Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LV - NBA Draft Edition)

[shadrock]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/after-chri ... 32081.html

[shadrock]

Its happening:

Clippers Seek Sterling's Approval For Rivers-Garnett Deal
Jun 20, 2013 2:34 AM EDT


The Los Angeles Clippers are seeking approval from ownership to complete a deal for Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett.

The hope is that Donald Sterling will approve the financial commitment and finalize the agreement on Thursday.

The Clippers will send DeAndre Jordan and two first round picks to the Celtics, according to sources.

Rivers is accepting the job assuming Chris Paul will re-sign with the Clippers.

"Doc is taking the job to coach Chris Paul," a league source told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday. "This isn't happening if Chris planned to leave."

Paul communicated to the Clippers that hiring Rivers and trading for Garnett was essential to him re-signing in July. Paul's pushing for the deal forced the Clippers to reengage with the Celtics on Wednesday.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sport

[pogiro]

Bledsoe averaged 15/5/5 last year with Paul out. If he improves that to even 16/6/6, along with his defence, hes a mileeeee better than afflalo.

Don't get me wrong, I want him here. But if he were better than Afflalo, then the Clippers would be getting more than Afflalo. Bledsoe is still a player that needs to be developed. He has all the tools, but it's not a given that he can be a good starting PG in this league.

And what I mean by better than Afflalo, is that the two offers that we've heard are centered around Afflalo or Granger coming off an injury. In an era where PGs are a premium, it goes to show you where he is still with his game.

[MagicFan32]

AA and Nicholson for just Bledsoe? that would be the first hennigan misstep in his tenure here

His first misstep was resigning Jameer.

Absolute head scratcher (for the amount he overpaid) this was. He could have had him for at least 2.0-2.5 million less per year.

Also, why the inclusion of Harrington still confuses the hell out of me to this day.

You have absolutely no idea if that is true or not, i don't know why you always get into this argument about his contract, when what he makes is literally irrelevant given how short the contract is and given our current situation it doesn't affect anything we do over the next few years.

and as by league rules every team is required to reach the salary floor, the magic just may not be ready to make any big financial commitments just yet, so overpaying someone on a short term deal is not going to hurt the team at all

[rcklsscognition]

You don't HAVE to reach the salary floor do you? It's just a financial penalty, right?

[magic111]

This will hurt out chances of getting Bledsoe anytime soon. I heard in one of these reports that doc wants to coach Bledsoe and did not want him in the deal.

[rcklsscognition]

This will hurt out chances of getting Bledsoe anytime soon. I heard in one of these reports that doc wants to coach Bledsoe and did not want him in the deal.

Not sure if wasn't just some random rumor that he wanted to coach a PG, and that PG was CP3, could have just as easily been misrumored, that's not a word.

[jgosche]

I mean, I guess he's a beanpole when you compare him to our current PF, but so is everybody else.

[Skin]

I just had a terrible idea. What if LA trades Bledsoe to Dallas for the 13th pick? Double whammy against us.

[cedric76]

I just had a terrible idea. What if LA trades Bledsoe to Dallas for the 13th pick? Double whammy against us.

Bledsoe has more value than the 13th

Same as AA, people who undervalue AA r blind

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[shadrock]

Bledsoe averaged 15/5/5 last year with Paul out. If he improves that to even 16/6/6, along with his defence, hes a mileeeee better than afflalo.

Don't get me wrong, I want him here. But if he were better than Afflalo, then the Clippers would be getting more than Afflalo. Bledsoe is still a player that needs to be developed. He has all the tools, but it's not a given that he can be a good starting PG in this league.

And what I mean by better than Afflalo, is that the two offers that we've heard are centered around Afflalo or Granger coming off an injury. In an era where PGs are a premium, it goes to show you where he is still with his game.

Its sll about leverage though. They may be able to get more than afflalo on a level playing field, but every gm knows the clippers are desperate because if they dont trade him, they will lose him for nothing next offseason. Compoind that with the fact that they are absolutely in win now now now mode and the could get are gone. Afflalo is a better player now and has experience, which works for them.

[shadrock]

His first misstep was resigning Jameer.

Absolute head scratcher (for the amount he overpaid) this was. He could have had him for at least 2.0-2.5 million less per year.

Also, why the inclusion of Harrington still confuses the hell out of me to this day.

You have absolutely no idea if that is true or not, i don't know why you always get into this argument about his contract, when what he makes is literally irrelevant given how short the contract is and given our current situation it doesn't affect anything we do over the next few years.

and as by league rules every team is required to reach the salary floor, the magic just may not be ready to make any big financial commitments just yet, so overpaying someone on a short term deal is not going to hurt the team at all

Could not agree more...

[shadrock]

You don't HAVE to reach the salary floor do you? It's just a financial penalty, right?

No its a league requirement im pretty sure

[shadrock]

I mean, I guess he's a beanpole when you compare him to our current PF, but so is everybody else.

Random statement ftw!!! Lol

[Neon1]

You have absolutely no idea if that is true or not, i don't know why you always get into this argument about his contract, when what he makes is literally irrelevant given how short the contract is and given our current situation it doesn't affect anything we do over the next few years.

The market was set for PG's, Jameer was almost the last PG to sign. We signed Jameer for far over what the going rate was set at for PG's around the level of Jameer. Whether it hurts us long term or not isn't what the debate was about. Overpaying is overpaying. I am and have always been a "Jameer guy" on these boards, but he clearly paid the guy far over market value, and anybody not buring their head in the sand knew that the second the deal was announced. Point blank, He didn't have to pay him 8.6 whether it was two years + only 2 mill guaranteed or not.

and as by league rules every team is required to reach the salary floor, the magic just may not be ready to make any big financial commitments just yet, so overpaying someone on a short term deal is not going to hurt the team at all

We were FAR over the cap and still paying Gill (who doesn't effect cap, but does the bottom line), how does the salary floor even come into play?

[shadrock]

You have absolutely no idea if that is true or not, i don't know why you always get into this argument about his contract, when what he makes is literally irrelevant given how short the contract is and given our current situation it doesn't affect anything we do over the next few years.

The market was set for PG's, Jameer was almost the last PG to sign. We signed Jameer for far over what the going rate was set at for PG's around the level of Jameer. Whether it hurts us long term or not isn't what the debate was about. Overpaying is overpaying. I am and have always been a "Jameer guy" on these boards, but he clearly paid the guy far over market value, and anybody not buring their head in the sand knew that the second the deal was announced. Point blank, He didn't have to pay him 8.6 whether it was two years + only 2 mill guaranteed or not.

Ofcourse its about the longterm impacts. What was being said is that the reason he was paid 8 mil per was so we were only on the hook for two guaranteed years. If it was even 5 mil per season for 3 years, id be super pissed... 2 years is the key to it all

[MagicFan32]

You have absolutely no idea if that is true or not, i don't know why you always get into this argument about his contract, when what he makes is literally irrelevant given how short the contract is and given our current situation it doesn't affect anything we do over the next few years.

The market was set for PG's, Jameer was almost the last PG to sign. We signed Jameer for far over what the going rate was set at for PG's around the level of Jameer. Whether it hurts us long term or not isn't what the debate was about. Overpaying is overpaying. I am and have always been a "Jameer guy" on these boards, but he clearly paid the guy far over market value, and anybody not buring their head in the sand knew that the second the deal was announced. Point blank, He didn't have to pay him 8.6 whether it was two years + only 2 mill guaranteed or not.

the market was set for Sessions and Bayless because they are both backup point guards, Sessions absolutely killed his value with his play for the lakers. maybe that's market value for what a contender would pay for Jameer but the magic had to pay him more than anyone to keep him and without him this team is lost at PG

and as by league rules every team is required to reach the salary floor, the magic just may not be ready to make any big financial commitments just yet, so overpaying someone on a short term deal is not going to hurt the team at all

We were FAR over the cap and still paying Gill (who doesn't effect cap, but does the bottom line), how does the salary floor even come into play?

Yes we are now, but not next summer when alot of money comes off the books and we may still need jameer and may not be ready to spend alot of cash yet

[Whosurgaddy]

It kinda works out for afflalo. It gives a better chance to get a ring, and he will havea following there because he was born and raised i.n LA (compton) .

[Just Plain Mark]

Bledsoe averaged 15/5/5 last year with Paul out. If he improves that to even 16/6/6, along with his defence, hes a mileeeee better than afflalo.

Don't get me wrong, I want him here. But if he were better than Afflalo, then the Clippers would be getting more than Afflalo. Bledsoe is still a player that needs to be developed. He has all the tools, but it's not a given that he can be a good starting PG in this league.

And what I mean by better than Afflalo, is that the two offers that we've heard are centered around Afflalo or Granger coming off an injury. In an era where PGs are a premium, it goes to show you where he is still with his game.

Trades always have more components than just the talent of the players involved - you also have contract status, injuries, player preferences, cap situations, personality issues, etc.

You seem to be forgetting that Bledsoe's contract is expiring and the Clippers could lose him for nothing which, like the Magic dealing with Howard trades, dramatically reduces the Clippers' leverage. Additionally, the team getting Bledsoe will only have him for one year before having to decide how much to pay him so that also reduces his "value."

It also should be noted that everyone expects Bledsoe to want to start on a team and that won't happen on the Clippers with Chris Paul on the team so the Clippers' leverage is further reduced.

All in all, Afflalo isn't a bad get for them. Afflalo + Nicholson would be a very good deal for the Clippers and a tough one to swallow as a Magic fan.

[Blue_and_Whte]

With consistent playing time, which he would obviously get here, Bledsoe at the very least would give us what Jameer does with better size and defense. His outside shooting is a concern but he's young and can still improve.