BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[JustaKnickFan]

i hate when people include first round picks and 2nd round picks as the same thing though.

Picks are picks though.

The opportunity to get a cheap young player with potential to grow is a great opportunity, which ALL of the contending teams have capitalized on. Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Mario Chalmers, and Lance Stephenson were all 2nd round picks but played a vital role for each of their teams.

[StephNYKurry]

Right......

Wonder why the Knicks couldn't score.

it certainly had NOTHING to do with the other team on the floor, that would be giving too much credit.

Dude...I have all 6 Pacers/Knicks games on the very computer that I'm typing from right now. Game 4 in particular is a game that sticks out as one where the Knicks simply couldn't buy ****. They got wide open looks, moved the ball well, and the shots simply wouldn't drop.

As I've said before and have gotten completely ignored, this is a make or miss league. Once you stop making shots, YOU'RE GOING HOME.

Maybe you dont know what you're looking at.

The Knicks didnt lose game 1 due to just missing shots.

Neither game 3 or 4.

And certainly not game 6, when they allowed the Pacers to hit 50% of their shots from the field.

The things that were a MAIN issue the biggest acquisition does not help with.

Thats the main reason why most do not like this deal.

Whats so hard to understand?

I'm done talking to you brah.

You obviously don't know nothing about basketball if you think that we were supposed to win Games 3 and 4 by shooting 35%.

Unless you have the games as well and want to go through the first quarters of Games 3 and 4 (something I have no desire to do again), don't tell me that I don't know what I'm looking at, because you ain't looking at anything.

[god shammgod]

They are only different by contract guarantees, other than that there really is no difference.

the value of a first round pick is not greater then the value of a 2nd ?

Not to us it isn't.

that's hard to argue

still, if we only gave up the 2nds, not too many people would care about this trade. at least there wouldn't be the same level of outrage.

[Fury]

i hate when people include first round picks and 2nd round picks as the same thing though.

Picks are picks though.

The opportunity to get a cheap young player with potential to grow is a great opportunity, which ALL of the contending teams have capitalized on. Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Mario Chalmers, and Lance Stephenson were all 2nd round picks but played a vital role for each of their teams.

3/4 of those dudes weren't even picked by those teams

[StephNYKurry]

I swear to God people hate this trade because Bargs is European.

People would be dancing in the streets if we traded for the Black Bargs in Eric gordon.

[Thugger HBC]

a come on thug...stop playing I'm serious...

You asked a question, and the answer is yes.

Oh so we didn't trade Novaks, Cambys and Q's guaranteed 17,929,722? It was just picks right...

The picks arent even my argument, i dont like bargnani's game, everyone knows it.

But you cant seriously believe Grunwald had to sell Toronto on the trade for a player they were desperate to get rid because a below average salary and an expiring contract wasnt better than the player they had.

They literally saved 8 mil dollars and got three picks for it.

You cannot make this up.

[Context]

That type of logic is where i hope the team does not share.

Playoff basketball has no boundaries on roles, all opn the court are to be expected to do the things needed for the win.

prime example Roy Hibbert being a focal point of indy's offense in the playoffs when he wasnt in the regular season.

To think Bargnani will only be required to just score efficiently, which i doubt he can even do that, is putting the team in a disadvantage.

It;'s the same thing people said of Melo, he was only brought here to score....no.....he was brought here to win games by any means he's capable of, at which scoring is not the only thing he is capable of.

Thug, it's not like Bargs CAN'T rebound. I saw several hgh rebounding games(above his average) in the first month of last season. People are acting like he runs when he sees a rebound.

THIS. Theres a difference between him being able to do something, and the knicks RELYING on him for it.

I fully anticipate Woodson will ask (maybe even demand) better effort from Bargs on the defensive effort and the glass. Keep in mind Woody and the Knicks have the leverage of benching Bargs if they feel he's not providing what theyre asking. The Raps couldnt reasonable do that to their franchise player. So he basically had free reign to play however he wanted with no repercussion.

Couldn't have Sadi it better... You Bargs killers are setting yourselves up for a serious "crow a** whipping". Just based on "human nature" Bargs is going to come here and give everything he's got. I am sure he is well aware of the haters. Evident in his "my fans" reference after he got word of the trade. I can't wait for this season..

[JustaKnickFan]

i hate when people include first round picks and 2nd round picks as the same thing though.

Picks are picks though.

The opportunity to get a cheap young player with potential to grow is a great opportunity, which ALL of the contending teams have capitalized on. Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Mario Chalmers, and Lance Stephenson were all 2nd round picks but played a vital role for each of their teams.

3/4 of those dudes weren't even picked by those teams

That's not the point, though. The point is, there is plenty of talent in the 2nd round, and that talent shouldn't be overlooked.

In other words, second rounders aren't just trash picks that should be traded to gain a 12th man.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Why did the Knicks lose to the Pacers?

Because we shot the basketball like absolutely crap and don't say that it had something to do with the Pacers defense either, because it really didn't.

We missed wide open jump shots that we had been knocking in all year long.

Simple as that.

Exactly. Thats the flaw of the Knicks philosophy. They rely on making a ton of jumpers to win games. When they can't make them they have little chance to win. And eventually over the course of the playoffs they will go cold. Its easy to stop because the Knicks don't have great ways to get good looks from 3. Its not like they play much inside/outside ball. Its more chuck and duck.

The other really good teams in the league are much more versatile offensively and they all play better defense then the Knicks. They can get better shots and can have a consistent offense. Being a great/good defensive team gives you another way to win even when your shooting is off. Pacers won plenty of games when they shot bad because of there defense. Knicks are not built that way so when there shot is off they lose. They were a mediocre defensive team during the season.

Give me a team thats built around defense over a team thats built around 3's anyday.

[Context]

You asked a question, and the answer is yes.

Oh so we didn't trade Novaks, Cambys and Q's guaranteed 17,929,722? It was just picks right...

The picks arent even my argument, i dont like bargnani's game, everyone knows it.

But you cant seriously believe Grunwald had to sell Toronto on the trade for a player they were desperate to get rid because a below average salary and an expiring contract wasnt better than the player they had.

They literally saved 8 mil dollars and got three picks for it.

You cannot make this up.

I thought you said the trade was Bargs for 3 picks?

[Thugger HBC]

the value of a first round pick is not greater then the value of a 2nd ?

Not to us it isn't.

that's hard to argue

still, if we only gave up the 2nds, not too many people would care about this trade. at least there wouldn't be the same level of outrage.

Depends on how you view the team.

Based on the playoffs, Bargnani should not be the marquee addition.

I honestly didnt want the dude for free.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I swear to God people hate this trade because Bargs is soft, can't rebound and plays terrible defense

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[Thugger HBC]

Oh so we didn't trade Novaks, Cambys and Q's guaranteed 17,929,722? It was just picks right...

The picks arent even my argument, i dont like bargnani's game, everyone knows it.

But you cant seriously believe Grunwald had to sell Toronto on the trade for a player they were desperate to get rid because a below average salary and an expiring contract wasnt better than the player they had.

They literally saved 8 mil dollars and got three picks for it.

You cannot make this up.

I thought you said the trade was Bargs for 3 picks?

is this real life?

[Context]

The picks arent even my argument, i dont like bargnani's game, everyone knows it.

But you cant seriously believe Grunwald had to sell Toronto on the trade for a player they were desperate to get rid because a below average salary and an expiring contract wasnt better than the player they had.

They literally saved 8 mil dollars and got three picks for it.

You cannot make this up.

I thought you said the trade was Bargs for 3 picks?

is this real life?

How did u know what I was thinking?

[Thugger HBC]

We had a 100 page draft thread hoping Grunwald could secure a 2nd rounder...

Not the 2nd mean nothing?

[StephNYKurry]

Why did the Knicks lose to the Pacers?

Because we shot the basketball like absolutely crap and don't say that it had something to do with the Pacers defense either, because it really didn't.

We missed wide open jump shots that we had been knocking in all year long.

Simple as that.

Exactly. Thats the flaw of the Knicks philosophy. They rely on making a ton of jumpers to win games. When they can't make them they have little chance to win. And eventually over the course of the playoffs they will go cold. Its easy to stop because the Knicks don't have great ways to get good looks from 3. Its not like they play much inside/outside ball. Its more chuck and duck.

The other really good teams in the league are much more versatile offensively and they all play better defense then the Knicks. They can get better shots and can have a consistent offense. Being a great/good defensive team gives you another way to win even when your shooting is off. Pacers won plenty of games when they shot bad because of there defense. Knicks are not built that way so when there shot is off they lose. They were a mediocre defensive team during the season.

Give me a team thats built around defense over a team thats built around 3's anyday.

Huh?

1) They're built around jumpers out of necessity. Not choice. They don't have any post threats and don't have anyone who can consistently penetrate

2) They were one of the best defensive teams in the playoffs. The rebounding margins against the Pacers were buoyed by the Knicks inability to hit a freaking shot. I've done the math. The Knicks missed shots should shoulder more responsibility for the rebounding margin in Games 3 and 4. Not to mention the fact that the guy who averaged 11 rebounds/game for them, was out there getting 3 and 4 rebounds.

There's no way to overcome that.

[StephNYKurry]

I swear to God people hate this trade because Bargs is soft, can't rebound and plays terrible defense

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Would you or would you not like the deal a lot more if the same package was traded for Eric Gordon?

[Thugger HBC]

I swear to God people hate this trade because Bargs is soft, can't rebound and plays terrible defense

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Would you or would you not like the deal a lot more if the same package was traded for Eric Gordon?

Bargnani has never averaged more than Eric Gordon.

Even played more games than bargnani last year too.

[god shammgod]

Not to us it isn't.

that's hard to argue

still, if we only gave up the 2nds, not too many people would care about this trade. at least there wouldn't be the same level of outrage.

Depends on how you view the team.

Based on the playoffs, Bargnani should not be the marquee addition.

I honestly didnt want the dude for free.

i didn't want him either but he's not replacing anyone useful really. so if he wasn't useful it really wouldn't matter. but when you give up the 1st round pick, you want it to work out.

to me it seems like they wanted him. they pursued him and they think he can be useful. i honestly think this was a reaction to indiana. he guards the post ok and you can put him out at the 3 point line on offense. if he does his job well, he can remove hibbert from the lane which opens it up for everyone else.

to me this argument over how you beat a team is kinda silly. there isn't one way. you beat a team however you can. can the knicks beat the pacers by having a superior defense and rebounding better then them ? probably not. they probably have to beat them with offense. and to do that you gotta get hibbert out of the lane. we'll have to see if it works.

[StephNYKurry]

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Would you or would you not like the deal a lot more if the same package was traded for Eric Gordon?

Bargnani has never averaged more than Eric Gordon.

Even played more games than bargnani last year too.

How do you get away with posts like these as a mod?

First of all, it's factually incorrect as Bargnani averaged 17.2 in 09-10 while Gordon averaged 16.9

Second of all, who freaking gives a crap? Over the last 4 years, Gordon has averaged 18.9 on 43% shooting, while Bargs has averaged 18 on 45%.

Both have been injured.

Both have had their competitiveness questioned by their organizations.

There's nothing appreciably different between Bargnani and Gordon besides the fact that one is a black man and the other guy is European.