LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

Tay · Post #1421 » by **Tay** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:07 am

Ralphb07 wrote:I don't think Boozer will be on the team if we got LMA

I'd take Leonard and start him

Rose, Butler, Deng, LMA and Leonard starting with Kirk, Dunleavy, Gibson and whatever you net for the Booz.

Obviously if you can get a better C then Leonard you do it, but worst case is you start him.

Do we amnesty Boozer?

ryan44 · Post #1422 » by **ryan44** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:08 am

KobeDwightPau wrote:you give up noah? I would do it if it was boozer and butler. Keep deng and go 4 that ring

So...how drunk do we need to get Portland's FO before they accept Boozer and Butler for LMA?

MrSparkle · Post #1423 » by **MrSparkle** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:08 am

Jimmy is the deal-killer... I wouldn't do it with him.

Reason why you can't spend too much on LA: once Noah goes, you need to find a center, and you need to essentially dump Boozer, which are 2 costly moves. You can play LA/Booze but that'd be a very **** defensive frontline. Guys like Splitter are making $9M per year, Jordan and McGee are making bit more, Hibbert and Marc are basically making the max... that is a costly position. We wouldn't have Lebron and Wade to pull the small ball theatrics off. So you hunt for a center, but what are your remaining trade assets? Chicago's late 1sts? Deng's expiring? Teague? You can trade for a Gortat, but no doubt the center position becomes a problem.

Plus, the incoming Mirotic isn't a C; he's a PF. You have to at some point dump or amnesty Boozer, and you're losing a flawed but productive starter for nothing but cap relief.

Basically, how do you get LA with some combo of Boozer, Taj, Deng and the shoddy 1st picks we have? Answer is you don't. :-?

I mean, I'd consider Booze/Taj/Jimmy/Char.1st for Aldridge/Matthews/Freeland... helps us win now... but we have an excellent but expensive starting 5 with a very crappy bench.

Rose Kirk Teague
Matthews Dunleavy
Deng Snell
Aldridge Thomas Freeland
Noah Nazr

With Miami being a powerhouse in its prime, do you really go all in for it now? Jimmy/Char.1st/Taj/cap-space look better come 2014.

Red Larrivee · Post #1424 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:09 am

chadrucf wrote:There is more to offense than isolation scoring.

Anything short of LeBron James and Kevin Durant, and you're not going to find the perfect combination.

Aldridge, despite the efficiency, is a very good offensive player.

Jimmy Forums · Post #1425 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:09 am

chadrucf wrote:
The Force. wrote:So Noah's a #2 now? Just making sure.

Second option on offense? No.
Second best player on a championship team? Sure.

You almost make it sound like this is a factually-based argument. There's nothing to that.

ryannik09 · Post #1426 » by **ryannik09** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:09 am

No way do I give up Noah for LMA. But this article by KC shows that LMA is trying to force is way here which is good. Eventually Portland is going to have to accept that they aren't going to get fair value for him and since he wants Chicago they will have to ship him here. It might be this summer or it might be next summer but the longer Portland waits the less they are going to get.

Chitownbulls · Post #1427 » by **Chitownbulls** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:10 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:
chadrucf wrote:
The Force. wrote:So Noah's a #2 now? Just making sure.

Second option on offense? No.
Second best player on a championship team? Sure.

Come on now, seriously? I mean, I love Noah, but this is ridiculous.

Exactly

Like I said, I love Noah as much as the next guy but he's not untouchable especially with the injury history an the minutes likely to go down

Jimmy Forums · Post #1428 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:10 am

chadrucf wrote:There is more to offense than isolation scoring.

Very good.

Isolation scoring is a huge need for our offense. We need a 2nd person who can do it. What don't you get?

Post #1429 » by **HomoSapien** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:10 am

The Force. wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
ryan44 wrote:Miami, and the rest of the NBA. Yes, you might not need Noah against the Heat, but you might need him to get to the Heat. Look at the Spurs shelling out money for Splitter. He was worthless against Miami, but he played a big role in getting them there in the first place.

Just because Splitter was sitting, doesn't mean that SAS was playing with five small forwards. Tim Duncan was in.

Also Hibbert showed us how advantageous a capable center is against the Heat.

True, but even with a dominant center they still lost due to a lack of scoring - which is our main problem. If you can't trade baskets w/ Miami, you have no chance of beating them.

The Spurs were literally missed free-throws away from winning an NBA championship in game 6. And in game 7, Tim Duncan wasn't the problem, it was Manu. Had the Heat lost, all we'd hear about is how Miami needed to get bigger.

Also, Tyson Chandler was pretty instrumental for Dallas when they beat the Heat. Going small might work in bursts, but you're playing into Miami's game plan by doing that. You'll never have wing players better than LeBron James. Instead, your best chance is out muscling their bigs and controlling the glass so that James and Wade can't fast break.

Red Larrivee · Post #1430 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:11 am

ryannik09 wrote:No way do I give up Noah for LMA. But this article by KC shows that LMA is trying to force is way here which is good. Eventually Portland is going to have to accept that they aren't going to get fair value for him and since he wants Chicago they will have to ship him here. It might be this summer or it might be next summer but the longer Portland waits the less they are going to get.

Portland doesn't have to do anything. There was a report that said Aldridge would be willing to play for quite a few other teams too (Dallas, Houston, LA). Plus, he's under contract with no player option, so Portland has leverage right now. They could trade him to Charlotte if they wanted.

CalilLove89 · Post #1431 » by **CalilLove89** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:12 am

Noah is our fourth option.

LMA would be 1b or 2 for us.

That is a big offensive upgrade.

musiqsoulchild · Post #1432 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:14 am

Jimmy Forums wrote:
chadrucf wrote:
The Force. wrote:So Noah's a #2 now? Just making sure.

Second option on offense? No.
Second best player on a championship team? Sure.

You almost make it sound like this is a factually-based argument. There's nothing to that.

What are your facts that show otherwise?

CalilLove89 · Post #1433 » by **CalilLove89** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:15 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:
chadrucf wrote:
Second option on offense? No.
Second best player on a championship team? Sure.

You almost make it sound like this is a factually-based argument. There's nothing to that.

What are your facts that show otherwise?

2010-2013

Bulls have zero rings.

Jimmy Forums · Post #1434 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:16 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:
chadrucf wrote:
Second option on offense? No.
Second best player on a championship team? Sure.

You almost make it sound like this is a factually-based argument. There's nothing to that.

What are your facts that show otherwise?

Joakim Noah has never ever been the #2 on a championship team...

tre11408 · Post #1435 » by **tre11408** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:17 am

CalilLove89 wrote:Noah is our fourth option.

LMA would be 1b or 2 for us.

That is a big offensive upgrade.

And an ever bigger defensive downgrade.

KobeDwightPau · Post #1436 » by **KobeDwightPau** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:17 am

ryan44 wrote:
KobeDwightPau wrote:you give up noah? I would do it if it was boozer and butler. Keep deng and go 4 that ring

So...how drunk do we need to get Portland's FO before they accept Boozer and Butler for LMA?

I don't know, get some blackmail.

Red Larrivee · Post #1437 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:17 am

If Noah is the #2 option on any championship team, the #1 must be one of the greatest players of all time.

Noah might do things that make him arguably the 2nd most valuable player, but it doesn't make him a go-to guy to be a #2 option on a title team.

KobeDwightPau · Post #1438 » by **KobeDwightPau** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:18 am

tre11408 wrote:
CalilLove89 wrote:Noah is our fourth option.

LMA would be 1b or 2 for us.

That is a big offensive upgrade.

And an ever bigger defensive downgrade.

Noah is a beast and leader on the floor. You can't replace that.

musiqsoulchild · Post #1439 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:18 am

Jimmy Forums wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:You almost make it sound like this is a factually-based argument. There's nothing to that.

What are your facts that show otherwise?

Joakim Noah has never ever been the #2 on a championship team...

By that logic, Rose has not been the #1 on a championship team either.

This is getting ridiculous. Noah is our #2. You dont trade him unless its a clear upgrade. LMA is hardly that.

bullsnewdynasty · Post #1440 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:18 am

You can make all the efficiency or stat comparison arguments you want between Aldridge and other players. But the reality of the matter is that you need guys who can step up in crunch time and get you a bucket. Boozer and Noah are simply not reliable enough to do that. This is about the playoffs, not games against the Bobcats in January. Aldridge is a guy who you can throw the ball to in the 4th quarter against the Heat and expect to get a quality look. It's about being able to score in the half court, being able to make tough shots. I've truly seen enough of Boozer's disappearing act. Noah is GREAT at what he does, don't get me wrong, but teams are still giving up that tornado all day long. 40% shooting just isn't gonna get it done. The Bulls have to think long and hard about this. Maybe try to hold onto Butler and substitute picks, but let's not regret not making this move once we get to the playoffs and we're pining for more scoring yet again.