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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#281 » by payitforward » Sat Jul 6, 2013 1:21 am

DCZards wrote:Payit, I've never supported or defended the drafting of Ves, Mack or Sato. Not once. My crime (in at least one poster's opinion) was my defense and support of the Ariza/Okafor trade and, more recently, for believing that Maynor could turn out to be a good pick up for the Zards.

And, oh yes, I also believed that Beal was a better pick for the Zards than MKG, an opinion that same poster didn't share.

So, you see, I have sinned. I've had the audacity to agree with some of the moves made by the notorious EG...and not scream bloody murder about others.

As I said in my post, *everybody* agrees w/ *some* of what Ernie has done. Hard to imagine a GM messing up everything 100%.

That's not the issue. What's at stake, and obviously so, is whether Ernie is a good or even an average NBA GM. He's had *a decade* in his job. W/ that big a sample, you judge on results pure and simple. Ernie's results suck. He's a terrible GM, a throw-back to the "old basketball guy" school of management.

Choosing between MKG and Beal has nothing to do w/ that. Whichever one went #2 we'd have taken the other one. Has nothing to do w/ Maynor either.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#282 » by nate33 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 2:02 pm

I think EG has done a lot right. My problem with him is that his two big mistakes were such monumental blunders that they cannot be forgiven. EG must be fired after the Mike Miller trade and the Vesely pick.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#283 » by Benjammin » Sat Jul 6, 2013 2:45 pm

payitforward wrote:As I said in my post, *everybody* agrees w/ *some* of what Ernie has done. Hard to imagine a GM messing up everything 100%.

That's not the issue. What's at stake, and obviously so, is whether Ernie is a good or even an average NBA GM. He's had *a decade* in his job. W/ that big a sample, you judge on results pure and simple. Ernie's results suck. He's a terrible GM, a throw-back to the "old basketball guy" school of management.

Choosing between MKG and Beal has nothing to do w/ that. Whichever one went #2 we'd have taken the other one. Has nothing to do w/ Maynor either.


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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#284 » by BruceO » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:04 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/John_Wall/st ... 973121?p=v

Small addition to that thread of thought of how maynor helped lillard and how lillard had praise for maynor.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#285 » by jangles86 » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:19 am

Didn't we acquire barbosa last season? What's going on with him?
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#286 » by montestewart » Sun Jul 7, 2013 3:15 am

BruceO wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/John_Wall/status/352637831555973121?p=v

Small addition to that thread of thought of how maynor helped lillard and how lillard had praise for maynor.
No spoilers.

That was hard to read.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#287 » by jivelikenice » Sun Jul 7, 2013 3:20 am

Based on the contracts that wet to Harris and Collisn, its safe to say Ernie pulled the trigger on Maynor too quickly. I also really wished Ernie would have tried to contact contact teams using Ariza as sign and trade bait for guys like Milispa and Jack. Who knows what response he would have gotten, but he had an extra tradeable asset to move and hasn't thus far,
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#288 » by Kanyewest » Sun Jul 7, 2013 3:30 am

On twitter, there are reports that suggest that Collison is taking less to go to the Clippers because it is close to his home (he did go to UCLA).
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Post#289 » by nate33 » Sun Jul 7, 2013 3:42 am

jivelikenice wrote:Based on the contracts that wet to Harris and Collisn, its safe to say Ernie pulled the trigger on Maynor too quickly. I also really wished Ernie would have tried to contact contact teams using Ariza as sign and trade bait for guys like Milispa and Jack. Who knows what response he would have gotten, but he had an extra tradeable asset to move and hasn't thus far,

Meh, Harris went for more than the LLE so we were out of the running. Collison also went for just over the LLE and he took a contender discount to play with the Lakers.
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Post#290 » by jivelikenice » Sun Jul 7, 2013 3:54 am

Saying he's taking less is easier then saying the market isn't what he expected it to be.

There are still some pgs like Nate still out there. It just seems like they could have been in the discussion for a few of these bargains if they had shown some more patience.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#291 » by Shorty » Sun Jul 7, 2013 5:33 am

nate33 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Based on the contracts that wet to Harris and Collisn, its safe to say Ernie pulled the trigger on Maynor too quickly. I also really wished Ernie would have tried to contact contact teams using Ariza as sign and trade bait for guys like Milispa and Jack. Who knows what response he would have gotten, but he had an extra tradeable asset to move and hasn't thus far,

Meh, Harris went for more than the LLE so we were out of the running. Collison also went for just over the LLE and he took a contender discount to play with the Lakers.


The Lakers are a contender?
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#292 » by montestewart » Sun Jul 7, 2013 5:37 am

Shorty wrote:
nate33 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Based on the contracts that wet to Harris and Collisn, its safe to say Ernie pulled the trigger on Maynor too quickly. I also really wished Ernie would have tried to contact contact teams using Ariza as sign and trade bait for guys like Milispa and Jack. Who knows what response he would have gotten, but he had an extra tradeable asset to move and hasn't thus far,

Meh, Harris went for more than the LLE so we were out of the running. Collison also went for just over the LLE and he took a contender discount to play with the Lakers.


The Lakers are a contender?

For Wiggins.
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Post#293 » by fishercob » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:45 am

Nivek wrote:
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Nivek wrote:Interesting question with Webster. Here are Webster's PPA numbers by season:

2006 -- 61
2007 -- 52
2008 -- 88
2009 -- inj
2010 -- 88
2011 -- 62
2012 -- 67
2013 -- 114

Webster's non-shooting numbers (adjusted for pace) were about the same last season as they've been throughout his career. He'd always been a decent shooter, but last season he abruptly improved his shooting (including the best FT% since his rookie season). He also had a career high in assists. Biggest issue for Webster was finally getting healthy. When healthy, his performance had been at least in the vicinity of average.

With Maynor, there's always the hope that he'll click in Washington where he hasn't elsewhere. His best season was about as good as Webster's worst, though.


Well it feeds into the positive narrative that some good health and a stable role could help spike his production. PPA doesn't exist in a vacuum from. These factors, right? Those things seemed to have helped Webster plenty.


It could. It's definitely possible. A key difference between Webster and Maynor, however, is that Webster was reasonably productive when healthy, and he developed one skill (shooting) to a fairly high level before he got to Washington. I'm not seeing either of those things with Maynor.

But, it could very well be that he's been a guy just waiting for the right situation.


What would Maynor's PPA need to in order for him to justify his contract?
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#294 » by nate33 » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:42 pm

Shorty wrote:
nate33 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Based on the contracts that wet to Harris and Collisn, its safe to say Ernie pulled the trigger on Maynor too quickly. I also really wished Ernie would have tried to contact contact teams using Ariza as sign and trade bait for guys like Milispa and Jack. Who knows what response he would have gotten, but he had an extra tradeable asset to move and hasn't thus far,

Meh, Harris went for more than the LLE so we were out of the running. Collison also went for just over the LLE and he took a contender discount to play with the Lakers.


The Lakers are a contender?

Sorry. The Clippers. Collison went to the Clippers.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#295 » by Nivek » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:26 pm

fishercob wrote:
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fishercob wrote:
Well it feeds into the positive narrative that some good health and a stable role could help spike his production. PPA doesn't exist in a vacuum from. These factors, right? Those things seemed to have helped Webster plenty.


It could. It's definitely possible. A key difference between Webster and Maynor, however, is that Webster was reasonably productive when healthy, and he developed one skill (shooting) to a fairly high level before he got to Washington. I'm not seeing either of those things with Maynor.

But, it could very well be that he's been a guy just waiting for the right situation.


What would Maynor's PPA need to in order for him to justify his contract?


The salary translation part of PPA is something I'm still working on. What I have in place at the moment says Maynor was worth about $800k last season. If Maynor can get above replacement level, he's at least arguably "worth" the contract he got. However, I think the Wizards could have bought more production with that money.

I want to rework the salary component of PPA, though. One of the things that bugs me about it is that the low-end producers have values that are too high. Maynor would fall into that group.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#296 » by thinker07 » Tue Jul 9, 2013 5:30 pm

Here's a question and answer I got on a Hoopsworld Chat with Steve Kyler:


Hi Steve,
What do you think of Eric Maynor – new backup PG for the Wizards? Is he an upgrade over AJ Price? Does he have any upside?

Steve Kyler

Yes… a huge upgrade.

Eric is a solid. Its a great addition.
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Post#297 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jul 9, 2013 6:07 pm

Here is a summary of the Eric Maynor vs. Price debate. http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/07/the ... ebate.html. It suggests that Eric Maynor is a pass first point guard and who can get to the rim and take more shots at the rim that can lead to offensive rebounds.
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Post#298 » by rockymac52 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:19 am

I will say this... if a year from now Maynor has surprised me and turned out to be a very good player that everybody was sleeping on, then I will tip my hat to Ernie and Co. Because from a statistics standpoint, I just don't see the appeal or upside with Maynor. But if he proves me wrong, then I'll have no choice but to accept that Ernie and Co. know things that I don't, and that I should give the front office more benefit of the doubt. Only positive thing I've found with Maynor after a whole week was from the TruthAboutIt article, pointing out that Maynor likes to shoot from the left wing from 3, while Wall occupies the right elbow frequently, so they may work out very well together while on the court together. That's the only upside I've found though so far. And even then, while it'd be nice if Maynor is capable of playing alongside Wall, that doesn't solve our issue of a real backup PG to run the offense for those 12 MPG or so that Wall's on the bench.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#299 » by DCZards » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:26 am

rockymac52 wrote: That's the only upside I've found though so far. And even then, while it'd be nice if Maynor is capable of playing alongside Wall, that doesn't solve our issue of a real backup PG to run the offense for those 12 MPG or so that Wall's on the bench.


I expect Maynor to be very capable of being that backup PG who can run the offense when Wall is on the bench.
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