LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

[TylerB]

There's a reason Boozer only plays 30 minutes per game in the playoffs. Thibs doesn't even want him on the floor half the time in the 4th quarter. That should tell you all you need to know.

If Aldridge played here he'd get the same minutes as Boozer if that. Atleast Boozer rebounds on the defensive end. Aldridge is a weak defender AND he doesn't rebound.

Let's be honest here. Aldridge is a better scorer than Boozer, does so with better field goal percentages in the playoffs. That's something this Bulls team needs, more scoring, more offense. Aldridge showed a penchant for just that at ages 23, 24, 25.

Boozer has shown the ability in the playoffs, as a Bull, to score as efficiently as Aldridge did in his playoff runs.

He's also a better defender than Boozer with better mobility to play in Thibs' defensive system, which will keep on the floor in the 4th quarters, unlike Boozer.

This is you just making stuff up, you don't know how good of a defender Aldridge is. He is a better shot blocker than Boozer but he is also much weaker, can't hold his ground, and is not a big effort guy. I've actually seen the Blazers play a lot, like I mentioned earlier there is a reason they were last in the NBA in points in the paint against.

You're not an Aldridge fan, that's fair. But Aldridge is younger than Boozer, a better scorer on better field goal percentage, as well as a better defender than Boozer. Aldridge also gets to the line more in his playoff career than Boozer with the Bulls. Aldridge's rebounding is mediocre, but it's more acceptable than Boozer's defensive lapses. Also, Aldridge is a better rebounder now than he was 5 years ago at 9 per game now.

Why do you keep making statements that have already been proven totally wrong? Aldridge is a better rebounder now? Thats nice, hes still a weak rebounder. Not mediocre, you called him mediocre. He is bad. 9 rebounds a game in 38 minutes or whatever he plays is bad. There are very few 6'11 starters who rebound at that kind of pace. Aldridge was 75th in the NBA in rebound rate among qualified player. Thats terrible, there is no argument for him being a mediocre rebounder, hes a bad rebounder.

And on top of this he still isn't a good defender, you can stop trying to make that some big edge for Aldridge.

[Polynice4Pippen]

I don't know if you know this but the stats are on-line. Either you don't understand stitistics or you're looking at different statistics. Either way, you're wrong.

One more time.

Aldridge career playoff averages (ages 23, 24, 25): 20/7/2/2, 46% from the field, 5 free throw attempts per game.

Boozer career playoff averages with the Bulls (ages 29, 30, 31): 14/10/2/0, 45% from the field, 3 free throw attempts per game.

it's much more instructive to use carlos's entire playoff career (age 25-31) due to sample sizing. and his career avg. per 36 is:

18/11 on 52% TS

aldridge's VERY limited playoff averages per 36 (3 losses in first round) are:

18/6 on 51% TS

both players have inferior numbers in the postseason, but i'm willing to throw out LMA's postseason failures due to small sample size

the only reasonable conclusion is that carlos boozer has indeed fared significantly less well in the postseason

Why do we care what Boozer did in Utah when he's had 3 playoff runs with the Bulls now? And why are we now using per 36 for Aldridge when he's playing over 40 minutes a game in the playoffs? Aldridge is a 20 ppg scorer in the regular AND the playoffs, that's as strong of a #2 scoring option as we can get to play alongside Derrick.

[KiLleRInStiNcT7]

I'm sorry I missed it what was the offer from the Bulls to Portland?

according to Ralph from the Bulls it was Mirotic Gibson and the cat pick

Hmm interesting.

[kuly1990]

and what is aldridge gonna say, i want to be traded, he probably said that he wants to be traded, just like we probably called teams, about Deng, but when things didnt happen, the best thing is to say, i dont want to be traded, and Deng is part of our team in future

[MalcolmXing]

and what is aldridge gonna say, i want to be traded, he probably said that he wants to be traded, just like we probably called teams, about Deng, but when things didnt happen, the best thing is to say, i dont want to be traded, and Deng is part of our team in future

Exactly..

[red222]

I'm sorry I missed it what was the offer from the Bulls to Portland?

according to Ralph from the Bulls it was Mirotic Gibson and the cat pick

if that's true and portland turned it down...thank you portland GM!

[dice]

Why do we care what Boozer did in Utah when he's had 3 playoff runs with the Bulls now?

because it's a small sample size in chicago. simple as that. you know what our sample size is with LMA as a bull? zero

And why are we now using per 36 for Aldridge when he's playing over 40 minutes a game in the playoffs?

you answered your own question

Aldridge is a 20 ppg scorer in the regular AND the playoffs, that's as strong of a #2 scoring option as we can get to play alongside Derrick.

incredibly simple minded. sadly, i think it's far and away the top rationale for those wanting him on this team so badly. PPG, PPG, PPG. give me the ball enough and i'll put up 20 PPG. and i didn't even play high school basketball

and also somehow thinking that selling the farm to get him here will make up for going with tyrus. it wouldn't. it would compound the error that we have already worked our way out of

[Polynice4Pippen]

There's a reason Boozer only plays 30 minutes per game in the playoffs. Thibs doesn't even want him on the floor half the time in the 4th quarter. That should tell you all you need to know.

If Aldridge played here he'd get the same minutes as Boozer if that. Atleast Boozer rebounds on the defensive end. Aldridge is a weak defender AND he doesn't rebound.

Let's be honest here. Aldridge is a better scorer than Boozer, does so with better field goal percentages in the playoffs. That's something this Bulls team needs, more scoring, more offense. Aldridge showed a penchant for just that at ages 23, 24, 25.

Boozer has shown the ability in the playoffs, as a Bull, to score as efficiently as Aldridge did in his playoff runs.

He's also a better defender than Boozer with better mobility to play in Thibs' defensive system, which will keep on the floor in the 4th quarters, unlike Boozer.

This is you just making stuff up, you don't know how good of a defender Aldridge is. He is a better shot blocker than Boozer but he is also much weaker, can't hold his ground, and is not a big effort guy. I've actually seen the Blazers play a lot, like I mentioned earlier there is a reason they were last in the NBA in points in the paint against.

You're not an Aldridge fan, that's fair. But Aldridge is younger than Boozer, a better scorer on better field goal percentage, as well as a better defender than Boozer. Aldridge also gets to the line more in his playoff career than Boozer with the Bulls. Aldridge's rebounding is mediocre, but it's more acceptable than Boozer's defensive lapses. Also, Aldridge is a better rebounder now than he was 5 years ago at 9 per game now.

Why do you keep making statements that have already been proven totally wrong? Aldridge is a better rebounder now? Thats nice, hes still a weak rebounder. Not mediocre, you called him mediocre. He is bad. 9 rebounds a game in 38 minutes or whatever he plays is bad. There are very few 6'11 starters who rebound at that kind of pace. Aldridge was 75th in the NBA in rebound rate among qualified player. Thats terrible, there is no argument for him being a mediocre rebounder, hes a bad rebounder.

And on top of this he still isn't a good defender, you can stop trying to make that some big edge for Aldridge.

1: I believe Aldridge would get more minutes here because he'd be providing us with more scoring than Boozer, something we desperately need, along with better defense. That is my opinion. Either way, you have no idea if Aldridge would get more minutes than Boozer. That is simply your opinion, not fact. We'll agree to disagree here.

2: Boozer's field goal percentage in the postseason with the Bulls is less than Aldridge's, his free throw attempts per game is less as well. Bulls need volume scoring, a second legit 20 ppg guy. Aldridge is that guy, Boozer with the Bulls hasn't been. Fact.

3: Aldridge moves his feet defensively MUCH BETTER than Boozer does. He has more length, more agility, covers more ground, which is what Thibs asks of his defensive bigs. He's also an actual shot blocking presence. Boozer has more muscle inside, but he's no kind of defensive deterrent. Any argument to the contrary is one I will not be participating in due to the utter ignorance of it. I'd be wiling to bet if Noah and Gibson and Thibs went to Portland they wouldn't be last in the league in giving up points in the paint.

4: His rebounding isn't what Boozer's is. But again, what are the Bulls needs? And let's not make it like Aldridge is Eddy Curry here. Aldridge was still 16th in the league in rebounding this season. He averaged more rebounds than Marc Gasol, David West, Roy Hibert. He averaged the same amount as Kenneth Faried and Al Jefferson. And yes, he's a better defender than Boozer.

I don't need to argue this anymore because I'm so certain of what would happen if Aldridge became a Bull and played alongside Derrick, Joakim and either Butler or Deng. I'll just sit back and enjoy it. The difference between Boozer and Aldridge offensively will be clear as day.

[dice]

according to Ralph from the Bulls it was Mirotic Gibson and the cat pick

if that's true and portland turned it down...thank you portland GM!

mirotic could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper), the cats pick could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper) and taj in my opinion is already better than aldridge (and much cheaper). no brainer

[jl342323]

Again Boozer is the only player on the Bulls who gets criticized for struggling in the playoffs when others get passes. Deng was brutally bad against Brooklyn before he was out. Noah has been bad versus Miami both times. DRose was terrible against Miami.

You are right, Boozer is a very inconsistent player in the playoffs, specifically with his scoring. But that really doesn't put him below Aldridge who has played very soft in his playoff appearances.

And by the way Boozer actually has had very nice playoff runs in his career and has put up 3 or 4 big games versus Miami and has had others along the way with the Bulls. People act like he lays an egg every night sometimes.

its very interesting that deng, boozer, and noah all produce worst numbers in the playoffs compared to the regular season under tom thibodeau. this tells me the motion offense that the bulls run doesnt work in the playoff setting where the defense is that much more intensified. add the fact that the bulls try to slow the pace down, it completely limits their chance to get on a decent offensive runs. they only get momentum when they make consecutive defensive stops. that isnt going to work in the playoffs, period.

playoffs stats:

boozer before coming to the bulls was a 20 and 12.5 player with ts% of 54 and per of 19.5 on 38.3 mpg
deng before thibs era was a 18 and 7 player with ts% of 54% and per of 17.7 on 37.8
noah before thibs era put up 12 and 13 with ts% of 59% and per of 18.3 on 38 mpg

under thibs:

boozer 14.1 and 9.7 player ts% of 50% and per of 14.9 on 33.5 mpg
deng 15.7 and 7.2 player ts% of 49% and per of 13.8 on 42.2 mpg
noah 10.1 and 9.9 with ts% of 50% and per of 17.9 on 33.5 mpg

lamarcus aldrigde will probably fall into this same category. aldridge can post up, but he is still a jumpshooting big man. and he has trouble rebounding the ball in the post season. (good rebounding sf like gerald wallace has better rebounding rate than LMA in the playoffs) LMA will have to adjust his style of play to fit into this defensive oriented squad. his offense will suffer b/c of it.

[dice]

no team has any real need for a mid-range jumpshooting big man unless he's really good at it. your horfords, your boshes, etc. aldridge does not fall into that category. and he's not particularly good at anything else either

/thread [yeah right]

[Polynice4Pippen]

Why do we care what Boozer did in Utah when he's had 3 playoff runs with the Bulls now?

because it's a small sample size in chicago. simple as that. you know what our sample size is with LMA as a bull? zero

And why are we now using per 36 for Aldridge when he's playing over 40 minutes a game in the playoffs?

you answered your own question

Aldridge is a 20 ppg scorer in the regular AND the playoffs, that's as strong of a #2 scoring option as we can get to play alongside Derrick.

incredibly simple minded. sadly, i think it's far and away the top rationale for those wanting him on this team so badly. PPG, PPG, PPG

and also somehow thinking that selling the farm to get him here will make up for going with tyrus. it wouldn't. it would compound the error that we have already worked our way out of

The farm is Derrick, Joakim, Thibs. Mirotic hasn't made a single basket for the Bulls. Neither has the Charlotte pick. Taj is a backup, a valuable backup, but nonetheless backup whose value isn't the same with an all-star starting in front of him. Deng would be replaced by Butler, or vice versa if Butler were traded. Boozer would be replaced by, well Aldridge.

Yes, the top rationale for wanting Aldridge is PPG, a second 20 ppg to play with Derrick. No point in arguing this anymore, the stats are the stats and can be interpreted any way we choose. Either we make the trade or we don't. If we do wind up with Aldridge though, along with Derrick and Joakim and Butler and maybe Deng too, I'm more than confident we'll finally have enough to take down Miami. I ain't got no worries.

[Clint Eastwood]

if that's true and portland turned it down...thank you portland GM!

mirotic could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper), the cats pick could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper) and taj in my opinion is already better than aldridge (and much cheaper). no brainer

Ok, I was feeling your logic about mirotic and cats pick, then you said taj is better than Aldridge? I hope we have no Portland fans mulling about because insane comments like this will be thrown back at us for years implying that bulls fans here are way too homeristic. I have to imagine that you are the only person on these boards that carries this opinion. We should conduct a pole on it. We might have the first shutout pole ever in real gm history. And I'm not an Aldridge lover. But I'd be fine acquiring him, though I won't include Noah or mirotic in a deal for him.

[dice]

The farm is Derrick, Joakim, Thibs

alright, how 'bout the farm system?

Taj is a backup, a valuable backup, but nonetheless backup whose value isn't the same with an all-star starting in front of him

which is why we should be starting taj!

Deng would be replaced by Butler

and butler would be replaced by...? you're just opening up a hole at one of our two wing positions if we trade one of those guys. there's no way around it

Yes, the top rationale for wanting Aldridge is PPG, a second 20 ppg to play with Derrick

which is simply silly. put boozer in for LMA in portland with the increased minutes and he could put up 20/10 like he did in utah. bring aldridge to the bulls and he'll get less minutes, less shots as the #2 and probably well under 20 points per game. it's that simple

so...trade for aldridge and you likely get a guy who will put up marginally better than boozer's numbers in exchange for valuable draft picks and one of our starting wings. OR we can keep a roster with 5 legit starters and those valuable draft picks. the decision should be obvious

[TylerB]

You are right polynice, Aldridge isn't Curry. Curry's career rebound% is 12.0 which is unbelievably bad....Aldridge in his playoff career is a solid....uh wait a second, he has been below 12.0 every year in the playoffs? He was under 10 one year?

Bulls don't need soft players who stand outside and shoot long 2 pointers. You can pretend Aldridge is some defensive wizard but hes weak and gets pushed around.

[dice]

mirotic could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper), the cats pick could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper) and taj in my opinion is already better than aldridge (and much cheaper). no brainer

Ok, I was feeling your logic about mirotic and cats pick, then you said taj is better than Aldridge? I hope we have no Portland fans mulling about because insane comments like this will be thrown back at us for years implying that bulls fans here are way too homeristic. I have to imagine that you are the only person on these boards that carries this opinion. We should conduct a pole on it. We might have the first shutout pole ever in real gm history. And I'm not an Aldridge lover. But I'd be fine acquiring him, but I won't include nah or mirotic.

taj's defense is not only good - it's elite. game changing. aldridge does nothing really well and is a poor rebounder. you simply have to consider both sides of the ball

[Pepe_Billete]

Warned for trolling.

[chadrucf]

mirotic could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper), the cats pick could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper) and taj in my opinion is already better than aldridge (and much cheaper). no brainer

Ok, I was feeling your logic about mirotic and cats pick, then you said taj is better than Aldridge? I hope we have no Portland fans mulling about because insane comments like this will be thrown back at us for years implying that bulls fans here are way too homeristic. I have to imagine that you are the only person on these boards that carries this opinion. We should conduct a pole on it. We might have the first shutout pole ever in real gm history. And I'm not an Aldridge lover. But I'd be fine acquiring him, but I won't include nah or mirotic.

taj's defense is not only good - it's elite. game changing. aldridge does nothing really well and is a poor rebounder. you simply have to consider both sides of the ball

Ironically, Gibson has both Boozer and Aldridge beat in FG%, TS% and EFG% in the playoffs. His per game and per 36 scoring sucks, but he's taking 5 less shots per 36 than Aldridge and 4 less shots per 36 than Boozer.

Maybe Gibson should shoot more.

[chadrucf]

taj's defense is not only good - it's elite. game changing. aldridge does nothing really well and is a poor rebounder. you simply have to consider both sides of the ball

que rico.

that's so funny meng.

you guys just make me laugh so hard.

Que lastima. Hay un troll. Adios.

[Polynice4Pippen]

The farm is Derrick, Joakim, Thibs

alright, how 'bout the farm system?

Taj is a backup, a valuable backup, but nonetheless backup whose value isn't the same with an all-star starting in front of him

which is why we should be starting taj!

Deng would be replaced by Butler

and butler would be replaced by...? you're just opening up a hole at one of our two wing positions if we trade one of those guys. there's no way around it

Yes, the top rationale for wanting Aldridge is PPG, a second 20 ppg to play with Derrick

which is simply silly. put boozer in for LMA in portland with the increased minutes and he could put up 20/10 like he did in utah. bring aldridge to the bulls and he'll get less minutes, less shots as the #2 and probably well under 20 points per game. it's that simple

so...trade for aldridge and you likely get a guy who will put up marginally better than boozer's numbers in exchange for valuable draft picks and one of our starting wings. OR we can keep a roster with 5 legit starters and those valuable draft picks. the decision should be obvious

Clearly it isn't. Not with our front office going hard after Aldridge. Get er done, Gar/Pax.