Glen Rice Jr.

[Kanyewest]

Here's an interview from via yahoo

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/glen-rice ... 06442.html

LOL

Same interview I posted. Different camera angle.

Whoops

[montestewart]

Here's an interview from via yahoo

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/glen-rice ... 06442.html

LOL

Same interview I posted. Different camera angle.

As a close observer of interviews, would you say you were able to glean any additional insights from the alternative POV?

[hands11]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5E_IpKjowQ

So now that the off season additions are settling into my mind I got to thinking about Glen Rice Jr again.

He could very well be a bigger immediate impact then Otto. I could actually see Glen getting up to speed in the first month.

More experienced playing against bigger players at a faster pace. Accustomed to the traveling.

Might have been a mid first if he didn't take the path his did.

An upgrade at SG to Price for sure as a long ball shooter, driver and passer. Quick release.

Kind of a SF/SG that will be playing SG

I posted the numbers in another thread. Here is what I found.

Given you have Okafor, Nene, Webster, it was not having Beal that was a much bigger impact then not having Wall. So having Beal insurance is HUGE. Well Glen is much better Beal insurance then Price was.

[DCZards]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5E_IpKjowQ

So now that the off season additions are settling into my mind I got to thinking about Glen Rice Jr again.

He could very well be a bigger immediate impact then Otto. I could actually see Glen getting up to speed in the first month.

More experienced playing against bigger players at a faster pace. Accustomed to the traveling.

Might have been a mid first if he didn't take the path his did.

An upgrade at SG to Price for sure as a long ball shooter, driver and passer. Quick release.

Kind of a SF/SG that will be playing SG

I posted the numbers in another thread. Here is what I found.

Give you have Okafor, Nene, Webster, it was not having Beal that was a much bigger impact then not having Wall. So having Beal insurance is HUGE. Well Glen is much better Beal insurance then Price was.

I never saw Price as insurance for Beal or a backup SG. I saw that being more Temple's role than Price's. In fact, it was Temple who started at SG when Beal went down at the end of the season. Price was pretty much strictly a PG.

[hands11]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5E_IpKjowQ

So now that the off season additions are settling into my mind I got to thinking about Glen Rice Jr again.

He could very well be a bigger immediate impact then Otto. I could actually see Glen getting up to speed in the first month.

More experienced playing against bigger players at a faster pace. Accustomed to the traveling.

Might have been a mid first if he didn't take the path his did.

An upgrade at SG to Price for sure as a long ball shooter, driver and passer. Quick release.

Kind of a SF/SG that will be playing SG

I posted the numbers in another thread. Here is what I found.

Give you have Okafor, Nene, Webster, it was not having Beal that was a much bigger impact then not having Wall. So having Beal insurance is HUGE. Well Glen is much better Beal insurance then Price was.

I never saw Price as insurance for Beal or a backup SG. I saw that being more Temple's role than Price's. In fact, it was Temple who started at SG when Beal went down at the end of the season. Price was pretty much strictly a PG.

Temple is still here so he wasn't my focus. I was talking about Price who isn't. You might not have thought of him as a SG but that is what he was much more then a PG. He was trying to learn PG. That was kind of my point and why I was talking about Glen being much more that type.

Temple wasn't on the team to start the season for one. And while Temple might have started down the stretch at SG, it wasn't to replace Beals scoring. It was because of his length, defense and all around mature approach and the fact he could play PG better then Price when needed and he wouldn't get in Walls way. Also because of rotations. They need Price as the 2nd PG, but he also played SG.

When they played Wall and Price, price was the SG. Wall averaged 36 mins down the stretch and played as much as 40 in two games. Temple and price where getting minutes down the stretch so both played SG.

Look at Prices minutes and pts down the stretch.. Average 10 shots a game in 24 minutes and average 5 3PAs

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... 0/aj-price

Temple averaged 6 FGA in 28 minutes.

It was Price that was trying to fill in for Beals shot attempts.

Two, Price was a SG that was getting converted to PG. Later in the season, Price scored better because he played more SG minutes. Neither is what I would call real Beal insurance. That was kind of my point. Glen is closer to that then Price who is now gone. Between Maynor and Glen, Maynor is the better passer then Price and Glen is hopefully the better scorer. Price is a player that was stuck between positions. Small SG trying to learn PG. Adding Maynor and Glen was a under the radar move, but it was a good upgrade for what they needed.

So I was talking about Glen because losing Beal was devastating to the team. More so then losing Wall was.

[DCZards]

Two, Price was a SG that was getting converted to PG. Later in the season, Price scored better because he played more SG minutes. Neither is what I would call real Beal insurance. That was kind of my point. Glen is closer to that then Price who is now gone. Between Maynor and Glen, Maynor is the better passer then Price and Glen is hopefully the better scorer. Price is a player that was stuck between positions. Small SG trying to learn PG. Adding Maynor and Glen was a under the radar move, but it was a good upgrade for what they needed.

So I was talking about Glen because losing Beal was devastating to the team. More so then losing Wall was.

Hands, Price may have been pressed into service as a SG for the Zards last season,but the 6-2 AJ is NOT a SG being converted to PG. Price played PG with the Pacers and he played PG at UConn. Not sure at what point in his career you thought he was a SG.

[hands11]

Two, Price was a SG that was getting converted to PG. Later in the season, Price scored better because he played more SG minutes. Neither is what I would call real Beal insurance. That was kind of my point. Glen is closer to that then Price who is now gone. Between Maynor and Glen, Maynor is the better passer then Price and Glen is hopefully the better scorer. Price is a player that was stuck between positions. Small SG trying to learn PG. Adding Maynor and Glen was a under the radar move, but it was a good upgrade for what they needed.

So I was talking about Glen because losing Beal was devastating to the team. More so then losing Wall was.

Hands, Price may have been pressed into service as a SG for the Zards last season,but the 6-2 AJ is NOT a SG being converted to PG. Price played PG with the Pacers and he played PG at UConn. Not sure at what point in his career you thought he was a SG.

Its ok. Not worth going round and round about. This has already gone to far. I was commenting about Glen Rice. That was the main point.

Price wasn't a PG that could run and offense well. I saw it. Randy commented on trying to get him better at it and he did show progress. It was clear he was better when he didn't have PG duties and instead could just shoot. Call it a shooting PG or a SG, doesn't matter. He did play with Wall some. I think most would say Wall was the primary PG in those line ups. When I said he was a SG trying to be a PG, that is what I was describing. I realize he has PG next to his position.

So how about that Glen Rice ?

[Knighthonor]

how you all liking him now?

[doclinkin]

Porter also has had the chance to develop chemistry with some of his new teammates. He played on the Wizards’ summer league team in Las Vegas and has since been working out at Verizon Center with Rice, Bradley Beal, Kevin Seraphin and John Wall. Rice expects the connection to carry over once training camp begins.

“It’s definitely good because we have to play with each other and the bond off the court definitely helps on the court, getting to know guys early before training camp,” Rice said. “They are good guys, and it definitely makes it easier because they are good guys. So if you don’t mind hanging out with guys, you don’t mind playing with them. And you actually like it.”

Love the atmosphere of hard work and constant improvement of this squad. Bunch of low-key quiet grinders, the only goofy outspoken ones are Martell and possibly Seraphin.

Wall getting a chance to learn the game of Beal, Rice and Porter is an excellent jumpstart to the season. Each offers an arsenal of weapons for his offensive battery. All give him options for a drive and kick game from various places on the floor, Beal and Rice give alley oop threats for the interior finish, all rebound well for their position.

The fact that they all are gym rats who seem to enjoy practice means they'll willingly put in the work needed to improve with no one begging them to hustle. A serious contrast to say 7Day Dray of whom Brendan Haywood once said was simultaneously "the laziest and most talented player" he'd ever seen.

90% of success is showing up. This crew shows up.

[doclinkin]

And the no frills aspect of the team strikes me as well. John Wall signed a contract worth the GDP of many countries and the only thing he wanted to spend money on (besides giving 6% of a years salary to charity) was to buy a big enough house that his mom and family could move in with him.

Otto Porter understands effort and working to earn it, literally since he had to carry a ring of keys as a school janitor to earn pocket change and get access to the gym.

And then you have the penny pinching Rice, who has likely seen players piss away fortunes, including his dad maybe. Seems like he's got NBA 'uncles' like Jalen Rose willing to give him advice and cautionary tales, and has learned his lessons well:

Rice earned just $35,000 in the D-League but plans to remain frugal after signing a rookie minimum deal with the Wizards. The players were given constant reminders about the need to save, to be cautious with spending and careful with where they invest their money.

“I don’t think I’ll have too much trouble with that, because that’s not my personality. I’m always stingy with what I have. I still have most of my D-League money,” Rice said with a laugh. “So it’s never been a problem with spending as much with some other people.”

Again a contrast from Bought Snatch Blatche whose idea of a bargain was to try to get a two-fer-the-price-of-one deal from an undercover cop.

[RollingWave]

There is a lot to like about him, he was REALLY efficient scoring wise in the D-league, it's not just flash, he had a true shooting percentage over .600 , that's James Harden territory. given that his game is all hard drive to the basket and 3s, and that he's good in transition on or off the ball, it's not hard to see why he was efficient. there are reasons to believe this can translate well in the NBA if you look at the # of guys like Danny Green and Jeremy Lin in the D-league.

Of course, you never like guys who had off court trouble in the past, but it is kind of a plus that he was able to play a clean season in the D-league and generally appears to have put the past behind him.

From a pure skills perspective, my main worry for him is on defense. offensively I think chances are he'll thrive if given the opportunity. but defensively there are some concerns as he is not an explosive guy at all, even on offense you notice his explosion usually comes after a few steps and / or going vertical, the guy is not someone who blast off his first step. and thus his lateral movement is also suspect. I doubt he can really guard 2s in the NBA that well, at least the quicker once.

On the plus side though, he did show to have little trouble banging with larger players in the paint in the D-league, and grabbed a lot of rebound and got a pretty significant amount of blocks for a wing. so I think he can be a contributor defensively, but could potentially be a problem in isolation defense. something that a better defensive scheme should be able to hide though.

I actually hope the Wiz run out some Wall / Beal / Rice / Porter / Okafur small lineup next year and see what happen, it should at least be really fun in transition. with a lot of outside shooting to give Wall Space.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Rice is a player I personally didn't want to see them draft. Bad press from his NCAA days gave me a bad vibe. I also had a bad vibe about some things I think I know about Glen Rice Sr., and his relationship with son.

I had bias against Rice Jr. and didn't want the Wizards to sign him a lot because I see how they have not done well keeping guys like Blatche, McGee, or Young in useful roles. I didn't want another Javaris Crittenton on the team. Seemed Rice Jr. had been in a car where some shooting occurred.

On draft night the Wizards drafted a guy I REALLY wanted them to draft: Nate Wolters.

Then they traded him for Glen Rice, Jr.

So, I'm hoping Rice Jr. proves me wrong. I don't feel anything one way or another about Rice Jr. being a Wizard. He can rebound and score but does he have a total game and is he a good dude, or is he a bad dude who's just saying all the right things now?

Time will tell.

[payitforward]

In all the video interviews w/ Rice I've seen since the draft, he's come off as a sincere young man who seems both motivated and humble. I don't see any "attitude" -- either on the surface or (as far as such small exposure allows) lurking behind what he says. I would almost say he seems "simple", if the word wasn't sort of half way to "simple-minded", which is not at all what I mean.

While I wish he hadn't gotten himself into such foolish trouble in college, it must be said that he has paid the price for his mistakes. Nor did he respond to difficulty by crumpling. He rose to the challenges he'd put in his own path, and he did well.

For the rest, there's nothing to say yet. He'd have been a mid-first round pick I guess, if he hadn't messed up, and that's not a guarantee of success. I don't think he has to have "a total game", to use CCJ's phrase, but he needs to be outstanding at something and good enough at the rest to hold his own. We'll see.

It's not Glen Rice's fault that we swapped Wolters (and a pick) for him. Not even if Wolters turns into a terrific pro. There's no reason to let that trade prejudice you against the kid. The trade's on Ernie not on him.

[RollingWave]

We shall see obviously, this draft is pretty weak really, even the higher lotto guys I can see plenty of them completely not working out (like them being out of the league after their rookie contract.) but I do like Rice a lot for the simple fact that of all the guys I see being that good offensively in the D-league at that age, almost all of them turned out to being able to score in the NBA as well. and if you can score in the NBA chances are you'll at least have a role.

[DCZards]

I think Rice will contribute sooner than Porter. I see Rice's NBDL experience helping him a great deal at the next level. He's also more physically mature than Porter.

I expect Otto to turn out to be a good player (hopefully worth the third pick) but I see the Zards possibly getting more production from GRII than OP next season.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think Rice will contribute sooner than Porter. I see Rice's NBDL experience helping him a great deal at the next level. He's also more physically mature than Porter.

I expect Otto to turn out to be a good player (hopefully worth the third pick) but I see the Zards possibly getting more production from GRII than OP next season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/nbd ... gl01d.html

Agreed on Rice. His stats from the D-League are exemplary. His body is more mature than Porter's. He will likely contribute on the court before Porter.

My questions are about his off the court. "Has he beat up anybody yet?" I won't divulge who asked this. (It wasnt me, but it came from someone more prescient/intuitive than I). My questions are totally about non-basketball with Rice.

[payitforward]

... "Has he beat up anybody yet?" I won't divulge who asked this. (It wasnt me, but it came from someone more prescient/intuitive than I)....

Man! How do you let yourself do that, good person that you obviously are?

If you are going to tar a kid, then find something real (not a speculative and rhetorical question) and use an explicit source (not some "prescient" unnamed person).

I know this is only an online forum, but bad karma is bad karma. Give this kid a chance.

[GhostsOfGil]

I think Rice will contribute sooner than Porter. I see Rice's NBDL experience helping him a great deal at the next level. He's also more physically mature than Porter.

I expect Otto to turn out to be a good player (hopefully worth the third pick) but I see the Zards possibly getting more production from GRII than OP next season.

I'm not sure I agree but regardless, this says a lot about Porter's "NBA readiness"

[Nivek]

I've been meaning to write about Rice over at the blog for awhile now. I ran the numbers on his D-League season, which was FAR more impressive than his college performance (which really isn't saying a lot -- his college performance was unimpressive). I'll try to get to it today or tomorrow. That said, I'd be surprised if Rice is a contributor before Porter is. D-League experience or not, Porter went third overall for a reason -- that reason being he's a better prospect. In YODA, he rated as a top 5 pick. He ought to contribute as a rookie and improve from there. If he's terrible as a rookie, it has to be considered a disappointment based on where he was picked.

[DCZards]

I've been meaning to write about Rice over at the blog for awhile now. I ran the numbers on his D-League season, which was FAR more impressive than his college performance (which really isn't saying a lot -- his college performance was unimpressive). I'll try to get to it today or tomorrow. That said, I'd be surprised if Rice is a contributor before Porter is. D-League experience or not, Porter went third overall for a reason -- that reason being he's a better prospect. In YODA, he rated as a top 5 pick. He ought to contribute as a rookie and improve from there. If he's terrible as a rookie, it has to be considered a disappointment based on where he was picked.

Nivek, I hope you're right and I'm wrong about Porter vs. Rice. I just think that Otto will need more time than Rice to get used to the speed and athleticism of NBA players. I also sensed that GRIII was playing with more confidence/swag than Porter during summer league which might carry over to the beginning of the regular season.

By saying that Rice might produce sooner than Porter I wasn't suggesting at all that Otto is going to be terrible as a rookie or that he wasn't going to end up being a better player than Rice.