Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor

payitforward · Post #301 » by **payitforward** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:42 pm

Not to beat a dead horse, but it's confirmed that Collison took $1.9m this year w/ a player option next year (at how much I don't know) w/ the Clippers. A similar deal, but cheaper, to the one Maynor got w/ us.

Ok, lets assume Collison took a discount to play in LA -- but just as Maynor here, he isn't going to start.

Collison and Maynor came out the same year. Collison has been the better player every year, and he's always earned more minutes as well. They are the same age.

Why Maynor? Did Collison's agent tell us to go away? Or what....?

dckingsfan · Post #302 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:25 pm

payitforward wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but it's confirmed that Collison took $1.9m this year w/ a player option next year (at how much I don't know) w/ the Clippers. A similar deal, but cheaper, to the one Maynor got w/ us.

Ok, lets assume Collison took a discount to play in LA -- but just as Maynor here, he isn't going to start.

Collison and Maynor came out the same year. Collison has been the better player every year, and he's always earned more minutes as well. They are the same age.

Why Maynor? Did Collison's agent tell us to go away? Or what....?

Exactly... I just think that EG felt burned that there were no PGs at the end of the FA period last year and overreacted. He should have seen that there were more PGs than slots this year. Nate Robinson, Mo Williams and Beno Udrih are still out there as well.

I guess we have to hope that Maynor becomes Webster.

Dat2U · Post #303 » by **Dat2U** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:59 pm

payitforward wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but it's confirmed that Collison took $1.9m this year w/ a player option next year (at how much I don't know) w/ the Clippers. A similar deal, but cheaper, to the one Maynor got w/ us.

Ok, lets assume Collison took a discount to play in LA -- but just as Maynor here, he isn't going to start.

Collison and Maynor came out the same year. Collison has been the better player every year, and he's always earned more minutes as well. They are the same age.

Why Maynor? Did Collison's agent tell us to go away? Or what....?

Example #348 of why it was incredibly foolish for Ernie to use the 1st day of free agency to lock up a guy that would possibly still be available right now if we didn't sign him.

Kanyewest · Post #304 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:29 pm

payitforward wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but it's confirmed that Collison took $1.9m this year w/ a player option next year (at how much I don't know) w/ the Clippers. A similar deal, but cheaper, to the one Maynor got w/ us.

Ok, lets assume Collison took a discount to play in LA -- but just as Maynor here, he isn't going to start.

Collison and Maynor came out the same year. Collison has been the better player every year, and he's always earned more minutes as well. They are the same age.

Why Maynor? Did Collison's agent tell us to go away? Or what....?

Collison took a hometown discount according to yahoosports- he did go to UCLA.

Nivek · Post #305 » by **Nivek** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:10 pm

Dat2U wrote:
payitforward wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but it's confirmed that Collison took $1.9m this year w/ a player option next year (at how much I don't know) w/ the Clippers. A similar deal, but cheaper, to the one Maynor got w/ us.

Ok, lets assume Collison took a discount to play in LA -- but just as Maynor here, he isn't going to start.

Collison and Maynor came out the same year. Collison has been the better player every year, and he's always earned more minutes as well. They are the same age.

Why Maynor? Did Collison's agent tell us to go away? Or what....?

Example #348 of why it was incredibly foolish for Ernie to use the 1st day of free agency to lock up a guy that would possibly still be available right now if we didn't sign him.

Here's the thing: even if Maynor had signed somewhere else...so what? I'm sure he's a great guy and everything, but there are players just as good (or better) available at the minimum pretty much anytime. If Maynor was signed, the Wizards could sign one of these other guards floating around (or just re-sign A.J. Price) and be no worse off.

Grrr.

payitforward · Post #306 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:05 pm

Nivek wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
payitforward wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but it's confirmed that Collison took $1.9m this year w/ a player option next year (at how much I don't know) w/ the Clippers. A similar deal, but cheaper, to the one Maynor got w/ us.

Ok, lets assume Collison took a discount to play in LA -- but just as Maynor here, he isn't going to start.

Collison and Maynor came out the same year. Collison has been the better player every year, and he's always earned more minutes as well. They are the same age.

Why Maynor? Did Collison's agent tell us to go away? Or what....?

Example #348 of why it was incredibly foolish for Ernie to use the 1st day of free agency to lock up a guy that would possibly still be available right now if we didn't sign him.

Here's the thing: even if Maynor had signed somewhere else...so what? I'm sure he's a great guy and everything, but there are players just as good (or better) available at the minimum pretty much anytime. If Maynor was signed, the Wizards could sign one of these other guards floating around (or just re-sign A.J. Price) and be no worse off.

Grrr.

In the end, Price played better than I (and maybe most folks) expected. Hence one can imagine the same about Maynor I suppose....

For me a key issue of the decision was the idiotic claim by Ted that reflected the team's use of "advanced statistics" -- "due diligence": he pointed out in his usual self-satisfied way that the Pacers had been oh so much better defensively w/ Price on the floor. Of course it was only moments before someone pointed out that they were even worse offensively.

I.e. the dissatisfaction w/ Price was enriched by the dissatisfaction with those tweedledee-tweedledum twins of "I know better than you", Ted and Ernie.

Nivek · Post #307 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:21 pm

payitforward: This is one of the things that's so puzzling about the Maynor signing -- the Price signing was a success. I thought the Price signing was iffy, especially based on the reasoning they presented publicly, which was truly elementary school thinking. But, at the league minimum -- sure, give it a shot and see if he can help out some.

Price had some bad stretches this past season, but he also had some stretches where he played very well. On balance, his performance was acceptable for a guy who should be a fairly low minute backup. On balance, he out-performed reasonable expectations for what he could produce, and he out-performed his minimum salary contract. That's a win. Especially since they could likely just lather-rinse-repeat on the minimum salary contract.

But no, they're too smart for that. Instead they flush him and burn the BAE on a guy who even when healthy didn't perform as well as Price did last season -- and the "even when healthy" thing was two years ago.

verbal8 · Post #308 » by **verbal8** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:05 pm

Nivek wrote:But no, they're too smart for that. Instead they flush him and burn the BAE on a guy who even when healthy didn't perform as well as Price did last season -- and the "even when healthy" thing was two years ago.

The contract structure shows they didn't learn anything from the Webster signing last year. Maybe it would have taken a bigger offer, but signing Webster to a 2 year deal would have had a number of advantages. It would have kept him this year at a bargain price. It also would give early bird rights that would allow retaining him without using the MLE. Say Maynor slightly exceeds expectations and opts out. Then they have to use at least part of the MLE to retain him, not to mention the BAE has been burned for a 1 year deal.

Looking at the 2 times he used it - Oberto and Maynor, I think that EG doesn't have a high opinion of the value of the BAE.

TGW · Post #309 » by **TGW** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:29 am

This guy sucks.

You didn't hear it here first.

GhostsOfGil · Post #310 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:39 am

TGW wrote:This guy sucks.

You didn't hear it here first.

Epic bump. He a bust.

JWizmentality · Post #311 » by **JWizmentality** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:52 am

He should be left way at the end of the bench. Just ride Temple into the sunset and hope we don't run Wall into the ground.

closg00 · Post #312 » by **closg00** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:27 am

GhostsOfGil wrote:
TGW wrote:This guy sucks.

You didn't hear it here first.

Epic bump. He a bust.

You-guys are missing the genius move here, we locked Maynor up early to keep some other team from nabbing or starting a bidding war for him

TGW · Post #313 » by **TGW** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:42 am

And we get him for two years...guaranteed. How genius is that.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #314 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:01 am

Eric Maynor... Shark sandwich

closg00 · Post #315 » by **closg00** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 3:15 am

Read and weep, they love Nate Wolters over at the Bucks board. EFG, SMH
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TGW · Post #316 » by **TGW** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 3:59 am

DCZards wrote:
rockymac52 wrote: That's the only upside I've found though so far. And even then, while it'd be nice if Maynor is capable of playing alongside Wall, that doesn't solve our issue of a real backup PG to run the offense for those 12 MPG or so that Wall's on the bench.

I expect Maynor to be very capable of being that backup PG who can run the offense when Wall is on the bench.

Well Msynor hasn't met your expectations, I'm sure. Dude is pretty useless.

jivelikenice · Post #317 » by **jivelikenice** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:45 pm

Darius Morris just got released. I'd take him over Maynor!

Post #318 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:46 am

Nice signing, Ernie.

Post #319 » by **miller31time** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:48 am

I'm legitimately curious to pick the brain of Ernie Grunfeld.

What made him choose Maynor?
What did Maynor do to make him think he could play professional basketball?
What did Maynor do to make him think we had to lock him up for 2 YEARS?
When did Maynor do this mystical/theoretical impressive play?
Why would he sign him to more than the veteran's minimum?
Why would he sign him on the first day of free agency?

I must know the answers to these questions!

Post #320 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:52 am

Bring back Laron Profit.