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The NBA Break @TheNBABreak
Although talks are simply exploratory, Mark Cuban contacted several teams today about possible trade scenarios
Two teams in particular I can confirm are the Bucks and the Magic. Plan B for the Mavericks in full effect.
D12VCMagic wrote:jgosche wrote:Wait, where did this Hennigan doubt come from?
We are the clear winners of a 4-team trade, we got production out of Vucevic and Harris that nobody expected, both Harkless, O'Quinn, and Nicholson all exceded expectations their rookie years, and we still haven't seen the complete returns of the Howard trade.
We were not in position to surge for a championship when he was hired, and we're still not. But making assumptions about what Hennigan could have done is silly, we don't know why he's made certain decisions. I'm judging him off what I've seen on the court, and thats a team that was full of aging veterans turned into a ton of high quality young players. We won't have a concrete example of Hennigans competence for another couple years, but based off of what I've seen so far, I'd say he's done a damn good job.
I think people are just frustrated with a boring offseason. But compared to the previous drama, boring is not a bad thing at all. We'll be back to a level where we make moves in the offseason to win, but now we're just planning.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 37s
RT @gswscribe: Jarrett Jack is signing a four-year, $25 million deal with Cleveland, source says
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Jarrett Jack is signing a four-year, $25 million deal with Cleveland, source says
MagicTownBaller wrote:The NBA Break @TheNBABreak
Although talks are simply exploratory, Mark Cuban contacted several teams today about possible trade scenarios
Two teams in particular I can confirm are the Bucks and the Magic. Plan B for the Mavericks in full effect.
Take with a grain of salt. Only reason in posting is because a bunch of posters posted stuff from him yesterday, so yeah, with a grain of salt.
MagicTownBaller wrote:The NBA Break @TheNBABreak
Although talks are simply exploratory, Mark Cuban contacted several teams today about possible trade scenarios
Two teams in particular I can confirm are the Bucks and the Magic. Plan B for the Mavericks in full effect.
Take with a grain of salt. Only reason in posting is because a bunch of posters posted stuff from him yesterday, so yeah, with a grain of salt.
rcklsscognition wrote:Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 37s
RT @gswscribe: Jarrett Jack is signing a four-year, $25 million deal with Cleveland, source says
Lots of teams getting better. Prime time to tank. Someone else to the Bobcats could really help our cause.
rcklsscognition wrote:Afflalo or Davis to Dallas seem like fits. But what do we get back? Larkin + Ledo + future picks?
rcklsscognition wrote:Afflalo or Davis to Dallas seem like fits. But what do we get back? Larkin + Ledo + future picks?
LBPTarHeel27 wrote:rcklsscognition wrote:I don't have blind faith in Henny like a lot of people here do. I like to at least harbor some doubt and use it to research things and form my own opinions on things that happen to the Magic.
You make it seem like having faith in Hennigan and having an opinion have to be separate. I too like to do my research and look over the fine details. Looking at all of these details from each move he has made so far...I love what I see. The guy isn't perfect, but he has certainly made the right moves at pretty much every crossroad, so far.I'm not too concerned this way or that way with what he's done so far. We are the worst team in the league. I can't say we won the Dwight trade because a) we are the worst team in the league and b) it got us #2 pick in a weak draft. Maybe 3 years from now, after we draft a stud in 2014, some guys make some improvements, and we are in the ECF again, I'll say we won.
There is a big difference between being the team that came out with the best end of a trade and winning games. Especially when you are talking about a team unloaded an unhappy superstar for young players and picks. I understand that some fans are against the idea of having down seasons to rebuild...but that is the right way to do it. That is why we didn't want Bynum. Forget his injuries...if we had taken him, he would certainly win us some games. However, we would never be anything more than mediocre and worse than we ever were with Dwight. Our record was an outside detail that was caused by the trade. It shouldn't be factored in to the trade itself. The trade itself...
LA: Nothing to show for it, Dwight & Earl Clark gone...along with the picks they traded.
Philly: Bynum is gone, Richardson is sticking around but not helping anything, and they lost a pick and great young talent
Denver: Iguodala is gone and they also traded away a pick
Orlando: Still own 3 future 1sts, 1 future 2nd, Aaron Afflalo, Nik Vucevic, Moe Harkless, and Al Harrington
How can you possibly say that this deal did not work out in our favor...far above any other team. Even if we didn't win, you have to say that those three teams all lost majorly.The one little thing that is starting to worry me is Henny's adoration for hard workers and tendency to take a hard worker over a guy with more natural abilities. It seems that he tends to make the safe pick. The positives or negatives from this methodology haven't surfaced yet. I worry that if you continue taking hard workers with lower ceilings you might never accumulate enough pure talent to win anything important. If we're going to win a championship, we're going to need a hard worker with pure out of this world skills. I don't see Henny taking a move like that in free agency, if there are ever going to be players like that on the market, so I only hope we have the opportunity to draft someone that is a hard worker and has pure skills. It scares me that given a situation where you have a hard worker with potential to be a starter or a player with potential to be a superstar with questionable work ethic, you choose the hard worker everytime, and end up with a team of hardworking guys that just aren't that amazing. Yes, it's nice because you rarely bust, but you also really never win it big.
That is how you build a franchise from the ground up. Going in to last season we had a new GM, a new Head Coach, and a completely new roster. If you go with the purely talented guys, you end up like Sacramento. A lot of young talent that can't get it together. Instead, we are building a culture of hard work and intangibles.
You see Oladipo as a safe pick. For quite a while now, I saw him as simply the BEST pick. It had nothing to do with safety. At this point, which ever way you look at it...it is an opinion. However, don't you think that you should trust the opinion of guys hired to run an NBA franchise and draft players? I highly doubt they took Oladipo just because he was a safe pick. I am sure they thought he was the BEST pick, as well.
You make it seem like that if a guy was on the board with crazy skills, who was far above the other talents, that Henny would opt for the next guy with great work ethic. We passed on McLemore & Noel for real reasons. I don't know what they are...but several other teams also felt the same way. Everyone was in agreement that there wasn't 1 prospect head and shoulders above another. That is why Bennett went #1. For me...if you show me two players that are interchangeable in a draft slot...I am going to take the guy with work ethic and intangibles over the raw talent every day. That isn't safe...it is smart.
rcklsscognition wrote:Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 37s
RT @gswscribe: Jarrett Jack is signing a four-year, $25 million deal with Cleveland, source says
Lots of teams getting better. Prime time to tank. Someone else to the Bobcats could really help our cause.
rcklsscognition wrote:I love how anyone who doesn't agree with anything that has happened to the Magic over the last year and a half is a bi-polar clown.
rcklsscognition wrote:I love how anyone who doesn't agree with anything that has happened to the Magic over the last year and a half is a bi-polar clown.
