Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII

[sfam]

...So for those they were upset they designed a team that gave Ves no good chance to succeed, they seem have a wide open slot for him this year. And while there will be plenty here that don't like that, if it works out, they would be a huge pay off turning a #6 pick from a bust to a worth something.

I wonder how they would line them up with what they have. Something like this could keep Nene and Okafor rested while giving Trevor A a role on the team. Obviously they can do Nene and Okafor together when they need more size and power. And slide Ves in a PF with Nene at center could work pretty well also.

Wall/Temple
Beal/Price/GRJ
Webster/Otto
Trevor A/Ves/Kevin/Booker
Nene/Okafor

Singleton, ??, ??

Are we looking at something like this with a battle for starting PF ?

Keep in mind, they did not get a S4 Wall wanted and Trevor A is about a close to it as they have They would spread the floor for Wall. Otto and Okafor in the second unit gives them defense and rebounding. Price and GRJ provide some outside shooting. One of Ves, Kevin or Booker should fit at PF depending on what you need. Kevin if you need more points. Ves is you need length and scrapitude.

Ves definitely has a chance to succeed here, assuming we don't use the MLE on the front court. But really we should use it there. Ernies kids haven't shown enough to rely on them going into the season. Having Ves, Booker and Singleton backing up Nene is not a playoff winning strategy. Sure, one of them may really break out, but this shouldn't be a risk you take. Unless we find a terrific backup PG to use the MLE on, its probably better to use it upfront and then to use the Biannual exception on the PG.

[Dark Faze]

Otto will be starting sooner rather than later, and it's not as much about talent as it is fit. Otto, Like Beal thrives in structured basketball. Webster and Ariza are guys that can generate offense off the bench without having good PG play or many good players on the court in general.

Ves? I don't know man. I just don't know. This is his third year which is a breakout year for most so I really hope he thrives.

[GhostsOfGil]

Next year, I think Wall Beal Webster will be more productive than Wall Beal Porter. Even if we think Porter is the better long term solution, it leaves us with no front court direction. Hate to beat a dead horse but I just can't get excited for this pick when we passed on someone with Noel's potential.

* Post draft, Chad Ford is reporting that there we're no reports of any long term knee issues with Noel. (Still reports coming out.)

[Dark Faze]

I don't know, I prefer Porter. We're going to kill the glass between Wall/Beal/Porter and the defense is going to be nasty. It's not like Porter can't shoot.

Agreed on Noel, I really wanted him.

Thing is though, I've said it before, it's not like we don't have ways to get frontcourt help in the future. The idea is to compete for the playoffs now and for our guys to learn how to win behind vets like Nene and Okafor, and try to get front court help by either picking one up in free agency when Nene/Okafor walks or drafting high upside bigs in the next few drafts.

I think the future is great.

[Ruzious]

The player I'd like to see the Zards bring to camp is NC State's Richard Howell. Not much of an offensive player, but a tough, team-oriented guy who rebounds like a beast and will leave it all on the floor.

Good choice. I'd rather give him a look than his teammate (and Wall's former teammate) CJ Leslie. Leslie's far more athletic, but it seemed like he's the same player now as he was as a frosh - didn't get strong enough for the 4 and didn't develop skills for the 3.

[rockymac52]

Leslie signed with the Knicks this morning :/

[truwizfan4evr]

Next year, I think Wall Beal Webster will be more productive than Wall Beal Porter. Even if we think Porter is the better long term solution, it leaves us with no front court direction. Hate to beat a dead horse but I just can't get excited for this pick when we passed on someone with Noel's potential.

* Post draft, Chad Ford is reporting that there we're no reports of any long term knee issues with Noel. (Still reports coming out.)

Will his game translate in the nba with his small frame? And can he score enough to stay out on the floor long enough to finish it?

[GhostsOfGil]

Thing is though, I've said it before, it's not like we don't have ways to get frontcourt help in the future. The idea is to compete for the playoffs now and for our guys to learn how to win behind vets like Nene and Okafor, and try to get front court help by either picking one up in free agency when Nene/Okafor walks or drafting high upside bigs in the next few drafts.

I guess my thinking is that we are already in playoff contention without Porter. My opinion is that a player like Noel puts us in a better position for the future without having to rely on trades or the FA (which is always a sucker's bet IMO).

[TheKingOfVa360]

Thing is though, I've said it before, it's not like we don't have ways to get frontcourt help in the future. The idea is to compete for the playoffs now and for our guys to learn how to win behind vets like Nene and Okafor, and try to get front court help by either picking one up in free agency when Nene/Okafor walks or drafting high upside bigs in the next few drafts.

I guess my thinking is that we are already in playoff contention without Porter. My opinion is that a player like Noel puts us in a better position for the future without having to rely on trades or the FA (which is always a sucker's bet IMO).

Noel is looking like a future bust, at best another Marcus Camby. Stop acting like we passed on Shaq jr. Noel couldn't score in college, has injury issues, and problems putting on weight. At best he will be an unhealthy Joakim Noah. The best part of Noel is his high steal rate because that always translate from college to the pros.


If you are upset about passing on Noel then you should be more upset about passing on Drummond for Beal. Drummond has way more upside than Noel.

[truwizfan4evr]

WASHINGTON, DC – The Washington Wizards selected Otto Porter (third overall) and acquired Glen Rice, Jr. (taken 35th overall by Philadelphia) in exchange for the 38th and 54th overall picks in tonight’s 2013 NBA Draft.

“Otto’s versatility, feel for the game and size fit in well with our team and combining him with John Wall and Bradley Beal gives us a trio of talented young players that we can continue to build around for years to come,” said Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld. “We’re very excited about what his addition means to both the short-term and long-term success of our franchise.”

Porter (6-8, 205) averaged 16.2 points, 7.5 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.8 steals while shooting .498 from the floor and .422 from three-point range to become the Big East Player of the Year and a First Team AP All-American as a sophomore at Georgetown last season. He scored in double figures 27 times, including eight games with at least 20 points, and tallied a career-high 33 points in a win at Syracuse. Porter was the only unanimous selection to the All-Big East Conference First Team and helped lead Georgetown to a No. 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament and a share of the Big East Regular Season Championship. For his career, Porter averaged 12.8 points, 7.1 rebounds, 2.1 assists and 1.5 steals in two seasons as a Hoya, shooting .498 (293-588) from the field, .751 (181-241) from the line and .355 (55-155) from behind the arc.

Rice (6-5, 206) played last season for the Rio Grande Valley Vipers of the NBA Development League, averaging 13.0 points and 6.2 rebounds while shooting .491 from the floor and .385 from three-point range in 42 regular season games. He improved his numbers in the postseason, averaging 25.0 points, 9.5 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 2.0 steals and 2.0 blocks to lead the Vipers to the D-League championship. Rice played three seasons at Georgia Tech, averaging 13.0 points and 4.8 rebounds as a junior before being suspended for the final six games of the season.

“We had Glen rated very high on our draft board due to his shooting ability and overall game,” said Grunfeld. “He was able to use his season in the D-League to show that his commitment to the game matched his talent and we’re confident that he will work hard to take advantage of this opportunity

[GhostsOfGil]

Thing is though, I've said it before, it's not like we don't have ways to get frontcourt help in the future. The idea is to compete for the playoffs now and for our guys to learn how to win behind vets like Nene and Okafor, and try to get front court help by either picking one up in free agency when Nene/Okafor walks or drafting high upside bigs in the next few drafts.

I guess my thinking is that we are already in playoff contention without Porter. My opinion is that a player like Noel puts us in a better position for the future without having to rely on trades or the FA (which is always a sucker's bet IMO).

Noel is looking like a future bust, at best another Marcus Camby. Stop acting like we passed on Shaq jr. Noel couldn't score in college, has injury issues, and problems putting on weight. At best he will be an unhealthy Joakim Noah. The best part of Noal is his high steal rate because that always translate from college to the pros.


If you are upset about passing on Noel then you should be more upset about passing on Drummond for Beal. Drummond has way more upside than Noel.

Who said I wasn't upset about passing on Drummond? I can swallow it because Beal turned out to be a fantastic younh player and I will do the same with Porter if he does as well. But please stop talking in certainties. No way of knowing Noel will bust. No way of knowing what his ceiling will be.

[Dark Faze]

Thing is though, I've said it before, it's not like we don't have ways to get frontcourt help in the future. The idea is to compete for the playoffs now and for our guys to learn how to win behind vets like Nene and Okafor, and try to get front court help by either picking one up in free agency when Nene/Okafor walks or drafting high upside bigs in the next few drafts.

I guess my thinking is that we are already in playoff contention without Porter. My opinion is that a player like Noel puts us in a better position for the future without having to rely on trades or the FA (which is always a sucker's bet IMO).

The problem is that Webster And Ariza might as well not be on the roster with how bad their chances of sticking around are. Ariza was already in trade scenarios last year and Ernie tried to pull the trigger. He'll probably either look to move him again or let him walk.

Webster? He's a walking timebomb. He WILL be injured again, just look at his history. And he's the type of player who can only produce when healthy. As soon as he tried to play through injury late in the season the dude shot .30% from deep.

[Liverbird]

We can't fix all our issues in one off season.

We still have 2 good and effective basketball players in the post. Do we need to find a young big outside Seraphin? Sure. A backup PG? Yup. But the Wiz, while potentially a playoff team next year, are not finished rebuilding.

The problem EG solved this year was depth at the wing positions. Assuming Webster resigns, we have our PG/SG/SF rotation set for the foreseeable future. A backup PG is easily attained. We have sufficient trade fodder that we can satisfy a short term need at PG or find that long term big.

The direction of this franchise is trending upwards IMO.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Who said I wasn't upset about passing on Drummond? I can swallow it because Beal turned out to be a fantastic younh player and I will do the same with Porter if he does as well. But please stop talking in certainties. No way of knowing Noel will bust. No way of knowing what his ceiling will be.

Now I understand your view point since you also wanted Drum. You like to swing for the fences. I'm just saying Noel has high bust potential. A rail thin guy, injury problems, red flagged by the Suns medical staff, and no offensive game. It wasn't like we passed on a can't miss prospect. I'm very confident Otto Porter will have a better career than Noel. Plus Noel will probably miss half of this season. Could be another Greg Oden.

[Dark Faze]

History of getting a young, nice upside big in the mid 1st is really good too:

Bigs that were taken after pick #14 that either are starters or could be

2010: Sanders
2011: Vucevic, Faried,
2012: Zeller, (Henson at 14)
2013: Dieng, Withey

So the chances aren't bad at all of getting a Nene/Okafor replacement with next years pick.

Bigs I'm expecting to be available at 15 or later next year:

Mitch McGary
Dario Saric
AJ Hammons

[GhostsOfGil]

Who said I wasn't upset about passing on Drummond? I can swallow it because Beal turned out to be a fantastic younh player and I will do the same with Porter if he does as well. But please stop talking in certainties. No way of knowing Noel will bust. No way of knowing what his ceiling will be.

Now I understand your view point since you also wanted Drum. You like to swing for the fences. I'm just saying Noel has high bust potential. A rail thin guy, injury problems, red flagged by the Suns medical staff, and no offensive game. It wasn't like we passed on a can't miss prospect. I'm very confident Otto Porter will have a better career than Noel. Plus Noel will probably miss half of this season. Could be another Greg Oden.

Just to clear things up. Beal was my guy. I had regrets about Drummond after the season started but I liked Beal all along. This year was the one year I thought Washington actually could swing for the fences with a guy like Noel. We'll have to just agree to disagree about his potential.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'd hate to lose Ariza. I think he's a big part of our defense. Would rather lose Webster any day of the week.

I wouldn't. Webster is a more reliable offensive player and he's a locker room leader. Ariza never seemed to totally buy in here, is a streaky shooter, and a shaky finisher that sometimes struggled to make open lay ups. He's a superior defender, but Porter and Webster are credible defenders and Porter has the ability to grow into an elite defender IMO.

I get the feeling Ariza would rather go back to the West Coast and compete for a starting job somewhere. Webster wants to be here and believes in what we're doing.

I think it would be best for both parties if we dealt Ariza out West soon. He gets his money from opting into his final year and he gets to play somewhere he wants and we clear out a temporary log jam and get something in return for it.

I wonder if the Lakers would be interested in some sort of deal for Pau Gasol?

[truwizfan4evr]

Who said I wasn't upset about passing on Drummond? I can swallow it because Beal turned out to be a fantastic younh player and I will do the same with Porter if he does as well. But please stop talking in certainties. No way of knowing Noel will bust. No way of knowing what his ceiling will be.

Now I understand your view point since you also wanted Drum. You like to swing for the fences. I'm just saying Noel has high bust potential. A rail thin guy, injury problems, red flagged by the Suns medical staff, and no offensive game. It wasn't like we passed on a can't miss prospect. I'm very confident Otto Porter will have a better career than Noel. Plus Noel will probably miss half of this season. Could be another Greg Oden.

good point

[Mizerooskie]

Any Caps fans on here?

If so, Noel weighs a pound more than Marcus Johansson. Think about that for a second before pining for him. Add 9 inches to Johanssson and ask him to play center in the NBA.

[stevemcqueen1]

The player I'd like to see the Zards bring to camp is NC State's Richard Howell. Not much of an offensive player, but a tough, team-oriented guy who rebounds like a beast and will leave it all on the floor.

I like him a lot too. Same role as Booker, but Booker hasn't been totally reliable. We've still got some rebounding issues.