG's on the roster.
And some of you want another PF, at #9?
Because our All Star desperately needs someone to share those 12 minutes behind him with the other 2 PF's.
LOL

Some of you guys are just nuts.

Post #306 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:55 pm

I wouldn't say I want Zeller, but he's 7 feet fricken tall. He can play center.

Post #307 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:00 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I wouldn't say I want Zeller, but he's 7 feet fricken tall. He can play center.

This is my stance too.

Krapinsky · Post #308 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:03 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I wouldn't say I want Zeller, but he's 7 feet fricken tall. He can play center.

Are there any good examples of quality centers with his t-rex arm measurements? I can't think of any.

Post #309 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:11 pm

Players aren't typically listed with their wingspans, so that's a tough question to answer. There's only couple of bigs I know with relatively short wingspans that have been successful, Blake Griffin and Yao Ming. I wouldn't consider either comparable with Zeller, but I wouldn't be dismissive of a player solely on wingspan either.
I think if Zeller is the best player on the board, then we should take him and play him at center.

Krapinsky · Post #310 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:18 pm

Despite the high skill-level and tremendous versatility Zeller displays, his offensive game is not a cinch to translate seamlessly to the NBA, unless he makes some stark improvement in certain areas. For one, Zeller didn't add all that much weight to his frame between his freshman and sophomore seasons, or at least he didn't maintain the bulk he did put on, as he still gets pushed around quite a bit inside by more physical opponents. Does he have the lower body strength needed to establish position inside the paint and score in the low-post the way he did in college? Opposing teams seemingly recognized that he doesn't love contact and tried to rough him up quite a bit as the year moved on, which he didn't really respond to in the best way, especially in Indiana's biggest games.

His short wingspan and seemingly small hands appeared to be a major factor when looking at his ability to finish over length at the collegiate level, as he has a low release point on many of his shots around the rim, and gets his shot blocked a lot more than you'd hope. With his frail frame, average explosiveness off two feet, and short arms, there are plenty of concerns about whether he'll be able to finish consistently in traffic at the NBA level.

Many of the same concerns apply when attempting to evaluate what type of rebounder and defender he might be in the NBA as well. His short wingspan, underdeveloped frame and average toughness could make it difficult for him to be a major factor on the glass or as a weakside presence, as he struggles to stop more physical opponents from posting him up inside, and was not a prolific rebounder or shot-blocker at the college level. As a power forward, there are some question marks about whether he has the ability to consistently stay in front of more perimeter oriented players, as he isn't overly physical putting a body on opponents or containing penetration, and thus got scored on a fair amount at the college level in one on one situations.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2Vq3E2JPJ
http://www.draftexpress.com

Just too many red flags with this guy. I really think he's a bust if he's a center. If he can guard 4's, then I think he might be okay as a face up 4 out of the high post. He's not in my top 15 players in this draft right now.

Post #311 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:20 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:I wouldn't say I want Zeller, but he's 7 feet fricken tall. He can play center.

Are there any good examples of quality centers with his t-rex arm measurements? I can't think of any.

How quality are you looking for?

Krapinsky · Post #312 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:21 pm

Klomp wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:I wouldn't say I want Zeller, but he's 7 feet fricken tall. He can play center.

Are there any good examples of quality centers with his t-rex arm measurements? I can't think of any.

How quality are you looking for?

Let's set the bar low. How about a solid NBA starter for at least 5 years?

Post #313 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:22 pm

The question marks are legitimate, but I don't think there's a lot of sure things in this draft. I figure he's 7 ft and skilled, that's enough to give him a chance.

Krapinsky · Post #314 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:25 pm

Worm Guts wrote:The question marks are legitimate, but I don't think there's a lot of sure things in this draft. I figure he's 7 ft and skilled, that's enough to give him a chance.

But in College he could only use that skill against shorter, less physical players.

Post #315 » by **The J Rocka** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:08 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:The question marks are legitimate, but I don't think there's a lot of sure things in this draft. I figure he's 7 ft and skilled, that's enough to give him a chance.

But in College he could only use that skill against shorter, less physical players.

The times he did go up against the big physical players in college, he looked weak all around.

Krapinsky · Post #316 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:11 pm

The J Rocka wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:The question marks are legitimate, but I don't think there's a lot of sure things in this draft. I figure he's 7 ft and skilled, that's enough to give him a chance.

But in College he could only use that skill against shorter, less physical players.

The times he did go up against the big physical players in college, he looked weak all around.

Precisely.

[RCG] · Post #317 » by **[RCG]** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:30 pm

How about Tony Snell at #26. Could be a solid defender/shooter at SG off the bench with good size.

Krapinsky · Post #318 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:37 pm

Interesting that DX sneakily put Len as it's #1 player on the Big Board.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

Devilzsidewalk · Post #319 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:48 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Interesting that DX sneakily put Len as it's #1 player on the Big Board.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

When's the last time a white center has been the #1 player in a draft, Bill Walton in '74? I'm just curious what kind of odds he'd be overcoming if he turned out to be the #1 player in this draft.

Krapinsky · Post #320 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:52 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Interesting that DX sneakily put Len as it's #1 player on the Big Board.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

When's the last time a white center has been the #1 player in a draft, Bill Walton in '74? I'm just curious what kind of odds he'd be overcoming if he turned out to be the #1 player in this draft.

Bogut went #1 in 2005, the year Deron Williams and CP3 went 3 and 4. Valanciunas was reportedly #1 on some boards.