#3 for Ilyasova being discussed

[dobrojim]

I admit to being amused by this thread and the one on the trade board. People are going insane, truly, about nothing.

We don't have a single published report saying the Wiz are exploring trading the pick, pursuing Ilyasova, anything like that. Nary a tweet from main guys on the NBA beat -- woj, Aldridge, Marc stein, mannix, etc. Nothing from Mike Lee or anyone local.

We've had a couple of tweeted (but not written -- I.e passing no editorial snuff) reports acknowledging a "rumor" of a potential trade from fringe personalities/writers in Milwaukee and Cleveland. And then we have an anonymous board mod (who I'm sure is a lovely fellow) saying "oh, there's something to this. I have sources on the inside."

So really, we have nothing. This seems to be a classic Internet-age rumor that has grown off of itself, but has little substance. Don't get me wrong. It's fun. But there is nothing I have read here or elsewhere that leads me to believe a trade is or ever was close.

Back to your regularly scheduled freakout!

Agreed Fish. In spite of whatever my feelings are about GMEG, I'm taking this with a huge
grain of salt.

[nate33]

So Ernie trades the Rashard Lewis expiring (and eating up all our potential cap room last season in the process) for Okafor & Ariza.

Meantime, we pass on Harden because were afraid to pay him, partly due to the $42 million in contracts we took on in the Okafor/Ariza deal.

And because we took the Okafor/Ariza deal, we took ourselves out of the running for either Ilyasova or Anderson when they were unrestricted free agents.

Now, we get lucky enough to get the 3rd pick in the draft following a bust of a season where we won 29 games, and were now hearing rumors of Grunfeld willing to trade the 3rd & Okafor for Illyasova, the guy we could have simply signed last year had we not traded for Okafor in the first place.

And people wonder why I always freak out about Ernie.

Ernie Grunfeld?

[montestewart]

Great series of posts, Dat2U. Really getting to the core of Wizards fan scheissegeist.

[TripleDouble]

We don't have a single published report saying the Wiz are exploring trading the pick, pursuing Ilyasova, anything like that. Nary a tweet from main guys on the NBA beat -- woj, Aldridge, Marc stein, mannix, etc. Nothing from Mike Lee or anyone local.

Agreed Fish. In spite of whatever my feelings are about GMEG, I'm taking this with a huge
grain of salt.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=9369


FYI - for those with insider you can verify it for those who don't have it. That said if there is a report about it, the deal is already likely dead otherwise I doubt it would be leaked to ESPN. Typically the only "inside" stuff that comes out early is either by people who don't really matter (i.e. message board posters who have no large scale credibility), or the teams have already moved on and have allowed their sources to confirm.

[closg00]

ESPN is just late reporting the rumor, there was nothing new in the ESPN piece.

[WizarDynasty]

After further analysis, the 9th plus Derrick Williams is a little bit better than ilya and 15th as long as i was confident Wizards were going to select Adams with the 9th. Were case scenario is that we have Shabazz and Derrick Williams.
I think D.Williams has great body control with the basketball and he can consistently finish through contact. He has absolutely horrible lower body strength so he can't play the 4 full time but he is better than any of our bench bigs so that is an upgrade. Getting Adams to develop as our bigman of the future is huge because Okafor is going to want an extension on his salary which kills any chances for us with him and Nene eating up half the cap even though they have never won anything prior to coming to the wizards. Never carried a team deep in the playoffs on their backs. So I don't see Okafor being here after a year and having Adams becomes even more important because this team has big fat zero for above average rebounding, shotblocking, post presence, with a high motor in one person on this team.
I don't see Bennett lasting until 9th. I would rather have Derrick Williams and Adams, than Ilyasova and D-league talent at the 15th spot. The wolves are a much better trading partner than the Bucks.

[TripleDouble]

ESPN is just late reporting the rumor, there was nothing new in the ESPN piece.

Agreed - just addressing the quote "We don't have a single published report saying the Wiz are exploring trading the pick, pursuing Ilyasova, or anything like that". I will edit my post to make it more clear - for further clarity Ford thinks the Wizards are sitting pretty with the #3 pick, but ESPN had their reporter confirm that talks took place. They guessed it was about 50/50 which means it is more likely 90/10 not happening.

[LyricalRico]

I'd be more interested in something like 3+38+54+Vesely+Seraphin+Singleton for Ryan Anderson and #6. Probably a long shot, though.

[fishercob]

We don't have a single published report saying the Wiz are exploring trading the pick, pursuing Ilyasova, anything like that. Nary a tweet from main guys on the NBA beat -- woj, Aldridge, Marc stein, mannix, etc. Nothing from Mike Lee or anyone local.

Agreed Fish. In spite of whatever my feelings are about GMEG, I'm taking this with a huge
grain of salt.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=9369


FYI - for those with insider you can verify it for those who don't have it. That said if there is a report about it, the deal is already likely dead otherwise I doubt it would be leaked to ESPN. Typically the only "inside" stuff that comes out early is either by people who don't really matter (i.e. message board posters who have no large scale credibility), or the teams have already moved on and have allowed their sources to confirm.

To be clear, this is just ESPN insider repeating the Woelful/Amico report that there was a rumor. There's no new reporting here and theres still nothing in print that would require an editorial review. There have been tweets and radio discussions about the existence of a rumor, but still nothing saying that discussions actually took place -- certainly nothing saying anyone has made an actual offer.

That world is so competitive. If there was anything here, don't you think we'd have heard more from Woj, Aldridge, Mannix, Broussardd, Mike Lee, etc? We have nothing.

[sfam]

Agreed Fish. In spite of whatever my feelings are about GMEG, I'm taking this with a huge
grain of salt.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=9369


FYI - for those with insider you can verify it for those who don't have it. That said if there is a report about it, the deal is already likely dead otherwise I doubt it would be leaked to ESPN. Typically the only "inside" stuff that comes out early is either by people who don't really matter (i.e. message board posters who have no large scale credibility), or the teams have already moved on and have allowed their sources to confirm.

To be clear, this is just ESPN insider repeating the Woelful/Amico report that there was a rumor. There's no new reporting here and theres still nothing in print that would require an editorial review. There have been tweets and radio discussions about the existence of a rumor, but still nothing saying that discussions actually took place -- certainly nothing saying anyone has made an actual offer.

That world is so competitive. If there was anything here, don't you think we'd have heard more from Woj, Aldridge, Mannix, Broussardd, Mike Lee, etc? We have nothing.

So the jist of this thread is we've concluded there's nothing to this rumor but it angers us because it sounds like something EG would do, and that Lebron jipped Birdman out of the MVP this year.

[jtrinaldi]

You guys really under-estimate how good ERS is. He is better than Porter will ever be. Have fun with the 3 pick in one of the worst years to have a good pick in the draft.

[TripleDouble]

Agreed Fish. In spite of whatever my feelings are about GMEG, I'm taking this with a huge
grain of salt.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=9369


FYI - for those with insider you can verify it for those who don't have it. That said if there is a report about it, the deal is already likely dead otherwise I doubt it would be leaked to ESPN. Typically the only "inside" stuff that comes out early is either by people who don't really matter (i.e. message board posters who have no large scale credibility), or the teams have already moved on and have allowed their sources to confirm.

To be clear, this is just ESPN insider repeating the Woelful/Amico report that there was a rumor. There's no new reporting here and theres still nothing in print that would require an editorial review. There have been tweets and radio discussions about the existence of a rumor, but still nothing saying that discussions actually took place -- certainly nothing saying anyone has made an actual offer.

That world is so competitive. If there was anything here, don't you think we'd have heard more from Woj, Aldridge, Mannix, Broussardd, Mike Lee, etc? We have nothing.

So you only accept confirmation that a team has "explored" something from "Woj, Aldridge, Mannix, Broussardd, Mike Lee"? Interesting criteria, but under those guidelines, than yes this is only a message board thing.

[Dat2U]

You guys really under-estimate how good ERS is. He is better than Porter will ever be. Have fun with the 3 pick in one of the worst years to have a good pick in the draft.

Um, ok whatever you say boss.

[fishercob]

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=9369


FYI - for those with insider you can verify it for those who don't have it. That said if there is a report about it, the deal is already likely dead otherwise I doubt it would be leaked to ESPN. Typically the only "inside" stuff that comes out early is either by people who don't really matter (i.e. message board posters who have no large scale credibility), or the teams have already moved on and have allowed their sources to confirm.

To be clear, this is just ESPN insider repeating the Woelful/Amico report that there was a rumor. There's no new reporting here and theres still nothing in print that would require an editorial review. There have been tweets and radio discussions about the existence of a rumor, but still nothing saying that discussions actually took place -- certainly nothing saying anyone has made an actual offer.

That world is so competitive. If there was anything here, don't you think we'd have heard more from Woj, Aldridge, Mannix, Broussardd, Mike Lee, etc? We have nothing.

So you only accept confirmation that a team has "explored" something from "Woj, Aldridge, Mannix, Broussardd, Mike Lee"? Interesting criteria, but under those guidelines, than yes this is only a message board thing.

It's not about what I accept. When is the last time that NBA transaction news got reported and wasn't then "confirmed" by half a dozen other journalists within 15 minutes, let alone two days? If there was something here, more guys would be on it.

[FAH1223]

You guys really under-estimate how good ERS is. He is better than Porter will ever be. Have fun with the 3 pick in one of the worst years to have a good pick in the draft.

nah, he's inconsistent

I'd only do this trade if we got #15 and the unprotected 2014 first round pick

They'd have to take Vesley/Booker

[nuposse04]

You guys really under-estimate how good ERS is. He is better than Porter will ever be. Have fun with the 3 pick in one of the worst years to have a good pick in the draft.

Is this an attempt at frustrated trolling case the trade doesn't come into fruition? Porter is already far more athletic then Ersan, in the most difficult conference in collegiate basketball, with no real other consistent options on his team lead his team a regular season conference title.

He has bust potential for sure....but I see his floor as Batum...who is absolutely a starting caliber 3 on a good team. Ersan is a 6th man off the bench...he has very little utility outside of small ball. There are enough girthy young 4/5s where he would be exposed defensively. Not to mention Ariza/Okafor expire and Porter would be on a rookie contract so we could use our capspace to focus on getting something that fits a larger NEED, Ersan would be a luxury, but he is by no means a Need. Still a good player though

[TripleDouble]

It's not about what I accept. When is the last time that NBA transaction news got reported and wasn't then "confirmed" by half a dozen other journalists within 15 minutes, let alone two days? If there was something here, more guys would be on it.

Lol, I think you way overestimated how little national media cares about anything Bucks related, but I do understand your thought process even if I don't agree.

[Ruzious]

Fwiw, on the Milwaukee side - some have speculated they use some of their cap space on Millsap - if they trade Ilyasova. So the trade would help them increase their talent level. Bottom line - they'd have to include the 15th pick in the trade - if they really are discussing a trade. And there will be a solid center prospect available with that pick.

[paulpressey25]

Lol, I think you way overestimated how little national media cares about anything Bucks related, but I do understand your thought process even if I don't agree.

This.

And not to slight the Wizards, but not a lot of national interest there either. Woj is more concerned with LeBron's shin splints than a Wizards-Bucks trade.

Because we have no national media following our team and really no local media, our RealGm board has taken on the mantle of doing the reporting for us. Collectively our board many times gets the inside scoop on a deal anywhere from three hours to three days before things take place. We were talking about Monta Ellis 3-year extension about three weeks ago, before it got leaked out last week.

In a story you guys would appreciate, Ernie G's inlaws are from Milwaukee. One time we had one of his relatives post on our board about three days beforehand that Jamaal Magloire was being dealt from the Bucks to Portland.

I have no doubt that these Ersan/#3 discussions took place. The fact no national writers have confirmed this could actually indicate discussions are still going on. Or they are dead. We will find out as we get closer to draft time. The fact you want to know is what date does Okafor have to formally decline his ETO? On that date, Okafor then has a contract eligible to be traded. For Monta Ellis his ETO date is June 20th. The date is usually set by the team and player in the original contract.

[JWizmentality]

You guys really under-estimate how good ERS is. He is better than Porter will ever be. Have fun with the 3 pick in one of the worst years to have a good pick in the draft.

So your thinking is that we just don't know what we could get out of Porter and we should take Ersan because hey, that's 17pts and whatever else. It's a sure thing.

But when you ask Bucks fans why they want to get rid of such a commodity, it's because they believe they have a gem in Henson and want him to start...even though they don't know what they'll get out of him?

This is like some awesome Jedi mind trick.