Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[nuposse04]

There's no way he's going to get 20ppg. In a starting 5 with Wall, Beal, and Nene, he's the 4th option at best. 5th if Webster continues shooting the corner 3 at a ridiculous rate. I see him at 12 ppg to be honest.

Lol so you essentially see him as Webster. I think Nene's average will continue to be around 13-16.

I don't necessarily want Wall to average 20+ either...I still see him going for 18...maybe 19...but possibly 10.5-12.0 assists once our offense becomes competent. I still think 3rd option is completely legitimate. He averaged 16 as the focal point at G-town in that slow ass defensive minded conference....His offensive production's floor should be Webster (maybe not as elite from 3 pt land).

[AFM]

Yes he averaged 16 as their best player. Is he a better offensive player than Beal and Wall? Nene? I don't think so.
I'm actually not saying don't draft him. He works great in our starting 5 BECAUSE he's a good 4th option and we already have Wall, Beal, and Nene.
The big problem is what happens when Wall is off the court? Our 2nd team is awful and I don't think Porter is good enough offensively to help that. I think Bennett is a better fit.

[Ruzious]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

I'm hoping there's some a little deception going on there. I like a lot of what Bennett brings but the team needs a player who's real grounded like an Otto Porter or Victor Oladipo. I think another talented, confident, young guy with his head on straight playing alongside Beal keeps Wall from growing too big of a head.

Bennett's not as mature a player as Porter or Oladipo.

That was what came to my mind. If they pick Bennett at 3, I'll be disappointed that they picked a guy at 3 that they could have gotten in a trade down, AND I'll also be disappointed that EG was transparent and failed miserably in playing GM poker.

[nuposse04]

Yes he averaged 16 as their best player. Is he a better offensive player than Beal and Wall? Nene? I don't think so.
I'm actually not saying don't draft him. He works great in our starting 5 BECAUSE he's a good 4th option and we already have Wall, Beal, and Nene.
The big problem is what happens when Wall is off the court? Our 2nd team is awful and I don't think Porter is good enough offensively to help that. I think Bennett is a better fit.

I think he could still give you production...the key here is having a good 2nd unit PG. He's also an underrated passer. He should give us more playmaking than Ariza/Webster, His utility goes up considerably more if he can gain good weight and operate against smaller SFs in the post...but I think that is 2-3 years away. He's a good cutter and with the way Nene passes the ball he would excel playing with him. I just think there are too many ways he can score to not end up with more than 16 a game a few years from now. He's probably a 8-12 ppg scorer in his rookie campaign.

[stevemcqueen1]

As I've always said, I would be very happy with Otto, but ecstatic with Bennett. Porter is just way too awkward for me. He doesn't look like a basketball player at all. Actually just the way he runs he doesnt look like much of an athlete. But I think he'll be a good 4th option for most of his career.
Either way, I'll probably be pretty happy whatever the outcome is. It would be really hard for EG to mess this up.

He could pick Len.

[Knighthonor]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

Charlotte has targeted Harrison Barnes of the Warriors as the player they would most like to acquire, but a straight-up offer of Kidd-Gilchrist would not be enough.

Wow

I told you all so. MkG was a bad pick. Like OP I believe people got too attached to players on certain teams, not from talent wise perspective ,but picked them off of pure emotional attachment .

[closg00]

It's officially crazy-talk time, we are not taking Bennett. Worst smokescreen ever.

[mhd]

Don't draft the next Tayshaun Prince. If you are forced to pick at 3, take Oladipo who will be the better player than Porter.

[LyricalRico]

Don't draft the next Tayshaun Prince. If you are forced to pick at 3, take Oladipo who will be the better player than Porter.

In his prime, Prince was a 14/5/3 guy that played great defense. Give him a better outside shot (which Porter has) and put him on a team that plays faster than Larry "4 corners" Brown (which the Wizards will), I think you could have seen a 17/6/5 guy.

I'd much rather have those numbers with good defense than a guy that scores 20+ppg but gives up just as much or more, which is what I'd expect from Bennett. Maybe you don't want to spend the #3 on a suped up version of Tayshaun Prince, but I don't want to spend it on an out of shape version of Antawn Jamison.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Don't draft the next Tayshaun Prince. If you are forced to pick at 3, take Oladipo who will be the better player than Porter.

Where do you play Oladipo?

[mhd]

Don't draft the next Tayshaun Prince. If you are forced to pick at 3, take Oladipo who will be the better player than Porter.

In his prime, Prince was a 14/5/3 guy that played great defense. Give him a better outside shot (which Porter has) and put him on a team that plays faster than Larry "4 corners" Brown (which the Wizards will), I think you could have seen a 17/6/5 guy.

I'd much rather have those numbers with good defense than a guy that scores 20+ppg but gives up just as much or more, which is what I'd expect from Bennett. Maybe you don't want to spend the #3 on a suped up version of Tayshaun Prince, but I don't want to spend it on an out of shape version of Antawn Jamison.

I'm not really a Bennett fan. I think Oladipo will be the better player than Porter is. Prince also was NBA ready from day 1 as he was a senior. Porter has got to put on weight. I just don't like his game. I'd rather shoot for the home run and, honestly, take Adams potentially in a trade down. He's the one cat who could be a monster. Maybe he's the next Drummond?

[Ruzious]

Yeah, Prince was really good - if your aim was to win basketball games - rather than accumulate a high scoring average.

[rockymac52]

Part of the problem with Bennett is that he is more of a 1 on 1 offensive player than a team player. Yes, he can shoot from 3 somewhat, so he can be a "stretch 4," but the problem is that he doesn't appear to be the type of player who knows how to play a team game, because he doesn't know and accept his role.

Bennett scores a lot in isolation, which is something that we have been trying to move away from (and the Spurs do this as well, just sayin'). We don't need four guys standing around watching another player try and take his defender 1 on 1. We're better off having a real team offensive scheme that emphasizes sharing the ball, spacing the floor, and making quick passes to keep the defense on their toes. Porter fits in with an offense like that perfectly. He accepts his role, he doesn't command the ball, he's an excellent passer, and he knows how to make good cuts to the hoop.

Meanwhile Bennett slows down the offense. He's very similar to Al Jefferson in this regard. Yes, he might be an efficient scorer, but he only scores when the ball is force fed to him, and he's given the opportunity to take his man 1 on 1. You don't see good teams doing things like that on offense, unless we're talking about a player like LeBron James. Bennett is not LeBron.

[mhd]

Yeah, Prince was really good - if your aim was to win basketball games - rather than accumulate a high scoring average.

Prince also has always had an underrated post game (that and being a lefty has its advantages as well). Maybe the comparison isn't as apt as its routinely made.

The Wiz desperately need a young big, and this draft is probably the last chance to do it. You can always find 3&D SF prospects. Oladipo is a team every GM wants in this draft. Trade down, get a ready-now player, and pick up the young big (be it Zeller, Adams, etc.)

[mhd]

Don't draft the next Tayshaun Prince. If you are forced to pick at 3, take Oladipo who will be the better player than Porter.

Where do you play Oladipo?

Most teams are going smaller and smaller. When you play the Bucks, just stick Beal on Mbah a Moute, etc. Oladipo can play SF (especially considering how most 3s like Lebron and Melo are really playing PF now).

[mhd]

Oh, and honestly, what is really seperating Porter, from say a guy like Tony Snell who has the same standing reach, better shooting numbers (slightly less percentage from 3, but way more attempts per game, Snell also shoots 7% better at the FT line)? Snell is the better athlete and will be available way later.

[DCZards]

Rockymac, you're making a lot of assumptions about the "type of player" Bennett will be. I think you have to give the kid a chance to play in the NBA before you can say with any certainty what he will or will not do. Bennett doesn't "accept his role." How in the hell do you know that?

I agree that the Zards should draft Porter over Bennett, but your typecasting of Bennett based on one year of college ball is not a very convincing argument against drafting him.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Oh, and honestly, what is really seperating Porter, from say a guy like Tony Snell who has the same standing reach, better shooting numbers (slightly less percentage from 3, but way more attempts per game, Snell also shoots 7% better at the FT line)? Snell is the better athlete and will be available way later.

Snell plays no defense. He's the type of player you forget is on the floor because he doesn't do a lot.

[gambitx777]

I think porter has a max potential of probably a Shawn Marion, I think porter will be much better than MKG, because porters offence really is not that bad and hes a better defender. You say hes not really great at any one thing, but I do not think his stats will take a dip i think i will stick the same or even get better.

No one is going to trade for Ves and his $4 million salary.

They will because he is basically expiring because he has a team option.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Don't draft the next Tayshaun Prince. If you are forced to pick at 3, take Oladipo who will be the better player than Porter.

Where do you play Oladipo?

Most teams are going smaller and smaller. When you play the Bucks, just stick Beal on Mbah a Moute, etc. Oladipo can play SF (especially considering how most 3s like Lebron and Melo are really playing PF now).

When they aren't playing the Bucks?

If the Wizards don't plan on going small for the majority of the season, I don't know the team can afford to take Oladipo at 3 with all the other options out there. I was really hopeful Oladipo's measurements would be crazy and he would have the size to play SF but he's undersized for the position.