Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[truwizfan4evr]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

I'm hoping there's some a little deception going on there. I like a lot of what Bennett brings but the team needs a player who's real grounded like an Otto Porter or Victor Oladipo. I think another talented, confident, young guy with his head on straight playing alongside Beal keeps Wall from growing too big of a head.

Bennett's not as mature a player as Porter or Oladipo.

And he has weight issues.

[hands11]

Im on the Erik Murphy train too, but we havent even had him in for workouts.

Only two days to go. And it cant get here soon enough. I want to know what kind of team we are going to have next year.

How do they address.

We need.

A long strong defensive center 6-11 to 7-0
A 3rd guard with handles.

I like Otto, but still not seeing him as a better fit then Burke or VO. I guess Otto would make sense if Webster can really back up at SG.

I saw someone post that Webster was more efficient at SG then SF. Where did you get the data on that ? I didn't believe that to be true. I thought he was better at SF.

So maybe they go Otto and Wolter/Pierre

Wall/Wolter or Pierre
Beal/Webster/Temple
Trevor A/Otto
Nene/Ves/Booker/AJ
Okafor/Kevin

Singleton, 2nd 2nd unless they can trade Singleton with the 2nd 2nd and move up.

Then you see how things go. Maybe Trevor A wants to still around. Maybe you move him. Still does nothing to address center though.

Spot on Hands but I would add a developmental pf to your list of long center and third guard with handles (and a decent outside shot.)

Might not be able to get all that done in one year. They have a good starting 5 when healthy plus Trevor A. They were 13-3. I like Otto, but it just seems like not enough progress by getting him. He just replaces Trevor A next year and he will only be in his 2nd year so still a baby. I honestly would rather just resign Trevor A if we can and address other needs.

Wall/Wolter or Pierre
Beal/VO/Temple
Webster/Trevor A or Trevor A/Webster if that makes Trevor A happy enough to stick around.
Nene/Ves/Booker/AJ
Okafor/Kevin

Singleton, 2nd 2nd unless they can trade Singleton with the 2nd 2nd and move up.

Or if you don't go Wolter or Pierre, you add Iverson 23 years old; 7'0"; 263 lbs or Jackie Carmichael


Wall/Price or better FA vet if you can find one.
Beal/VO/Temple
Webster/Trevor A or Trevor A/Webster if that makes Trevor A happy enough to still around.
Nene/Ves/Booker/AJ
Okafor/Kevin/Iverson

Singleton, 2nd 2nd unless they can trade Singleton with the 2nd 2nd and move up.

How is that not better? You have a beast defender who can hit open shots in VO. Maybe a baby Wade. You have AJ as a vet S4 and your monster 7-0 young player to help with length and younger legs. Ves gets his chance to redeem himself and show worth. Booker is rebounding utility. And you might be able to get Ryan Kelly for nothing. Send him to the DL.

Or you do the same with Burke and you have a legit 2nd PG and you can run Wall and him together with Wall at SG some. Then you don't even need Price or you run him as a back up SG where he is better.

[Rafael122]

If we can get MKG with our pick from this crummy draft I would be amazed. If we had it I would trade the #1 pick in this draft for him.

He can't shoot.

[JWizmentality]

If we can get MKG with our pick from this crummy draft I would be amazed. If we had it I would trade the #1 pick in this draft for him.

Ernie, is that you?

You so cray cray

[hands11]

I just wrote that I believe the Cleveland Cavaliers will likely take Nerlens Noel at No. 1. However, what happens to Noel if he doesn't go to Cleveland? Will he slide down the draft board? I don't think so. Sources close to the Orlando Magic told ESPN.com on Saturday that if the Cavs pass on Kentucky big man Nerlens Noel, the Magic are leaning strongly toward selecting him with the No. 2 pick in the draft.

-Chad Ford.

Damn you Orlando. Mclemore wants to play in Orlando!

CLE is very likely to trade that pick to Chicago.

[FAH1223]

I hope we don't take Bennett. I'd rather have any of the other bigs

[hands11]

I don't think you can get away with a solid defensive center with a guy like D-Will or Bennett as a starting 4. They literally have to be elite to make up for the deficiencies both of those players have defensively.

Hate all you want, but Bennett managed to post a Defensive Rating of 89.3 as a freshman, which is pretty damn good. Steven Adams' DRtg last year was 87, so slightly better than Bennett's. Yet Adams is seen as an elite defensive big man, but Bennett is perceived as very bad on defense. Makes NO sense. Larry Sanders posted a DRtg of 90.8 his junior year of college. Again, these stats have their flaws, but they're still worth noting.

From the chatter here, you'd think Bennett couldn't defend the hoop from a kindergartener with a kickball.

Do they also have Cheese Doodles ? I think he would likely do better chasing them down if they did.

[stevemcqueen1]

In the Irish stretch 4 section, my preference is Ryan Kelly. Like Murphy, he's rebounding deficient, but he's a very underrated defensive player, and his 9'2 standing reach gives him an advantage over most PF's. He's going to slide because of rebounding, injuries, and his near 15 body fat %. Kelly's not a great athlete, but he looks quicker than Murphy. Getting healthy and in shape could make Kelly a major bargain.

I think the team already has a rebounding deficiency. Beal and Wall are great rebounders for their position. Okafor and Booker are physical rebounders that can eat the defensive glass. Nene is maybe average. Every one else is a subpar rebounder for their position.

If we're looking for a role playing big, I'd rather get one with size that specializes in defense and rebounding rather than distance shooting.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jac ... ael-19449/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Col ... son-18752/

I've never seen Carmichael play, don't have a lot to say about him. But his numbers look good.

I did watch Iverson a couple times and was impressed. He doesn't seem to have much upside and I don't think he's as good as Dieng or Withey, but he has a place in the NBA and I wouldn't mind him in the second round at all. He's got an NBA body and he's tough and he does rebound. He's a classic bruiser who can wear opposing bigs out for stretches and give you six hard fouls.

[rockymac52]

I just wrote that I believe the Cleveland Cavaliers will likely take Nerlens Noel at No. 1. However, what happens to Noel if he doesn't go to Cleveland? Will he slide down the draft board? I don't think so. Sources close to the Orlando Magic told ESPN.com on Saturday that if the Cavs pass on Kentucky big man Nerlens Noel, the Magic are leaning strongly toward selecting him with the No. 2 pick in the draft.

-Chad Ford.

Damn you Orlando. Mclemore wants to play in Orlando!

CLE is very likely to trade that pick to Chicago.

?? Are you talking about the 1st overall pick? If so, where'd you hear that?

[Knighthonor]

How does MKG fit the Wizards? Makes no sense.

[stevemcqueen1]

If we can get MKG with our pick from this crummy draft I would be amazed. If we had it I would trade the #1 pick in this draft for him.

He can't shoot.

Yeah, he's a bad shooter. That's why I didn't totally buy into him last year. I don't think you put a poor shooter on the floor with Wall at the SF spot. You need a 3 ball shooter and floor spacer or else you're going to run into some of the problems that Chicago, Indiana, and Miami have run into. Especially in the postseason.

I like MKG a lot for most NBA teams. He's just not a great fit for us.

Gotta build a team. Can't aimlessly amass talent.

[hands11]

Interesting non-Deng commentary from http://www.grantland.com:

No matter what roles Wall or Beal played (both came off the bench for a few games), the Wizards posted a point differential of plus-4.84, the equivalent of a 55-win team over a full season. And though a 25-game stretch isn’t something Washington can hang its hat on, it’s certainly an encouraging sign. That trio, combined with Nene and Emeka Okafor, also combined to form the league's most effective five-man unit that played at least 140 minutes together, per NBA.com.

Unlike some of the more desperate teams, Washington doesn’t necessarily need to hit a home run at the top of the draft, but to break through from mid-standings irrelevance, the Wizards probably have to avoid coming up empty. If the team can get an impact player with the third pick while also finding a competent backup point guard with one of its second-round picks, the Wizards have the opportunity to completely change the course of their franchise. No pressure, right?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -nba-draft

This just made me realize something. I knew this before, but I guess this is the first time I'm really analyzing the potential implications...

So we have this lineup of Wall/Beal/Webster/Nene/Okafor that has been VERY VERY good. But, if we draft Porter (as most suspect), and re-sign Webster (as most suspect), how are the minutes divided? We've talked about this plenty before, and it's clear that there's a way to divide the minutes between Webster/Porter/Ariza, with all 3 players getting 20-26 MPG. But most of those scenarios involved Ariza/Porter sliding to be a small ball 4 at times, but mainly, for Webster to get most of his minutes as the backup SG.

Now, that works out, and makes sense, BUT, what does it mean for that killer starting lineup that we already have with Webster at the 3? Do we just abandon it? Do we only run with that group for 5-10 minutes per game tops? I'm concerned we'll just abandon that 5 man lineup for the most part, with Ariza/Porter subbing in there for Webster. That lineup should be pretty good too, although I don't think it will be AS GOOD as it was with Webster there instead spacing the floor and shooting lights out from the corner 3.

Worth considering...

I think drafting Porter is NOT the best move.

Draft Olynyk and Karasev instead.

Karasev will exceed all expectations. He might be better than Porter. Karasev won't disrupt continuity by running off Webster or contract year Ariza, because Karasev won't start immediately.

Olynyk is by FAR the most efficient post scorer. He will be a playoff scorer who brings Brad Miller/Luis Scola skill. Forget about athleticism--dude puts the ball in the basket!

In round 2 pick Wolters, Canaan, McCallum (I have a very good feeling that he's massively underrated, like Karasev) or Siva.

Otto Porter is a great prospect but I think Karasev with Olynyk in a trade down would be twice as good.

People who want Bennett should consider Olynyk's points in the paint at PF in the NBA.

Surg remind me of a Manu

Really quick release on that lefty. l like him. He is comfortable in his skin and seems really mature. Dad is a coach.

[tontoz]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

Charlotte has targeted Harrison Barnes of the Warriors as the player they would most like to acquire, but a straight-up offer of Kidd-Gilchrist would not be enough.

Wow

[TGW]

I'd rather have MKG than Barnes, but I'm not a GM so what do I know.

And I agree with Doc, Dat, and CCJ—Olynyk is going to be a good player in the NBA. He won't be dunking over anyone, but he'll definitely be out-hustling, out-maneuvering, and outsmarting his counterparts.

[Earth2Ted]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

Here is the relevant quote:

The reason the Bobcats braintrust of Rich Cho and owner Michael Jordan believe Porter will be available is because, SheridanHoops has learned from league sources, the Washington Wizards are determined to draft Anthony Bennett of UNLV with the No. 3 pick.

Are they saying
1) multiple league sources have the Wiz drafting Bennett, or
2) multiple league sources have MJ THINKING the Wiz draft Bennett?

I think the wording goes more toward 1), but it's ambiguous enough that if they're wrong and the Wiz go Porter, they can say they meant 2).

It's gotta be about a 80% chance of us getting Porter- makes too much sense not to happen. I would love to see us take a shot at one of the higher ceiling big men- but if I were GM and my job were on the line, I probably would go with Otto.

[hands11]

Damn you Orlando. Mclemore wants to play in Orlando!

CLE is very likely to trade that pick to Chicago.

?? Are you talking about the 1st overall pick? If so, where'd you hear that?

Radio

[AFM]

As I've always said, I would be very happy with Otto, but ecstatic with Bennett. Porter is just way too awkward for me. He doesn't look like a basketball player at all. Actually just the way he runs he doesnt look like much of an athlete. But I think he'll be a good 4th option for most of his career.
Either way, I'll probably be pretty happy whatever the outcome is. It would be really hard for EG to mess this up.

[nuposse04]

I think Porter's offensive ceiling is a bit underrated considering he was THE guy at G-Town and played on that woefully slow offensive style. I think it won't be too long before he average 15-6-3.5... and I could easily see him getting around 18-20 ppg if he works on his handles and strength. He's already a good shooter IMO. I think cerebral players end up lasting as effective players a lot longer in the league then guys with shear athleticism. I like bennett...I wouldn't be irate if we picked him...but the option is pretty clear for me.

[AFM]

There's no way he's going to get 20ppg. In a starting 5 with Wall, Beal, and Nene, he's the 4th option at best. 5th if Webster continues shooting the corner 3 at a ridiculous rate. I see him at 12 ppg to be honest.

[hands11]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

Here is the relevant quote:

The reason the Bobcats braintrust of Rich Cho and owner Michael Jordan believe Porter will be available is because, SheridanHoops has learned from league sources, the Washington Wizards are determined to draft Anthony Bennett of UNLV with the No. 3 pick.

Are they saying
1) multiple league sources have the Wiz drafting Bennett, or
2) multiple league sources have MJ THINKING the Wiz draft Bennett?

I think the wording goes more toward 1), but it's ambiguous enough that if they're wrong and the Wiz go Porter, they can say they meant 2).

It's gotta be about a 80% chance of us getting Porter- makes too much sense not to happen. I would love to see us take a shot at one of the higher ceiling big men- but if I were GM and my job were on the line, I probably would go with Otto.

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2013/6/25 ... rds-set-on

And Detroit is celebrating because they were afraid the Pistons would end up with him.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/6/25 ... on-wizards
Except here, it says they are talking Porter.