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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#501 » by Dat2U » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:57 pm

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fishercob wrote:You know, as a cheap reserve there would be worse signings. His usage went way down last year. He still shoots the ball well. He actually had a solid statistical season amid all that turmoil.

The downside is just the baggage/linkage to the bad old days -- and that I'd miss my friend Dat, who might just fling himself off a building if "El Capitawn" returned.



I bet Dat thought he was in the clear when the Cavs drafted Bennett. :lol:


After the shock had subsided, I admit I did have a sense of relief that Ernie couldn't pick another tweener. Now, I just got this sickening pit in my stomach.

Signing Jamison would cause me to knock a few off the win total.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#502 » by keynote » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:58 pm

We need a disciplinarian like Jamison to keep the boys in the locker room in check. ;)

Again, though: Jamison at the minimum is fine as a situational stretch 4 deep on the bench. He shouldn't be in the primary rotation, but as a Juwan Howard-like player-coach on the roster, I don't have a problem with it. He'd probably do this for a year or two, then transition into a front office or assistant coaching role.

So, the big question is: does Jamison expect rotation minutes at this point of his career?
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#503 » by FAH1223 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:12 pm

don't want Jamison

sure he is a decent rebounder, but he is a horrible defender, is older, and he doesn't shoot it particularly well from outside... he's a volume scorer

the great thing Jamison still does though is he cuts to the basket and gets layups but that's all.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#504 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:12 pm

On the Wizards he expects to be no less than sixth man would be my guess.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#505 » by pineappleheadindc » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:16 pm

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fishercob wrote:and that I'd miss my friend Dat, who might just fling himself off a building if "El Capitawn" returned.


:lol:

I could live with signing "The Great Leader of Men". His non-existent defense would be partially mitigated by Okafor (who, if I was the coach, would always be paired with Jamison - ALWAYS). On offense, he's a legitimate stretch-4 who still rebounds fairly well and makes smart basketball plays.



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It's been a while since I've been here. So for me, it's the first time I've seen Miller's spiffy Global Moderator badge.

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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#506 » by jivelikenice » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:16 pm

So assuming we re-sign Martell and get Jamison....we're then looking at a front court of:
SF- Otto, Webster, Ariza
PF- Nene, Jamison, Booker, Vesely, Singleton
C- Okafor, Seraphin.

and how exactly are we supposed to find enough PT for all three SFs? Ted has said they like a 14 man roster to allow for flexibility. A trade has to be in the works involving some of our front court pieces. Its just a ridiculous logjam of players with similar skillsets.....(In Ves, Booker, Singleton's case, a lack of skillset)
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#507 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:19 pm

Soup's Uncle wrote:I wouldn't mind Jamison for a bench offense guy. He can def score. And he's always been a high character guy. It should just be a one year, vet min deal. Anything more than that and we're getting fleeced.


I wouldn't mind him for the vet min also. Wall would get him easy shots all day and we need a stretch 4. The problem is I think Jamison would expect more minutes than he deserves and be flat out horrible on defense.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#508 » by keynote » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:21 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:On the Wizards he expects to be no less than sixth man would be my guess.


If Jamison expects 20 mpg, then I'm firmly against bringing him in, of course. The Wizards are re-signing Webster to be the primary scorer off the bench long term (at least once Otto takes over the starting position at the 3).

I guess I could hold my nose if Jamison were the 9th man - firmly behind Webster, FA 3rd guard, and Seraphin. Of course, that's also me holding out hope that Seraphin will have put in the work to get his career back on track. But, if that's the case, then as a 9th man, Jamison would only get spot minutes.

If Jamison becomes the first big off the bench, we're in trouble.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#509 » by Rafael122 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:22 pm

J Michael of CSN Washington said expect Temple back this week. So...Ernie must be doing one of the following:

Vet minimum to Temple.
Half of bi-annual exception to Jamison.
Half of MLE to Webster

Or maybe splitting the BAE on Temple and Jamison. IDK...a trade would have to be in the works then. Booker and Singleton are cheap enough that someone would want them for a pair of 2nd round picks.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#510 » by tontoz » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:25 pm

Dat2U wrote:Signing Jamison would cause me to knock a few off the win total.



Remember that he is taking minutes away from Singleton, Vesely and Booker (assuming he isn't hurt).
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#511 » by mhd » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:33 pm

Per Michael lee, Webster could agree today with wiz
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#512 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:33 pm

jivelikenice wrote:So assuming we re-sign Martell and get Jamison....we're then looking at a front court of:
SF- Otto, Webster, Ariza
PF- Nene, Jamison, Booker, Vesely, Singleton
C- Okafor, Seraphin.

and how exactly are we supposed to find enough PT for all three SFs? Ted has said they like a 14 man roster to allow for flexibility. A trade has to be in the works involving some of our front court pieces. Its just a ridiculous logjam of players with similar skillsets.....(In Ves, Booker, Singleton's case, a lack of skillset)


They are in danger of upsetting the good chemistry from last season. There are not enough minutes to go around.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#513 » by Rafael122 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:36 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:So assuming we re-sign Martell and get Jamison....we're then looking at a front court of:
SF- Otto, Webster, Ariza
PF- Nene, Jamison, Booker, Vesely, Singleton
C- Okafor, Seraphin.

and how exactly are we supposed to find enough PT for all three SFs? Ted has said they like a 14 man roster to allow for flexibility. A trade has to be in the works involving some of our front court pieces. Its just a ridiculous logjam of players with similar skillsets.....(In Ves, Booker, Singleton's case, a lack of skillset)


They are in danger of upsetting the good chemistry from last season.


CCJ - I disagree. Ariza started a few games for us, flip him with Webster and there doesn't seem to be a huge drop off. Assuming these signings will come to fruition, all they're doing is trying to strengthen the bench. For some reason though, Ernie is focusing on forwards more than guards when it should be the exact opposite.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#514 » by Dat2U » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:37 pm

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Dat2U wrote:Signing Jamison would cause me to knock a few off the win total.



Remember that he is taking minutes away from Singleton, Vesely and Booker (assuming he isn't hurt).


Booker is better player at this stage of his career. Taking away minutes from Singleton & Vesely is good, except those 2 shouldn't be getting any minutes in the first place.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#515 » by verbal8 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:37 pm

If either Temple or Jamison was signed to more than the Vet minimum, it is a bad deal. The BAE isn't terribly high but it would be a waste to use it on either of those two.

Webster hopefully is for a portion of the MLE(just under 1/2 would be great). He is a decent player, but the Wizards don't have an urgent need and the market looks pretty flooded with decent wing players.

I think moving Singleton for an imaginary 2nd round pick(top 59 protection) would be fine IMO. Booker it might be worth seeing if he can stay healthy or at least hold out for a real pick.

Rafael122 wrote:J Michael of CSN Washington said expect Temple back this week. So...Ernie must be doing one of the following:

Vet minimum to Temple.
Half of bi-annual exception to Jamison.
Half of MLE to Webster

Or maybe splitting the BAE on Temple and Jamison. IDK...a trade would have to be in the works then. Booker and Singleton are cheap enough that someone would want them for a pair of 2nd round picks.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#516 » by Deivy202 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:38 pm

SMH what are we gonna do in free agency . And Jamison I wouldn't mind at all .
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#517 » by fishercob » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:39 pm

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fishercob wrote:You know, as a cheap reserve there would be worse signings. His usage went way down last year. He still shoots the ball well. He actually had a solid statistical season amid all that turmoil.

The downside is just the baggage/linkage to the bad old days -- and that I'd miss my friend Dat, who might just fling himself off a building if "El Capitawn" returned.


Your right, there could be worst signings like Javaris Crittenton or Gilbert Arenas. :cry:


I should know better then to ever try to make you feel better about something -- especially this -- but....

Jamison would surely be here on a cheap, short-term deal. He'd undoubtedly come off the bench.

PLaying in a reduced role last year, he was pretty decent! His season tied for his 3rd best season in WS/48, and second-best in ORtg, while being his lowest usage of his career. His TS% was the second best of his career and his 3pt% (36.1) was his nearly tied for his second best.

Basically, no part of his game fell off a cliff or close. If he's willing to be a backup and a great team guy, he CAN help the Wizards. He's a better player than Chris Copeland, though not quite as much of a specialist.

So if he's willing to be a 15-20 mpg, never complain, to be a mentor, to deal with DNP-CD's as the situation warrants, I am fine with bringing him back.

If not, I'm not fine. But I think he is, so I think I'm fine.

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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#518 » by Dat2U » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:39 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:So assuming we re-sign Martell and get Jamison....we're then looking at a front court of:
SF- Otto, Webster, Ariza
PF- Nene, Jamison, Booker, Vesely, Singleton
C- Okafor, Seraphin.

and how exactly are we supposed to find enough PT for all three SFs? Ted has said they like a 14 man roster to allow for flexibility. A trade has to be in the works involving some of our front court pieces. Its just a ridiculous logjam of players with similar skillsets.....(In Ves, Booker, Singleton's case, a lack of skillset)


They are in danger of upsetting the good chemistry from last season. There are not enough minutes to go around.


Yep, God forbid we don't want to mess up that 29-53 chemistry from last year. :lol:
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#519 » by Dat2U » Mon Jul 1, 2013 7:11 pm

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Dat2U wrote:
fishercob wrote:You know, as a cheap reserve there would be worse signings. His usage went way down last year. He still shoots the ball well. He actually had a solid statistical season amid all that turmoil.

The downside is just the baggage/linkage to the bad old days -- and that I'd miss my friend Dat, who might just fling himself off a building if "El Capitawn" returned.


Your right, there could be worst signings like Javaris Crittenton or Gilbert Arenas. :cry:


I should know better then to every try to make you feel better about something, but....

Jamison would surely be here on a cheap, short-term deal. He'd undoubtedly come off the bench.

PLaying in a reduced role last year, he was pretty decent! His season tied for his 3rd best season in WS/48, and second-best in ORtg, while being his lowest usage of his career. His TS% was the second best of his career and his 3pt% (36.1) was his nearly tied for his second best.

Basically, no part of his game fell off a cliff or close. If he's willing to be a backup and a great team guy, he CAN help the Wizards. He's a better player than Chris Copeland, though not quite as much of a specialist.

So if he's willing to be a 15-20 mpg, never complain, to be a mentor, to deal with DNP-CD's as the situation warrants, I am fine with bringing him back.

If not, I'm not fine. But I think he is, so I think I'm fine.

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Regarding Jamison, on offense you may be right, no part of his offensive toolbox has clearly declined, partly because he used so little athleticism to begin with. His offensive success was much more about skill, timing, awareness and a quick release. Defensively however, he's always been terrible. And that side of the ball, he's only getting worse. He's arguably the least effective defender in the league. SynergySports continually ranks him as one of the worst defenders in the league and he really can't be hidden. Simply because IMO, the effort is never ever there.

I don't buy he's a great team guy. He's not. I've watched him very closely throughout his career and I think he's a selfish guy that's smart and well spoken who says all the right things but on the court he's got two sides to him. One is the aggressive scorer always looking his opportunities who can contribute on the boards and the other is the laidback defender who's stuck in quicksand and often casually throws a hand up towards a shooter as if that's some marker of defensive effort.

He's gotten away with it for years, the few times he got benched for his defense, he'd throw the biggest fits on the bench. Every once in a while, you'd see an inspired or mad Jamison, utilize his quick hands for once on defense and make a play or two until the anger wore off. I specifically remember his first season in DC where Eddie benched him (and Haywood) early in the year for his play and lack of D, only to come back with actual intensity and effort on D for about 2 solid games before he got comfortable again and returned to form.

So I don't buy the whole 'mentor', 'great role model' talk related to Jamison. He's a fake IMO. If Wittman doesn't give him enough burn, he'll start bitching. If Wittman is about his word (and I think he is), he'll personally glue Jamison to the bench himself once he sees his lack of effort on D.

There are so many other directions to go in rather than bringing back the past. To me this just reeks of organizational laziness.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

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