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Re: Poll: Masai Ujiri Approval Rating 

Post#61 » by WIldEagle18 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:49 am

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TheGoodDoctor wrote:I'm finding hard to approve of him when he's taking what limited cap we have and locking into the likes of Hansborough, Wright and Stone....wtf is he doing?!


Who'd you expect him to get?

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It's not about who we didn't get, it's about who we DID and who we locked our money into.


The signing we made are just two year contracts. It's not like he's pulling a BC signing everyone into 4-5 years contracts.
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Re: Poll: Masai Ujiri Approval Rating 

Post#62 » by yodude » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:52 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
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TheGoodDoctor wrote:I'm finding hard to approve of him when he's taking what limited cap we have and locking into the likes of Hansborough, Wright and Stone....wtf is he doing?!


Who'd you expect him to get?

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It's not about who we didn't get, it's about who we DID and who we locked our money into.



First of all, we have limited assets to trade because of BC, so he didn't really put us in this horrid situation and he can't really fix it at this point...and second, we only have 5.5mil, and using parts of it for roles players like Hansbrough is smart because there aren't many other players out there that can help us...and also, he can use the other part to sign another role player. This will help deepen the bench...But in reality, he can't get much. Stone is on a vet minimum, so he doesn't really cost that much. And well, Hansbrough came at a cheap price, so there isn't much to complain. There just aren't that many big man that will take a 2yr/6mil contract to come to Toronto.
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Re: Poll: Masai Ujiri Approval Rating 

Post#63 » by nodeal » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:28 am

Marvin Martian wrote:He is doing everything a tanking team should not do.

Traded the worst player on the team (bargs) before trading the core.

Filling needs on the bench

Taking in more salary


Compare this with PHI who traded their best player before anyone else (holiday), kept the disappointing Evan Turner, added no salary and no one of significance to their roster in order to maximize their draft position


That's not true.

You do not pass on a good trade, because you havnt found something you like for your core yet.

Signing players who will have trade value, is important. We can flip these newly signed players(current assets) for future assets.

Smart tanking/rebuilding is taking your time, getting good value. Selling everything for nothing for the sake of it is not smart tanking/rebuilding.

We do not need to trade our core immediately. We have time, even with our core playing a full season we are a 9th 10th seed, so if we let them play a month or 2 before we are able to trade all of them, it wont hurt us too badly in the draft. Which is secondary to acquiring assets.

Ujiri is continually weighing his options, nothing is off the table. He is basically being a smart GM right now, which is better than an impatient GM, or a GM that makes up their mind and goes full steam in that direction regardless what happens around them.
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Re: Poll: Masai Ujiri Approval Rating 

Post#64 » by RaptorNews » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:30 am

All I hope is he doesnt take too long to decide who he wants to ship out. All signs are pointing to this being a bad draft class to second guess whether you're tanking or not
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Post#65 » by hankscorpioLA » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:49 am

RaptorNews wrote:All I hope is he doesnt take too long to decide who he wants to ship out. All signs are pointing to this being a bad draft class to second guess whether you're tanking or not


He's not second guessing anything.

From the start Masai has given no indication that he plans to tank next season and everything he has done supports that indication.

No second guessing. No tanking.
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Post#66 » by pbj » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:04 am

I hope he can trade Kleiza so we don't to amnesty him.

Expiring contract, anyone?
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Re: Poll: Masai Ujiri Approval Rating 

Post#67 » by RaptorNews » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:06 am

hankscorpioLA wrote:
RaptorNews wrote:All I hope is he doesnt take too long to decide who he wants to ship out. All signs are pointing to this being a bad draft class to second guess whether you're tanking or not


He's not second guessing anything.

From the start Masai has given no indication that he plans to tank next season and everything he has done supports that indication.

No second guessing. No tanking.


This team is mediocre and two players are in their prime already, the guy who put this team together just got fired - clearly some change is in order.
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Re: Poll: Masai Ujiri Approval Rating 

Post#68 » by ballislife » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:14 am

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RaptorNews wrote:All I hope is he doesnt take too long to decide who he wants to ship out. All signs are pointing to this being a bad draft class to second guess whether you're tanking or not


He's not second guessing anything.

From the start Masai has given no indication that he plans to tank next season and everything he has done supports that indication.

No second guessing. No tanking.


This team is mediocre and two players are in their prime already, the guy who put this team together just got fired - clearly some change is in order.


I disagree that Rudy and DeMar are in their prime. Rusy hasn't had a full season with us. Let him go through a training camp and a full season before saying he can't be any better than he is (he's already one of the most clutch players in the league.

DeMar is only 23 - almost 24... he's still going to get better... I'll put money on him becoming a decent 3 point shooter. When he was drafted (if you were around to know), scouts were saying that DeRozan's a prospect that we have to wait on. He was very raw.. he's come a long way. There's still ways to go. He's a determined worker and he knows what he needs to do to get better. It'll happen.
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Post#69 » by RaptorNews » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:14 am

I meant Lowry and Rudy!
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Post#70 » by Liberal » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:07 am

Since this will be a recurring poll, at this point I approve.

I like his ability to keep things tight lipped in negotiations. Ppl say the Bargnani trade leaked but that was only because they were already pushing the trade through the NBA to get approved on June 30 so it could technically happen last season instead of this season. I dont really consider that a leak. If a trade is going to the NBA for approval you will hear about it.

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Post#71 » by dballislife » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:34 am

masai has been smart by playing it safe for now, find the best pg available right now and reassess team at 20 game mark...with jonas demar ross lowry gay fields amir, what i like about the team is almost everyone might improve for next season, couple might even take a big step
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Post#72 » by Marvin Martian » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:07 am

nodeal wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:He is doing everything a tanking team should not do.

Traded the worst player on the team (bargs) before trading the core.

Filling needs on the bench

Taking in more salary


Compare this with PHI who traded their best player before anyone else (holiday), kept the disappointing Evan Turner, added no salary and no one of significance to their roster in order to maximize their draft position


That's not true.

You do not pass on a good trade, because you havnt found something you like for your core yet.

Signing players who will have trade value, is important. We can flip these newly signed players(current assets) for future assets.

Smart tanking/rebuilding is taking your time, getting good value. Selling everything for nothing for the sake of it is not smart tanking/rebuilding.

We do not need to trade our core immediately. We have time, even with our core playing a full season we are a 9th 10th seed, so if we let them play a month or 2 before we are able to trade all of them, it wont hurt us too badly in the draft. Which is secondary to acquiring assets.

Ujiri is continually weighing his options, nothing is off the table. He is basically being a smart GM right now, which is better than an impatient GM, or a GM that makes up their mind and goes full steam in that direction regardless what happens around them.


The opportunity cost of waiting becomes bigger every day. If MU had any intentions of tanking and trading the core for future assets, then he should have done a deal on draft night.

Instead he did nothing on draft night and started doing win now moves by filling out the putrid bench with quality vet role players.Does that sound like someone who wants to tank?
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Post#73 » by Anatomize » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:15 am

I like that everything is under the radar with this guy, no flashiness, no press conference (so far) to show off every single transaction and hype up his own moves.

Moreover, he's not caving in and committing to franchise crippling moves from the get-go in order to appease his own ego or the fanbase. Masai is carefully taking his time to assess this team, build his staff, and has made some necessary moves.

Nothing to dislike at this point, and it's a good start.
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Post#74 » by Liberal » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:56 am

Lol I think Novak is going to be introduced on Thursday if I heard correctly

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Post#75 » by J-Roc » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:46 am

Anatomize wrote:I like that everything is under the radar with this guy, no flashiness, no press conference (so far) to show off every single transaction and hype up his own moves.

Moreover, he's not caving in and committing to franchise crippling moves from the get-go in order to appease his own ego or the fanbase. Masai is carefully taking his time to assess this team, build his staff, and has made some necessary moves.

Nothing to dislike at this point, and it's a good start.


To be fair any press conferences will wait till today, when the moratorium ends. We shall see if MLSE marketing doesn't ensure press conferences happen.

I still remember BC introducing Solomon Alabi with Ed Davis.

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Post#76 » by sanity » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:41 pm

I agree that the press conferences are rather cheesy and seem more indicative of MLSE wanting to portray the Raptors like they're the Leafs of the NBA or something

Unless its for a player of the skillset of Rudy Gay or above, the idea of formal announcements are silly, even if barely anyone watches NBA TV Canada
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Post#77 » by KingstonRaptors » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:45 pm

I guess if we knew what direction he and the FO is leaning towards, it would help me understand whether the moves are good. But the mere fact that he was able to get anything resembling positive assest for Bargnani has lead me to think very highly of him. I guess a wait and see attitude is currently warranted.
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Post#78 » by Indeed » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:14 pm

Don't really like his moves so far. Trading Bargnani for Camby whos not coming to play. I assume Camby is to help develop Jonas, but it doesn't seem this trade makes us any better in competing nor developing players. It seems like we just want to get out of luxury tax in the sake of just trading away someone.

Hansbrough signing is worse. The team doesn't need more veteran presences, and I don't see Hansbrough fills our needs.

Meanwhile, we have yet to do anything with our biggest need, 3 point shooting. Anthony Morrow signed a 2 year vet-min, and we are not getting any 3+D guard?

Perhaps it is still early in the off season, and we have little cap space to work with. However, I am a little disappointed with the current direction. I am very concern with the scoring, and believe all our players will have a hard time scoring (career low in scoring and asset management).
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Post#79 » by pbj » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:23 pm

Can't really dislike what he's done so far, though obviously no one's blown away.

Got 3 draft picks and one of the best shooters in the NBA back for Bargnani - everyone here, including myself, thought we'd have to package him with like Ross just to dump him on someone.. but instead we get back 4 usable assets.

Stone - seems.. ok... I guess?? Low risk, high reward I guess

Hansbrough - I like, especially since it's only 1 year + team option. Every team needs a player like this

So all in all.. positive moves, to be sure, but I'm still waiting for a Kleiza trade. If he can trade him for anything so we don't have to amnesty him THEN I'll be impressed.
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Post#80 » by Wasp » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:26 pm

Indeed wrote:Don't really like his moves so far. Trading Bargnani for Camby whos not coming to play. I assume Camby is to help develop Jonas, but it doesn't seem this trade makes us any better in competing nor developing players. It seems like we just want to get out of luxury tax in the sake of just trading away someone.

Hansbrough signing is worse. The team doesn't need more veteran presences, and I don't see Hansbrough fills our needs.

Meanwhile, we have yet to do anything with our biggest need, 3 point shooting. Anthony Morrow signed a 2 year vet-min, and we are not getting any 3+D guard?

Perhaps it is still early in the off season, and we have little cap space to work with. However, I am a little disappointed with the current direction. I am very concern with the scoring, and believe all our players will have a hard time scoring (career low in scoring and asset management).


Oh yeah, the trade was totally Bargnani for Camby. Let's just forget the 1st and two 2nds that came along with the deal. Not to mention Novak, who is a career 43% 3point shooter. Wait, wasn't that one of our biggest needs according to you? And all that for what many pundits called one of the most untradeable contracts in the NBA? You're totally right. HORRIBLE TRADE.

Oh yeah, Hansbrough is an old washed up vet. At 27 years old. Too bad we signed him for 5 years. Wait, isn't it 2 years with a team option for the 2nd? Oops.

On a sheer asset for asset basis, MU so far:

Incoming - Novak, Q-Rich, Stone, Hansbrough, Camby, 1st, 2nd, 2nd
Outgoing - Bargnani

He's done a fantastic job so far, and is doing what good GM's do—be patient, let the morons overpay and make panic moves, and acquire valuable pieces for less than what they're worth. I can't wait to see what he does for the rest of the summer.

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