Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

[BeesWax]

I don't know whether to be happy or royally pissed about this signing. He's undoubtedly the best big we've ever ha had an will be amazing for Kemba, but at the cost of Wiggins? Randle? We likely give up the 11th pick to Chicago this year. Yuck.

You're giving Jefferson too much credit. He's been on a number of bad teams before. Unless Walker and Kidd-Gilchrist make huge jumps, they won't be a playoff team.

People keep saying they would rather sign free agents next year after the draft, but there's no guarantee you'll get a player as good as Jefferson. He's willing to sign with you next week, you can't turn it down.

You are right they will be like the 9th or 10th team in the east. So now fans whine about not making the playoffs and we get a bad pick in the draft and maybe our pick goes to Chicago. This could not have been a worse move.

[YamiRain]

I don't know how to feel about this

[Nanogeek]

So we've either already given up on Zeller or we've given up on Biyombo. My guess is its probably the latter.

This is the scenario I was worried about and have posted about on here before. The Bobcats have to overpay a player to get them to sign here. We should have traded for players on existing deals. Now we've committed 25% of our cap space to a guy who thinks defense is helping the other team score quickly so you can get back on offense.

AND we've hurt ourselves in the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes.

Its almost funny how this franchise seems to always be able to screw itself.

[Liver_Pooty]

So we've either already given up on Zeller or we've given up on Biyombo. My guess is its probably the latter.

This is the scenario I was worried about and have posted about on here before. The Bobcats have to overpay a player to get them to sign here. We should have traded for players on existing deals. Now we've committed 25% of our cap space to a guy who thinks defense is helping the other team score quickly so you can get back on offense.

AND we've hurt ourselves in the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes.

Its almost funny how this franchise seems to always be able to screw itself.

Haven't given up on Biyombo. He can come off the bench to backup the 4 or 5 spot until hes more suited to be an actual starter at the NBA level. Its what he should have been doing the past two years anyway.

[BeesWax]

Yeah, a 28 year old center that will average close to 20/10 for us on a 41 million 3 year deal is so terrible....

Anyone see what Tiago Splitter got? Big men are always overpaid. Its just the nature of the beast.

So because someone else overpaid Splitter we should completely abandon our plans and over pay a guy who is just good enough to get us to maybe 9th or 10th in the east. Now we are a worse treadmill team than we ever have been. Not good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to get a good pick in the draft. This is the worst move this team could make. It shows they have no clue what they are doing and are caving to whiny fans who have no vision and no idea what it takes to build a franchise. This is just terrible.

What is your definition of a treadmill team? A treadmill team is a team that has absolutely maxed out its potential. Do you think Walker, Henderson, MKG, Zeller, Biyombo have maxed out their potential? No, me neither. People on here talk about wanting to trade for Rudy freaking Gay and such where we would actually have to give up assets, but we sign a guy out right at a position that is by far our weakest and people get upset. Getting Parker, Wiggins, Randle, whomever is a crap shoot. We have been horrible the past 2 years and not received the number 1 pick. I still think we will have our pick in the 8-10 range, and we are the complete opposite of a treadmill team.

You stunt Biyombo's growth with the addition of Jefferson who I don't want BB listening to at all since Jefferson is so lazy on defense. MKG would have benefited greatly from the extra touches a hole like Al creates and same for Zeller. Since neither he or Al can defend their positions we can't afford to play them together. So now we are good enough to lose our pick by picking up a player who will serve no real purpose to developing our team for the future. That is the definition of a treadmill team. Making moves that don't make you good and prevent you from getting better. Stunting the growth of your young players while not improving your team enough to be a winner. I did not want Gay either I wanted to stand pat and let the young guys get another year of monster playing time so we can develop them as much as possible. Instead will kill our young guys work and kill our chances at a good pick. Woo Hoo what a waste and for nothing but to appease a whiny fan base.

[BeesWax]

So we've either already given up on Zeller or we've given up on Biyombo. My guess is its probably the latter.

This is the scenario I was worried about and have posted about on here before. The Bobcats have to overpay a player to get them to sign here. We should have traded for players on existing deals. Now we've committed 25% of our cap space to a guy who thinks defense is helping the other team score quickly so you can get back on offense.

AND we've hurt ourselves in the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes.

Its almost funny how this franchise seems to always be able to screw itself.

Haven't given up on Biyombo. He can come off the bench to backup the 4 or 5 spot until hes more suited to be an actual starter at the NBA level. Its what he should have been doing the past two years anyway.

No he should play every chance you can get him in there. If you truly want to develop a winner and use youth to do it they need to be on the court the most they can be.

[James Gatz]

Per Zach Lowe:

That deal does fit the short length/big dollars model a lot of GMs like, but Al isn't worth big $, period. He makes more than Horford, Noah.
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Then a simpler one: Don't pay Al Jefferson $14M per season.

Oh, they haven't screwed themselves. My first tweet said it was not damaging in any big sense. Just crazy $

[Nanogeek]

So we've either already given up on Zeller or we've given up on Biyombo. My guess is its probably the latter.

This is the scenario I was worried about and have posted about on here before. The Bobcats have to overpay a player to get them to sign here. We should have traded for players on existing deals. Now we've committed 25% of our cap space to a guy who thinks defense is helping the other team score quickly so you can get back on offense.

AND we've hurt ourselves in the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes.

Its almost funny how this franchise seems to always be able to screw itself.

Haven't given up on Biyombo. He can come off the bench to backup the 4 or 5 spot until hes more suited to be an actual starter at the NBA level. Its what he should have been doing the past two years anyway.

Actually the last thing I'm worried about in this deal is whether we've given up on Biyombo but rather the other points I made - we overpaid for the guy and we've screwed ourselves in 2014. We did the same thing the last time we had cap space. We wasted it on Jason Richardson.

[Liver_Pooty]

So we've either already given up on Zeller or we've given up on Biyombo. My guess is its probably the latter.

This is the scenario I was worried about and have posted about on here before. The Bobcats have to overpay a player to get them to sign here. We should have traded for players on existing deals. Now we've committed 25% of our cap space to a guy who thinks defense is helping the other team score quickly so you can get back on offense.

AND we've hurt ourselves in the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes.

Its almost funny how this franchise seems to always be able to screw itself.

Haven't given up on Biyombo. He can come off the bench to backup the 4 or 5 spot until hes more suited to be an actual starter at the NBA level. Its what he should have been doing the past two years anyway.

No he should play every chance you can get him in there. If you truly want to develop a winner and use youth to do it they need to be on the court the most they can be.

So you would rather play Bismack Biyombo instead of Al Jefferson? Biyombo has a lot to learn, and Ewing on top of Jefferson could teach him. This fan base has gotten to use to losing. We are still going to lose next year and keep our draft pick while our young kids actually learn how to play with a center that is capable of putting the ball in the basket. Walker and Henderson are probably throwing a party right now.

[freakon0mics]

Just heard about the news. Well..........,3 years with an option on the third year is a lot better than 4 years with the same yearly amount. Not too happy or too mad about this, but this signing makes this team more legit than it has been in the past. He gives us a legit low post scorer and another frontcourt body/6 fouls to put out there on the court. We now an offense that can somewhat match our hustle and heart.

[jtrinaldi]

Not trying to bash you guys,but I think you overpaid for him about 10 million dollars.

[Liver_Pooty]

So we've either already given up on Zeller or we've given up on Biyombo. My guess is its probably the latter.

This is the scenario I was worried about and have posted about on here before. The Bobcats have to overpay a player to get them to sign here. We should have traded for players on existing deals. Now we've committed 25% of our cap space to a guy who thinks defense is helping the other team score quickly so you can get back on offense.

AND we've hurt ourselves in the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes.

Its almost funny how this franchise seems to always be able to screw itself.

Haven't given up on Biyombo. He can come off the bench to backup the 4 or 5 spot until hes more suited to be an actual starter at the NBA level. Its what he should have been doing the past two years anyway.

Actually the last thing I'm worried about in this deal is whether we've given up on Biyombo but rather the other points I made - we overpaid for the guy and we've screwed ourselves in 2014. We did the same thing the last time we had cap space. We wasted it on Jason Richardson.

Ben Gordons 13 million dollar expiring comes off the books next season, so we will have cap space again next season as well. Also Jeffersons contract comes off the books in time to extend our young guys so its not like we married to the thing for 20 years.

[DY_nasty]

Why are people acting like we have depth inside or something?

[freakon0mics]

Tyrus and McBob are officially no longer Bobcats/Hornets after this signing as well.

[James Gatz]

The fact it's only a 3 year deal is a saving grace to me.

[Nanogeek]

Ben Gordons 13 million dollar expiring comes off the books next season, so we will have cap space again next season as well. Also Jeffersons contract comes off the books in time to extend our young guys so its not like we married to the thing for 20 years.

There was no need to overpay for AJ. And we've hurt our chances in the 2014 draft. I know there will be Bobcats fans that cheer anything the Bobcats do but the plain and simple truth is this was a dumb move for numerous reasons.

[BeesWax]

Haven't given up on Biyombo. He can come off the bench to backup the 4 or 5 spot until hes more suited to be an actual starter at the NBA level. Its what he should have been doing the past two years anyway.

No he should play every chance you can get him in there. If you truly want to develop a winner and use youth to do it they need to be on the court the most they can be.

So you would rather play Bismack Biyombo instead of Al Jefferson? Biyombo has a lot to learn, and Ewing on top of Jefferson could teach him. This fan base has gotten to use to losing. We are still going to lose next year and keep our draft pick while our young kids actually learn how to play with a center that is capable of putting the ball in the basket. Walker and Henderson are probably throwing a party right now.

Yes I would because I saw improvement from him over the course of last year. Rather than watching a black hole who might as well not even go to the other end of the court. So now we have a waste of space in the middle making our team just good enough to not improve at all after wasting a pick this summer on another guy who could not currently defend his position if his life depended on it. We will actually be a worse defensive team this year which was really hard to do. If Walker is throwing a party right now it is because he hasn't looked at how this will effect his future and kill this team for years to come. Jason Richardson 2.0. So very sad people are so short sighted when it comes to building a winner if you don't think ahead you do this crap and get stuck on the level we are.

[thruthefire]

Not trying to bash you guys,but I think you overpaid for him about 10 million dollars.

I think everyone agrees that it was an overpay. But it doesn't hurt the Bobcats to do so.

Now, OTOH, it could very well put us back into purgatory...

[Liver_Pooty]

Tyrus and McBob are officially no longer Bobcats/Hornets after this signing as well.

Thomas is gone, Williams is gone, Mullens is gone. That might leave enough room to sign McRoberts assuming as sign Henderson. Remains to be seen.

[BeesWax]

Not trying to bash you guys,but I think you overpaid for him about 10 million dollars.

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