Fake Trade Thread III

BlackOutBuzz · Post #41 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 6:01 pm

So we've already given up a ton of our cap space, likely given away our pick this year, and now you want to give away the only other assets we have from this "rebuild"? For a player as marginal as Thompson? No thanks.

I'd be ok with trading one or the other (maybe), but now I'm not even sure of that since I'd like to have those to see if we can at least trade into the top ten or so next year.

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MasterIchiro · Post #42 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 6:10 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I don't think that the team should trade picks unless they are getting something amazing back. Those picks are what is going to enable the rebuild to keep going even as the team gets better in the short to mid term.

Ben Gordon should be about the only thing that the team dangles for most deals. Mid-year there will be more demand for him. Sessions, picks, or other young players should only be traded in hugely favorable deals. They are the team's foundation for the future.

I can see the benefit of holding the picks as they escalate in value and using them to add to the rebuild. I'm fine either way if we use them to add the missing SG or save them to address needs as they arise over the next few years. I do feel like both picks will carry over.

And I would agree Gordon could be dangled for a pick midseason. I think where we differ is Sessions. I think we should get a pick for him as well.

It might be best if we can get Hendo on a bench salary. I think if we did that we would end up missing the playoffs and getting our own pick.

So we could have our own pick in 2014 + a late 1st round pick for Gordon + a mid-late first for Sessions + a DET pick that carries over to top-1 protection in 2015 plus a POR pick that moves closer to unprotected in 2016.

That's 5 first round draft picks with possibly 3 of them in the top 10.

BobsBuddy · Post #43 » by **BobsBuddy** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 6:09 pm

We just got to find out a way to win only 30-32 games and be 10th or worse in the 2014 draft. that way we may have 3 picks if we dump Gordan and Portland is better. That way could trade 3 picks and MKG for Wiggins. Your idea of signing Hendo will cost more than you are projecting. RFA --Probably 6 million over 3 to 4 years like Mayo's contract with Milwaukee..Any more than that ,we should let him go and sign Dorell Wright FA to replace him. This is getting really good!!!!!!!!

BlackOutBuzz · Post #44 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 6:12 pm

Wiggins looks special and all (and that's no guarantee), but three picks AND MKG?

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countryboi · Post #45 » by **countryboi** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 6:22 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:Wiggins looks special and all (and that's no guarantee), but three picks AND MKG?

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No no no....lol no no no

JT2006 · Post #46 » by **JT2006** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 8:14 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Okay.. I am starting to understand a bit better....

1. How does McBob have a cap hold if he is an unrestricted FA?
2. Why is Hendo cap hold so high? seems a bit ridiculous..
3. How does it make sense that teams over the cap have a higher exception than teams under the cap?
4. So if teams have to account for cap holds, then how do teams like LA, Nets, and Miami have such high caps?
5. So is the only way to build your cap, to have rising contracts, only sign restricted guy, and midlevel exceptions?

Seems like teams over the soft cap are almost in a better situation then teams under the cap...

teams in the soft cap couldn't sign 12 million dollar contracts

HornetJail · Post #47 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 8:44 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Okay.. I am starting to understand a bit better....

1. How does McBob have a cap hold if he is an unrestricted FA?
2. Why is Hendo cap hold so high? seems a bit ridiculous..
3. How does it make sense that teams over the cap have a higher exception than teams under the cap?
4. So if teams have to account for cap holds, then how do teams like LA, Nets, and Miami have such high caps?
5. So is the only way to build your cap, to have rising contracts, only sign restricted guy, and midlevel exceptions?

Seems like teams over the soft cap are almost in a better situation then teams under the cap...

All these rules are supposed to make it really tough to make super-teams with 100M dollar payrolls and to help keep big-name players with their old teams.

BobsBuddy · Post #48 » by **BobsBuddy** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 10:25 pm

Well here we are July 7th and would you have thought we would have Al Jefferson on the team without trading anybody and still have our draft picks? 60 days ago we would have jumped at getting Asiks or Kanter or Aldridge. I bet Cuban or Jeannie Buss would love to have Big Al now that Howard is in Houston. At 28 he is still good for 3 or 4 years of 20/10 nights and getting us into the playoffs by 2015.(maybe 2014).We still have one piece of unfinished business and that is RFA Hendo. So Far no team has thrown 3 years 24 mil like Mayo got,but I expect it to happen and with what's left of FA guards if we let him walk then do we start JT? Dorell Wright went cheap at 2 years 6 mil to Portland and would have fit here well as a swing man at 6'9". Daniels,who is on our Vegas summer league squad is a pure 3 point shooter like Gordon,but he needs to be stashed for later on the bench for when we trade Gordon. If we lose Hendo,I would love to have Rodney Stuckey. Is he a RFA like Hendo? If not then I guess we start Gordon and back him up with JT until we can trade him. Its a contract year for Gordy. He will probably shoot the lights out of TWC Arena? :sigh:

JMAC3 · Post #49 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:52 am

Wonder what kind of deal it would take to get Marcus Thornton from the Kings... Seems like we could maybe steal him from them...

I actually think the Kings have some nice players, but they do not really fit together very well...

Eoghan · Post #50 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:09 am

Marcus Thornton is a massive chucker and barely an upgrade to Gordon.

HornetJail · Post #51 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:27 am

JMAC3 wrote:Wonder what kind of deal it would take to get Marcus Thornton from the Kings... Seems like we could maybe steal him from them...

I actually think the Kings have some nice players, but they do not really fit together very well...

I'd trade Ben Gordon for him, Chuck Hayes and a pick if they wanted to dump contracts for expirings. Wouldn't take him for much more than that though. Thornton is a mindless bomber, but if he can reign it in a little, he could be a terrific role player.

chrbal · Post #52 » by **chrbal** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 1:11 am

Only would do that if we could flip Hayes to another team. Pay Jeff Adrien like $6 mil a year and you have Chuck Hayes. Actually I still think Jeff is better even at the same rate.

radtech · Post #53 » by **radtech** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:23 am

To get Monta Ellis by taking Marcus Thornton, Chuck Hayes, and a future number one?

Why for CHAR, by adding Thornton you add a legit scorer to go along with the newly signed Al Jefferson. Both should be around 20 points per game. Also by adding Thornton, you can buy out Gordon. Hayes offers depth. You add 2 quality players to a roster that needs more NBA ready players and the future number one is also helpful.

Post #54 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:50 am

radtech wrote:To get Monta Ellis by taking Marcus Thornton, Chuck Hayes, and a future number one?

Why for CHAR, by adding Thornton you add a legit scorer to go along with the newly signed Al Jefferson. Both should be around 20 points per game. Also by adding Thornton, you can buy out Gordon. Hayes offers depth. You add 2 quality players to a roster that needs more NBA ready players and the future number one is also helpful.

merged with trade thread.

to answer your question, NO, we dont have that kind of salary space left.

HornetJail · Post #55 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 4:13 am

radtech wrote:To get Monta Ellis by taking Marcus Thornton, Chuck Hayes, and a future number one?

Why for CHAR, by adding Thornton you add a legit scorer to go along with the newly signed Al Jefferson. Both should be around 20 points per game. Also by adding Thornton, you can buy out Gordon. Hayes offers depth. You add 2 quality players to a roster that needs more NBA ready players and the future number one is also helpful.

If we had the cap space, I'd do it for the future first coming back our way, which unfortunately isn't Sacramento's to give anyway. I think Thornton is a terrific talent, but his mindless bombed tendencies are best suited off the bench for a playoff team who wants instant scoring. Cleveland might be a better team to ask.

LamarMatic7 · Post #56 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 7:01 am

Marcus Thornton seems destined in a few years to be the guy who has played the most regular season games without a playoff appearance. I absolutely don't want to see that guy on our team. What would be the point, if we had to pay him the same money as Hendo? I much rather keep Gerald then.

MasterIchiro · Post #57 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:35 pm

ESPN finally updated the trade machine. Take a look at our contract situation - it's a thing of beauty. We have Gordon and Sessions expiring. For 18 million we can add a star if we determine the playoffs are within striking distance this year or we can bolster the rebuild with a few picks.

We have some nice trade assets in Gordon, Sessions, the DET pick and the POR pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

***Also notice no Tyrus

MasterIchiro · Post #58 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:36 pm

How about Gerald Henderson for Wilson Chandler?

Kembastockton · Post #59 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:58 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:How about Gerald Henderson for Wilson Chandler?

Chandler makes around the natural compromise with Hendo. So there would be no point in this trade.

siar617 · Post #60 » by **siar617** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:11 am

Ben Gordon Josh McRoberts for THjr Amare and a first?